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January 20, 2007 7:41:26 PM

I have not built my own PC in years... in fact I think the last PC I built was a Pentium-1. I've been buying commercial PCs since then. Now... I have a NICE bonus from work coming and have committed to myself that I no longer want to wait for 8 hours while my DVD's compress. I no longer want to live with measly 60 fps in my favorite games. I want to be near the top of the PCMark05 list! So... with all that said I have $10k. I am leaning towards dual socket quad core Xeon's...

But... I am not stuck on anything. So - professionals... let's have it... $10k budget - what would you get?

IQ1
January 20, 2007 7:58:55 PM

You can build a monster of a machine for $6,000 and then take a 3-week trip to Europe with the money left over instead........ :wink:

For 10 large, you're looking at:

-Intel Quad core
-680i SLI mobo
-4 gigs RAM
-1000w Galaxy PSU
-2 x 8800GTX (in SLI, liquid cooled)
-Silverstone TJ-07 case
-Liquid Cooling (take your pick, Phase/Nitrogen if that excites the overclocker in you)
-2x150 gig Raptors in RAID 0
-Seagate 750 gig data drive
-2 DVD-RW SATA optical drives
-30" LCD monitor
-Creative Labs X-Fi Elite Pro sound
-Klipsch 7.1 surround surround speakers
-keyboard, mouse, etc

That'll run you 10 Large no problem. But if you run into budget overruns, lower the sound card, ditch 1 DVD SATA, and go with high-end air cooling.

Or, if you want a real badazz rig with attitude built for you, give Voodoo PC a shout:
http://www.voodoopc.com/system/quotekitchen.aspx?produc...
January 20, 2007 8:14:07 PM

Am I better off with Two Xeon's or One Quad-Core?
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January 20, 2007 8:21:26 PM

I'm not too sure to be honest. From what I've read, the quad will pull down less power though, and won't need some special mobo either.
January 20, 2007 8:41:06 PM

Here is my recommendation

ASUS Striker-Extreme
Intel QX6700 (better than 2 xeons because is single cpu)
4Gb of Corsair Dominator CAS 4 PC8888 (Maybe you should also consider the NEW just released Dominator PC10000 CAS 5! Fastest Memory in the world!)
2 eVGA 8800GTX with ACS 3 in SLI
2x150Gb WD Raptors in RAID 0 (Maybe more if you need more than 300Gb of capacity, RAID 5 can be an option with more than 3 Raptors)
Seagate 750Gb hard drive SATA 3gbs (This have a lot of space, you can use it for backups or just as an auxiliary drive)
Plextor SATA DVD burner
Another Plextor (or other brand like Sony) burner but in ATA just in case
ThermalTake Armor 8004BWS (this is the side window version)
Silverstone 1000watts PSU or Enermax 1000watts PSU
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy X-fi Elite pro
Logitech Z-5500
Logitech MX Revolution
Logitech G15 gaming keyboard
Windows XP SP2 (lol)
Sony Floppy drive just in case (lol)
A BIG Dell screen or any other brand you like, maybe Sceptre or Samsung.

Also you can add as the webcam the Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision and some good neons from Xoxide

By the way, avoid OCZ memory together with ASUS, they are very incompatible

pair all of that with an expensive and good quality Water cooling system and you are getty to kick some good frames.

EDIT: Parts in Italics are the edits!
January 20, 2007 8:45:50 PM

Here is a ms word doc complete with pictures, links (some might not work anymore), and prices... with a rough total of $8000 after accessories. I put this together in December for fun... you may want to swap some things out, I just was going by my preferences... like how I have the thing air cooled with a 220 CFM 120 mm fan on the cpu.... I just can't stand an expensive rig that doesn't put out at least 45-65 db... lol. Dream
January 20, 2007 9:15:07 PM

Will the single processer give me faster MPEG2 or DIVX compression than two Xeon's?
January 20, 2007 9:18:06 PM

Quote:
I have not built my own PC in years... in fact I think the last PC I built was a Pentium-1. I've been buying commercial PCs since then. Now... I have a NICE bonus from work coming and have committed to myself that I no longer want to wait for 8 hours while my DVD's compress. I no longer want to live with measly 60 fps in my favorite games. I want to be near the top of the PCMark05 list! So... with all that said I have $10k. I am leaning towards dual socket quad core Xeon's...

