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I've never built a system, but have changed PS, cards and memory etc. I'm concerned not only about the parts I choose, but also if I'm able to test and optimize when I'm up and running.
I wil be using this processor primarily for photography, often manipulating files as large as 1 gb each in Photoshop. I also use the UnrealEditor and hope to get into Maya and 3DStudioMax...that's why my interest is towards the latest 3d cards and multitasking capability.
I have shopped the Canadian online stores as well as local shops and can put together the following for about $5400.00 cdn, without monitor.
If you have any advice concerning specific parts and choices, I would really appreciate that.
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-Thermaltake Kandalf VA9000 SWA1, or the Extreme Edition VA 9004 SWA
* I prefer to not go with Liquid Cooling...concerned about up-keep & expense.
-Intel Core2 Extreme QX6700 Quad Core Processor
-Asus Striker Extreme 680i LGA775 Conroe ATX DDR2
- Dual (4G) Corsair XMS2 Twin 8500CSD, DD2-1066, CL5-5-5-15-2T
OR Corsair XMS2 Dominator 8888, CL-4-4-4-12
-Corsair Dominator Airflow Memory Fan
-BFG GeForce 8800 GTX 575MHZ 768MB OR the same 8800 GTXoc
* Unsure of MFG. Asus/EVGA/BFG/XFX/Leadtek ???? I like the BFG warranty! It's been suggested that I should get an Asus card because the Motherboard is Asus. True?
(I'll be adding a second Video card when the prices drop.)
-Zalman CNPS9700NT fan-
-Enermax Galaxy 1000W PS (Is there a better 1000w unit available?)
- (2)Seagate Barracuda ES 500GB Sata2 3GB/s 7200RPM 16MB CacheNCQ
* I'm interested in Raid 5 but don't know how to set up for that.
Currently I back up manually to two Seagate external drives
-Plextor PX-755SA 16X8X16 DVD-RW 16X, 16X6X16 DL 10X/6X CDRW, 48X24X48Sata
-Sound Blaster X-FI Platinum 24 BIT Sound card
-LogitechG15 Keyboard OR Logitech Dinovo Edge (I'm not going wireless.)
-Logitech G5 Mouse
-D-Link Xtreme N Gigabit Router
-XP Pro
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I'm tempted to have someone build this for me, but I would like the experience. I will be wishing for good-luck if I try this myself! :mrgreen:

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So it's serious work, you want stability. I'd highly suggest you get a mature motherboard such as ASUS P5B-DELUXE, GIGABYTE DQ6, INTEL D975XBX OR D975XBX2.

No, it's not true that ASUS video must run on ASUS board. You can run an Ati card on an nVidia chipset motherboard i.e. 570/590/680i. However, you can't run Ati Crossfire on an SLI mobo & vice versa.

When you power on the pc with the e1000w, the room lights dim & you feel the power of the psu. j/k. It does dim in my room.

If you haven't built a pc by yourself, you should not risk this $5000 build. Pay $50-100 to a coworker/friend to build it for you. Follow up with them after it's built on any issues you run into.

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Wow that system will scream. I suggest the P5B Deluxe, I have it along with an E6600 and it's great.

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Akhilles,

Yes...serious work for this rig, and stability is important. I thought from what I've heard that the QX-6700 and the 680i ran smoothly together without issues. I am new to this however so appreciate your caution. I'll check into the other Motherboards you mention. I suppose that if I were to go with say a P5B, I would need to select different memory.
I also appreciate your suggestion to have a friend/builder put this together...I can see myself stuck over basic issues and problems not knowing the quick fixes etc.
Crossfire...Is there a mod available for the configuration I listed?
Thanks for the help...appreciated!!

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Quazzy,

You are also suggesting the Asus P5B...what's the difference performance wise in comparison to the 680i? Will the P5B match up well with the QX-6700? Sorry if this is obvious...I'm very new to all this.
Thanks!!!

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No problem, I was new at this too, but am kind of getting it now. :) Well, personally I don't know performance-wise, but I can tell you the P5B Deluxe is a mature and strong mobo. I would check the motherboard forum, specifically the ASUS one.

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what kind of beast is your video card?!

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Here's a link to the power supply listings. The one you have chosen is marked as a Tier One power supply. It can't get much better than that! :D
However, there is an ever so slightly better power supply in the PC Power and Cooling PSU. Which is here. Unfortunately, its also $200 more, so I would just stay with what you have! :lol:

Best of Luck

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Thanks Quazzy!!

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Enewmen,

I'll be running one of the 8800 GTX cards...not sure which one yet. Looking at BFG, XFX and Asus.

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Sirrobin,

I agree, that $200.00 for a slightly better PS doesn't make sense. The Enermax is more than I originally set out to get and I'm sure it will do the job.
Thanks for the info and link...much appreciated!!

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[quote="akhilles"]So it's serious work, you want stability. I'd highly suggest you get a mature motherboard such as ASUS P5B-DELUXE, GIGABYTE DQ6, INTEL D975XBX OR D975XBX2.