But... I am not stuck on anything. So - professionals... let's have it... $10k budget - what would you get?

IQ1
Don't bother with dual socket Xeons if you want to be anywhere near the top of the 3DMark06 as no dual socket Xeon board supports SLI/Crossfire.
January 20, 2007 9:21:59 PM

I have edited my last post with italics to let him know what I have just found nice for his system
January 20, 2007 9:37:36 PM

Are you trying to spend every bit of $10k or is it that it just so happens to be your budget because you can put a nice rig together for half of that.
January 20, 2007 9:43:44 PM

I would probably buy a mac pro, upgrade grfx, hd, mem, etc, throw away the mouse, keep the keyboard. Install my OS.
January 20, 2007 9:47:24 PM

I'm not trying to spend every bit of the $10k... I get my bonus from work and the agreement with my wife is that she can spend $10k on furniture and I can spend $10k on a new computer... I love to play games on my PC but I have an XBox 360 mostly for that. I use Softimage, Photoshop, 3D Studio.... I constantly have to convert DIVX to DVD or vice-versa (friends wants copies of stuff, etc.)... I really want a PC that I don't have to wait for. I also have two cable modems and DSL on a load-balancing router... I can get the contect quick enough - processing it sucks. So I guess what I am saying is that I am not a huge gamer but will play games once in a while. I'm looking for better multi-tasking speed, video compression/manipulation, photo editing, rar extraction, qpar recovery, etc. Frankly... I am just tired of waiting for my PC... The biggest thing I am stuck on is Two Dual Core Xeon's or a Single Processer with SLI/Crossfire...
January 20, 2007 9:51:34 PM

listen

A XEON MOTHERBOARD WONT GIVE YOU THE BEST GAMING PLATFORM

with that said, you should have in mind that getting a Xeon, will be your worse dissapointment.

NOW

if you still want a xeon, buy a system similar as the one I have mentioned to you above but with the Xeon 3060 which is an E6600 but renamed as a Xeon (as you love them so much), is $10 extra, but with $10k, you can afford a faster model, just make sure you get a Xeon in the LGA775.
January 20, 2007 10:02:53 PM

If I had that kind of a budget for a rig I'd put most of it into equipment that won't depreciate exponentially in value from the time it's purchased till the time it arrives at your doorstep (I.E. Audio Equip, speakers, a nice 2+ LCD setup)

Besides, you can usually stay on the competitive edge (versus the bleeding edge) for 1/3-1/2 the cost, and use the remaining $$ on an annual upgrade path.

Unless you get one of those bonuses every year :lol: 

That's my 0.02 USD / 0.015 EUR
January 20, 2007 10:03:20 PM

You might wanna go with the QX6700. Do some research on it. You won't be disappointed. With that, the only thing you'll be upgrading in awhile will be the bios.
January 20, 2007 10:09:32 PM

Wow. $10K!? You can build a dream car with a dream pc in it.

Okay, if you want gaming then, don't go for the server configuration.

QX6700
2x1Gb Corsair Dominator DDR2 1111
Asus Striker
2x8800GTX BFG
2x150GB Raptor for raid 0
X-Fi Fatal1ty
1K watts PSU Tagan w/ 4xPCI-e cable

You can find most of the parts above from Newegg, TigerDirect and Zipzoomfly.

Case:

Vapochill Lian Li

CPU cooler:

Vapochill Lightspeed

Overclock that cpu to the max with this phase change cooler, and with SLI 8800GTX you can play any games at big screen HD monitor at silky smooth performance.
January 20, 2007 10:33:42 PM

I dunno, Ninja says that they are just better batches of Core 2 Duos. I trust him. It makes sense that they are, and since they are they should have comparable or slightly better performance than standard Cores.
-cm
January 20, 2007 10:35:40 PM

I'm not trying to talk you out of your $10000 budget...but spread it around a little. Spend $5000 this year, $2500 next year, and $2500 the year after that.

I think that after three years, the $10000 computer won't even come close to the computer you upgrade every year.

Also, the method I'm suggesting does not apply to the monitor. Buy a nice one and you'll enjoy it for many years.
January 20, 2007 10:38:56 PM

Well, let me tell you something. I though also that the Xeon 3060 was the perfect choice, but then I realized something.

Ok Pros

1) Use less voltage
2) overheats less
3) Is a xeon, designed for heavy duty tasks

As far as I know, they are not overclocking well in some situations. Xtremsystems.org made a good overclock, but not everybody have gone that far. (as far as I know)
January 20, 2007 11:48:56 PM

Slim's recommendation is pretty on-target for an ultimate system. With this budget, I'd either get quad Raptors in RAID 10 or an external RAS array instead of the ancillary Seagate 750. And I don't care for the look of the armor case so I'd do something else there. But he's specced a great system for you. For the monitor, wait a few weeks and the new 3007WFP-HC should be available from Dell.

Unless you are really going to push the O/C though, you'll see the same general performance for a lot less. There is no reason to spend more than $5K unless you really just enjoy playing inside the box.

Quote:
Here is my recommendation

ASUS Striker-Extreme
Intel QX6700 (better than 2 xeons because is single cpu)
4Gb of Corsair Dominator CAS 4 PC8888 (Maybe you should also consider the NEW JUST RELEASED PC10000 CAS 5! Fastest Memory in the world)
2 eVGA 8800GTX with ACS 3 in SLI
2x150Gb WD Raptors in RAID 0
Seagate 750Gb hard drive Sata 3gbs
Plextor SATA DVD burner
Another Plextor (or other brand like Sony) burner but in ATA just in case
ThermalTake Armor 8004BWS (this is the side window version)
Silverstone 1000watts PSU or Enermax 1000watts PSU
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy X-fi Elite pro
Logitech Z-5500
Logitech MX Revolution
Logitech G15 gaming keyboard
Windows XP SP2 (lol)
Sony Floppy drive just in case (lol)
A BIG Dell screen or any other brand you like, maybe Sceptre or Samsung.

Also you can add as the webcam the Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision and some good neons from Xoxide

pair all of that with an expensive and good quality Water cooling system and you are getty to kick some good frames.

EDIT: Parts in Italics are the edits!
January 21, 2007 12:20:55 AM

You're begging me to put together my dream PC... so here goes!

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 - $985
EVGA NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX - $250
2 x G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-pin DDR2 SD-RAM, DDR2-800 (PC2-6400), Dual-channel Kit - $600 each, $1200 total
XCLIO A380 Silver Computer Case - $105
(BFG Tech PhysX Processing Unit - $206)
5 x Western Digital Raptor X 150GB 10,000RPM SATA-150 Hard Drive - $230 each, $1150 total
2 x EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI-Express HDCP Video Card - $580 each, $1160 total
XCLIO Greatpower X14S4P4, 750-watt Power Supply - $160
3 x Acer AL2423Wdr Silver/Black 24" 6ms GTS DVI-D LCD Monitor, Widescreen - $630 each, $1890 total
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 Channels PCI Sound Card - $260
Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speakers - $430
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition SP2B w/ Upgrade coupon for Vista (OEM) - $140

I'd add a Killer-NIC but I don't believe they are worth $250 when you can do a double-gigabyte LAN onboard, and also you won't have space for it on the motherboard.

Basic stats of that system...
C2E Q6700
nForce 680i chipset
8GB PC2-6400 (DDR2 800)
600GB of 10,000rpm hard-drive space on RAID5
PhysX PPU
GeForce 8800GTX in SLI
650-watt power supply
3 24" widescreen monitors
7.1 Sound System, 700-watts



That system would run you a pretty-penny. Could you spare about 10% of it for a system for me? :lol: 
If you got that system and overclocked it a bit, you'd probably have one of the most powerful systems as of Feburary 1st - when Vista is released. You will eventually be able to use all 8GB of that memory with WinVista-you can currently use only 2GB with WinXP.
January 21, 2007 12:42:13 AM

$10,000 will pay for a lot of machine that anything but customized applications (especially with Windows as the operating system) simply won't ever utilize. It'd be great for bragging rights, but you could hit a performance roof for gaming, audio and video work for half the price.
January 21, 2007 12:50:18 AM

Quote:
I have not built my own PC in years... in fact I think the last PC I built was a Pentium-1. I've been buying commercial PCs since then. Now... I have a NICE bonus from work coming and have committed to myself that I no longer want to wait for 8 hours while my DVD's compress. I no longer want to live with measly 60 fps in my favorite games. I want to be near the top of the PCMark05 list! So... with all that said I have $10k. I am leaning towards dual socket quad core Xeon's...

But... I am not stuck on anything. So - professionals... let's have it... $10k budget - what would you get?

IQ1


Hmm... now here's the thing: dual-socket mobos are great as far as the performance boost they can give you when you're multi-threading like you do. On the other hand here's a problem: gaming. Until gaming engines become multi-threaded anything more than dual-core will probably be overkill.

Honestly, which one do you put more emphasis on, gaming or multi-threading like photoshop or maya?
January 21, 2007 1:44:18 AM

More emphasis on multi-threading...!
January 21, 2007 2:03:41 AM

Hmm... in that case I'd say at least go for a Core 2 Quad... but you'll be able to game with a dual-xeon setup. I'd highly recommend a dual 5160 setup with at LEAST 4 gigs of FB-DIMM 667MHz (that's what I'm using and it's working quite well). Couple that with a great hdd setup (definitely get a dedicated RAID controller and a bunch of hdds), a great GPU, and a nice OS, and you'll have a KICK@$$ system.
January 21, 2007 2:30:38 AM

Quote:
You're begging me to put together my dream PC... so here goes!

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 - $985
EVGA NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX - $250
2 x G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-pin DDR2 SD-RAM, DDR2-800 (PC2-6400), Dual-channel Kit - $600 each, $1200 total
XCLIO A380 Silver Computer Case - $105
(BFG Tech PhysX Processing Unit - $206)
5 x Western Digital Raptor X 150GB 10,000RPM SATA-150 Hard Drive - $230 each, $1150 total
2 x EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI-Express HDCP Video Card - $580 each, $1160 total
XCLIO Greatpower X14S4P4, 750-watt Power Supply - $160
3 x Acer AL2423Wdr Silver/Black 24" 6ms GTS DVI-D LCD Monitor, Widescreen - $630 each, $1890 total
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 Channels PCI Sound Card - $260
Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speakers - $430
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition SP2B w/ Upgrade coupon for Vista (OEM) - $140

I'd add a Killer-NIC but I don't believe they are worth $250 when you can do a double-gigabyte LAN onboard, and also you won't have space for it on the motherboard.

Basic stats of that system...
C2E Q6700
nForce 680i chipset
8GB PC2-6400 (DDR2 800)
600GB of 10,000rpm hard-drive space on RAID5
PhysX PPU
GeForce 8800GTX in SLI
650-watt power supply
3 24" widescreen monitors
7.1 Sound System, 700-watts



That system would run you a pretty-penny. Could you spare about 10% of it for a system for me? :lol: 
If you got that system and overclocked it a bit, you'd probably have one of the most powerful systems as of Feburary 1st - when Vista is released. You will eventually be able to use all 8GB of that memory with WinVista-you can currently use only 2GB with WinXP.


Why the heck would he need the failure Ageia PhysX card when the NVIDIA is coming out soon?

Also, added some new edit to my post
January 21, 2007 2:33:09 AM

Quote:
Here is my recommendation

ASUS Striker-Extreme
Intel QX6700 (better than 2 xeons because is single cpu)
4Gb of Corsair Dominator CAS 4 PC8888 (Maybe you should also consider the NEW just released Dominator PC10000 CAS 5! Fastest Memory in the world!)
2 eVGA 8800GTX with ACS 3 in SLI
2x150Gb WD Raptors in RAID 0 (Maybe more if you need more than 300Gb of capacity, RAID 5 can be an option with more than 3 Raptors)
Seagate 750Gb hard drive SATA 3gbs (This have a lot of space, you can use it for backups or just as an auxiliary drive)
Plextor SATA DVD burner
Another Plextor (or other brand like Sony) burner but in ATA just in case
ThermalTake Armor 8004BWS (this is the side window version)
Silverstone 1000watts PSU or Enermax 1000watts PSU
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy X-fi Elite pro
Logitech Z-5500
Logitech MX Revolution
Logitech G15 gaming keyboard
Windows XP SP2 (lol)
Sony Floppy drive just in case (lol)
A BIG Dell screen or any other brand you like, maybe Sceptre or Samsung.

Also you can add as the webcam the Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision and some good neons from Xoxide

By the way, avoid OCZ memory together with ASUS, they are very incompatible

pair all of that with an expensive and good quality Water cooling system and you are getty to kick some good frames.

EDIT: Parts in Italics are the edits!


I think this is the best you can get right now, 8Gb would just be a waste of money so with 4Gb (Thats alot) would be enough even with Vista and Vista Revolution.

Was just kidding with Vista Revolution
January 21, 2007 2:57:04 AM

Quote:
I'm not trying to spend every bit of the $10k... I get my bonus from work and the agreement with my wife is that she can spend $10k on furniture and I can spend $10k on a new computer... I love to play games on my PC but I have an XBox 360 mostly for that. I use Softimage, Photoshop, 3D Studio.... I constantly have to convert DIVX to DVD or vice-versa (friends wants copies of stuff, etc.)... I really want a PC that I don't have to wait for. I also have two cable modems and DSL on a load-balancing router... I can get the contect quick enough - processing it sucks. So I guess what I am saying is that I am not a huge gamer but will play games once in a while. I'm looking for better multi-tasking speed, video compression/manipulation, photo editing, rar extraction, qpar recovery, etc. Frankly... I am just tired of waiting for my PC... The biggest thing I am stuck on is Two Dual Core Xeon's or a Single Processer with SLI/Crossfire...


#1 Thing people haven't told you is that hard drive speeds bottle neck comp speed for compression/video editing/etc. If you are serious about working with large files, you need a serious way of dealing with large files.

I'd recommend getting 4 RAPTORS in a RAID0. RAID5 is slow for a filesystem; its best used for storage redundancy and speed. RAID0 is where its at for pure speed.

If you are really serious about video editing then you'd look at a PCIE controller card with 8 or 12 ports and get an 8 drive RAID0. This would fucking scream. You could backup a DVD in like 50 seconds. (SEE HD TACH FORUMS)

Also, quad core is your best bet. You could look at a multiple opteron rig, but the mobo will be really expensive and wont support SLI or Xfire.

Get:

Intel quad-core
4GB Corsair Dominator Ram
A PCI-E controller card
8 SATA2 hard drives (RAID O)
Asus Mobo
2x 8800GTX in SLI
Big ass powersupply
Water Cool the whole thing

-Alex
January 21, 2007 3:16:12 AM

Why do you think I said for 2 or 3 Raptors get RAID 0 and for more than 3 an option would be RAID 5, because if for any reason, if he has a RAID 0 of 5 raptors and 1 fails, then its over.
January 21, 2007 4:58:58 AM

Would anyone suggest the new Abit IN9-32Max for a MB in a high end system. iq1 - you may want to check out this for your main board. I'm trying to figure out how to justify this board for my next build.
January 21, 2007 7:15:24 AM

Ok...

You've all sold me on the QX6700... does anyone know the upgrade plan? Like will there be a new processor in a month or so? Here is where I get stuck... so let's vote:

Which mobo - Asus Striker or eVGA 680i
Should I go with the eVGA 8800GTX's?
Liquid or Phase Change Cooling? Where will OCing get me?
SAS Cheetah's or SATA Raptors? Raid 0 only way to go IMO - probably 4 drives
Going with the Corsair Dominator
Going with 1000 watts PS

So looks like we're getting close...

IQ1
January 21, 2007 7:24:08 AM

Striker
yes on eVGA 8800GTXs
Liquid (non-conductive)
4 anything in RAID 0 is suicidal. get a dedicated raid 5 controller. and if you do that, you might as well go sas. so cheetah, but raid 5, not 0
January 21, 2007 1:00:16 PM

Could he go for the bfg liquid-cooled 8800GTXs instead since they're already pre-made for liquid cooling?

Also: @ OP.

Def go cheetahs for the RAID config and yes, you WILL notice a difference, believe me, 15k rpms is quite nice. Now, are there any SAS controllers you were looking at? For the drives I'd say just stick with around 147GB max and just get a bunch to get a HUGE array.
January 21, 2007 2:34:37 PM

Quote:
Ok...

You've all sold me on the QX6700... does anyone know the upgrade plan? Like will there be a new processor in a month or so? Here is where I get stuck... so let's vote:

Which mobo - Asus Striker or eVGA 680i
Should I go with the eVGA 8800GTX's?
Liquid or Phase Change Cooling? Where will OCing get me?
SAS Cheetah's or SATA Raptors? Raid 0 only way to go IMO - probably 4 drives
Going with the Corsair Dominator
Going with 1000 watts PS

So looks like we're getting close...

IQ1


As john said

go for the striker

yes go for the evga 8800 gtx (acs3 version recommended)
liquid cooling, get a good one and will make your overclocking results so high, you will die

Remember if you go RAID 0 with 4 drives and in any case a failure happens, its over so if you are going with more than 2 drives I recommend RAID 5. I would go for the Raptors, but since you can afford cheetahs, go for them.

As I said, RAID 0 might give you a headache after you get a failure (if any) so go for RAID 5
January 21, 2007 3:41:10 PM

I withdraw parts of my setup. I'd change it to a deticated SCSI RAID5 controller; put in a few 15k rpm drives. No PhysX card; that'll be covered when they start offloading physics to the second 8800GTX. I would still recommend the case from XCLIO; two 25cm fans will move alot of air, and it would likely be more quiet then even liquid-cooling, with similar effects.

If you want an excellent overclock, remember to get A/C in your house if you havent already. There are some of us who don't have it.

Anyways I'd say liquid-cooling if you want to, though monster-aircooling would be quite efficent as well. Both would be unreal for cooling.
January 21, 2007 3:43:42 PM

If he wants air cooling, he can get....

Zalman 9700LED or NT
Tuniq Tower 120
Scythe Ninja Rev. B

Those are good ones even though I recommend water cooling since he has money to spend on it.
January 21, 2007 4:08:02 PM

Have you considered buying something nice for your wife instead? That might get you more pleasure than a 10k PC. :wink:
-cm
January 21, 2007 4:24:50 PM

Quote:
Have you considered buying something nice for your wife instead? That might get you more pleasure than a 10k PC. :wink:
-cm


Let me guess. Single? :lol: 
January 21, 2007 4:30:56 PM

Quote:
So - professionals... let's have it... $10k budget - what would you get?IQ1


stop fooling around and get 16 cores -
January 21, 2007 4:32:08 PM

Me or him? I figured if he has a job where he's getting a 10k bonus, chances are he's married. Marrying people is fashionable these days.

I'm sure as hell not married. I'm still in school.
-cm
January 21, 2007 4:38:52 PM

I'm being serious. He should really do something else. Get a 2000$ PC and use the money to work on the house, etc.
-cm
January 21, 2007 4:41:49 PM

I’ve been dreaming of building that Ultimate PC for months now and I’d like to advise you to do plenty of research. Since PC’s became interesting again, I subscribed to Maximum PC and CPU Power User and I try to pick up the PC Gamer specials on Hardware and building PC’s. Here’s what I’ve learned from what I remember.

There are a few new technologies still to be released effecting computer builds.
PCI 2.0 - http://www.techspot.com/news/24094-pci-express-20-standard-released.html
GDDR 4 – ATI adopted GDDR 4 with it’s last DirectX 9 Graphics card, and even though I swore I would go with Nvidea the next time I upgraded, it wouldn’t surprise me if the new ATI DirectX 10 graphics cards didn’t blow the Nvidea cards out of the water. The ATI or R60 cards are also said to support PCI 2.0
LG announced at the Consumer Electronics show this month a soon to be released LG GGW-H10N Super Multi Blue SATA drive that is compatible with Blu-ray Disc, DVD, CD read/write and HD-DVD-ROM (read).
And
Lite-On announced a 20x DVD-RW Serial ATA Burner with 12X DVD-RAM Write and I’m sure a Lightscribe capable version is planed as well.
I also read somewhere that Ageia is working to improve its PhysX cards.

• As for the build, I’ve about talked myself into buying the new DELL H2C PC because of the price, features and the amazing Liquid/Phase cooling and it’s glowing review.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_XPS_710_H2C/4505-3118_7-32305739.html

• I also looked at the Apple MAC Pro as well. I like that it can be upgraded with up to 16 GB of memory and I absolutely love the Apple 30 inch Cinema HD.


But If I built, here’s what I’ve looked when thinking I’d go with NVIDEA Graphics.

Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme processor QX6700, quad 2.66GHz cores, 8MB L2 Cache
ENERMAX GALAXY EGA1000EWL "because it is a modular 1000watt power supply."
Either ASUS Striker Extreme "because it seems to have tested best and I like the bling of the light up board, but then again it also has a riser sound card that permanently sacrifices a PCI slot. So either the Stryker board or the
EVGA-LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI Board. It has the full 7 PCI slots instead of 6.
2x Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drives in raid 0
Areca ARC-1210 PCI-Express x 8 SATA II RAID Controller Card (Just like with a sound card, I’ve read that using a Raid controller card delivers better performance than onboard raid, but a raid controller card isn’t a must have. A RAID Controller card comes standard on all Velocity Micro built high end gaming systems.)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 750GB SATAII Hard Drive (for data storage)
2x BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXWC25E GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card (water cooled) in SLi. It Frees up 2 PCI Slots.
Some kind of Multimedia TV or HDTV Tuner:
• ATI Theater™ 650 PRO or ATI TV Wonder 650
• Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 MCE
• The Vista View Saber 2020
• DVICO Fusion 5 HDTV tuner
• Kworld ATSC-110 HDTV/Analog Tuner Card
(I really just want to watch TV on my PC, but it might be nice to record HD movies or shows, I’m not sure which would be best.)

Physics Processor 128mb Asus® AGEIA™ PhysX™ Processor (I like ASUS because of the larger fan)
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series sound card
Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC
LG GGW-H10N Super Multi Blue SATA drive compatible with Blu-ray Disc, DVD, CD read/write and HD-DVD-ROM (read), (Not available yet, but I’d want it for both Blu-ray and HD disk playability)
LITE-ON LH-20A1S Black Super AllWrite drive 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache support for Serial ATA Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology (I know it hasn’t been announced to have Lightscribe, but I’m sure one will be)
LITE-ON Black 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 1.5MB Cache SATA Combo Drive (Only for the quick CD burning speed)
Koutech IO-FPM220 3.5" Floppy Drive & Multi Card Reader
CORSAIR Dominator XMS2-10000 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 Dominator Series Memory with DHX technology ($649.0 each set, comes with Dominator Airflow Fan for maximum thermal transfer)
CORSAIR Dominator XMS2-10000 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 Dominator Series Memory with DHX technology (same as above)
Internal Cables Rounded Silver Braided IDE and Floppy Cables
Blue UV Cabling w/ UV Lights or Blue Cabling w/ Blue Lights

Keyboard Logitech® Cordless Desktop MX™ 3000 Laser -Keyboard & Mouse –Charcoal
BenQ FP241W Black 24" 16ms (6ms GTG) DVI Widescreen HDMI LCD Monitor $799.99
Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speaker $429.99

Microtek ScanMaker i800 Pro Design with DIGITAL ICE Flatbed Scanner
Canon Pixma Pro9500 Large Format Printer
Canon Digital Rebel XTi 10.1 MP camera

You'll notice I didn't decide on a case. The case and cooling are tough descisions. But in regard to cooling, I did run accross this site.
http://www.coolitsystems.com/
and Puget Systems also builds some nice but expensive water cooled systems.
http://www.pugetsystems.com/configliquid.php?sys_id=71
January 21, 2007 4:46:37 PM

So do you think he's actually going to build this PC or is it a hoax thread?
-cm
January 21, 2007 5:13:27 PM

I will tell you that it is not a Hoax thread at all. As for the gentleman that said I should buy something nice for my wife - she already gets $10k herself. And to those that said I should do something for the house - its not that I disagree but I want the computer. Not sure what proof any of you need but I work at corporate for one of the big box retailer companies in sourcing. We had a banner year. I could push my budget to $15k if I wanted. I really am going to build this thing and when I do I will come back to this thread and post pictures. Everybody has been so helpful.

On a few review sites the EVGA motherboard got better rankings than the striker... also - the guys at Voodoo seem to really love the X1950's in Crossfire.

To the guy that said I should go with 16 cores - I'm not sure I disagree. Problem is I'd either have to run Linux or Windows Server R3... since R3 is based on Windows 2000 - doesn't seem to me that I'll get the best bang for my buck. Lastly - how the hell would I water cool 16 cores in that tiny form factor anyway? And could you even overclock the Xeon's? And would that help any...

In addition - the X1950's let you use the GPU for video compression - wouldn't that speed up some of my projects?

To the guy that said Raid 0 with four drives is a disaster - not if I only use it for Apps and use my Buffalo terastation for my final media storage...

I looked at the Dell H2C - I think that is their response to the Gateway Factory OC'd system. I dunno - feel like a weenie buying an OC'd system from the straights at Dell.

Lets continue...
January 21, 2007 5:22:37 PM

Umm... "those people" were all me.
You should still go somewhere nice for dinner or something.

Good luck with the build then, you're the envy of everyone else in the forumz.
-cm
January 21, 2007 5:36:19 PM

With $3000 I would make my dream machine :roll:
January 21, 2007 5:45:26 PM

wow this sounds like the biggest waste of money ever. you can build a totally sweet system for 5k. and please tell me that if you do spend 10k thats its cash you have and your not putting it on credit cause that would be retarded
January 21, 2007 6:12:48 PM

Don't buy the X1950 yet. Wait till the new ATi cards come out next month with DirectX 10. If your not buying DirectX 10, then your not really upgrading much.
January 21, 2007 6:26:42 PM

Unlimited budget? Dreaming outloud here:

- Asus Striker Extreme
- 2x BFG GeForce 8800GTX Watercooled Edition
- Intel Core 2 QX6700
- 2x Corsair TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF (PC-10000 2x1GB > total 4GB)
- 2x Plextor PX-760SA
- 12x Western Digital Raptor 150GB
- Areca ARC-1231ML (+ 2GB DDR2-533)
- Lian Li PC-V2000BplusII
- Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty
- BFG PhysX 128P
- Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W
- Asetek Waterchill Xtreme Kit (With triple radiator)

For various cables and other mod material I recommend some stuff from AC Ryan.
You'll need to do some modding to fit that water cooling kit inside the case.
If you don't want to do that , Asetek also has thesame case with the kit pre-installed. (At an extreme price however)
Reason you need the watercooled video cards is that you need all the slots on the motherboard.
The watercooled versions only take up a single slot and leave the slot next to it useable.
You could also use a Vapochill on the CPU but you'll still need a watercooling loop for the videocards tho.

Most people in this thread simply hang the HD's right off the motherboard.
If you use a professional SATA RAID controller however you get:
- A dedicated RAID processor
- A dedicated cache for the HD's
The Areca ARC-1231ML can support a 2GB cache and its processor can do +700MB/sec.
Most motherboard RAID engines can only achieve half that and have no cache at all. (Or they steal it from the main RAM)

This config will probably go over your 10K budget but you'll make your friends turn green with envy if you show up on a LAN with this thing.

[EDIT] jlaavenger - It seems we think alike. I didn't read your post before posting this. :p 
January 21, 2007 6:32:15 PM

Do the 8800's have drivers to support them in SLI yet??
-cm
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