Akhilles,
I checked out the boards you've mentioned and noticed some excellent reports about stability and OC etc with the Intel D975XBX2. It is likely going to be my choice now, because I certainly don't want any stability problems. I'll be busy enough without having to troubleshoot issues with the Extreme 680i and I'll not want to be waiting for fixes that may not develop for some time. I'll keep checking to see if any new patches show improvements, but I'll be buying soon and so might have to pass on the 680i.
Your suggestion is an important one...thanks again!!!!

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Glad to be of help.

QX6700 or any cpu per se has no issues. 680i is the one that has some issues for some people. I'm sure there are some technies with the same setup & 0 issues. Well, they're technies.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.as [...] %20Extreme

The memory is ok. You can find compatibile ram at corsair site:

http://www.corsairmemory.com/

In the middle of the homepage, there are 2 drop-down menus. These are P5B-DX memory modules.

CM2X1024-5400C4 DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 1GB 4-4-4-12-2T
CM2X1024-6400 DDR2-800 (XM2S-6400) 1GB 5-5-5-15-2T
CM2X1024-6400PRO DDR2-800 (XM2S-6400) 1GB 5-5-5-15-2T
CM2X512-5400C4 DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 512MB 4-4-4-12-2T
CM2X512-5400C4PRO DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 512MB 4-4-4-12-2T
CM2X512A-6400 DDR2-800 (XM2S-6400) 512MB 5-5-5-15-2T
TWIN2X1024-5400C4 DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 1GB Kit (2 x 512MB) 4-4-4-12-2T
TWIN2X1024-5400C4PRO DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 1GB Kit (2 x 512MB) 4-4-4-12-2T
TWIN2X1024-8500 DDR2-1066 (XM2S-8500) 1GB Kit (2 x 512MB) 5-5-5-15-2T
TWIN2X1024A-6400 DDR2-800 (XM2S-6400) 1GB Kit (2 x 512MB) 5-5-5-15-2T
TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF DDR2-1250 (XMS2-10000) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 5-5-5-18-2T
TWIN2X2048-5400C4 DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12-2T
TWIN2X2048-5400C4PRO DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12-2T
TWIN2X2048-5400C4PT DDR2-675 (XM2S-5400C4) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12-2T
TWIN2X2048-6400 DDR2-800 (XM2S-6400) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 5-5-5-15-2T
TWIN2X2048-6400C4D DDR2-800 C4 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12-2T
TWIN2X2048-6400PRO DDR2-800 (XM2S-6400) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 5-5-5-15-2T
TWIN2X2048-8500C5 DDR2-1066 (XM2S-8500) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 5-5-5-15-2T
TWIN2X2048-8500C5D DDR2-1066 (XM2S-8500) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 5-5-5-15-2T
TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF DDR2-1111 (XMS2-8888) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12-2T
TWIN2XP2048-6400C4 TWIN2XP2048-6400C4 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12-2T
VS1GB533D2 DDR2-533 (PC2-4200) 1GB 4-4-4-12-2T
VS1GB667D2 DDR2-667 (PC2-5300) 1GB 5-5-5-15-2T
VS1GBKIT533D2 DDR2-533 (PC2-4200) 1GB Kit (2 x 512MB) 4-4-4-12-2T
VS1GBKIT667D2 DDR2-667 (PC2-5300) 1GB Kit (2 x 512MB) 5-5-5-15-2T
VS256MB533D2 DDR2-533 (PC2-4200) 256MB 4-4-4-12-2T
VS2GBKIT533D2 DDR2-533 (PC2-4200) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12-2T
VS2GBKIT667D2 DDR2-667 (PC2-5300) 2GB Kit (2 x 1GB) 5-5-5-15-2T
VS512MB667D2 DDR2-667 (PC2-5300) 512MB 5-5-5-15-2T
VS512MBKIT533D2 DDR2-533 (PC2-4200) 512MB Kit (2 x 256MB) 4-4-4-12-2T

I'm not a big fan of Ati or Crossfire. Can't help you with that. This guy was able to do just that.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=97691

Your 8800 is a nVidia card. It won't run in CF. only in SLI. There is a modified geforce driver for running SLI on non-SLI mobos. I've run it successfully with 2 7900gtx's on DQ6.

One thing about modded drivers is that they're always not up to date & may be discontinued any time the developers deem fit.

http://www.google.com/search?clien [...] 8&oe=utf-8

This guy runs SLI on Ati mobo. Just proved what I said above.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] stcount=29

Intel D975XBX2 is a very good board. I would've bought it if my DQ6 wasn't a deal. It's codenamed Bad Axe 2.

At stock speeds, the P965 mobos perform about the same. Give or take 5%. Some mobo makers cheat by increasing the FSB or CPU by a few mhz so they look good on benchmarks. However, it's the board's overclockability that makes a big difference. Most of these boards can do FSB 500mhz with the right parts.

So QX6700 has a multiplier 10 & the default C2D FSB is 266. The default cpu speed is 10 x 266 = 2.6 Ghz. 10 x 500 = 5000 or 5 Ghz overclocked vs 2.66Ghz stock. With the cpu cooler & the case you chose, I think it can handle the heat. Perhaps, try 3.5 - 4.0 Ghz, just to be safe.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/1 [...] age17.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/1 [...] page5.html

QX6700 is ok with P5B-DX.

http://support.asus.com/cpusupport [...] B%20Deluxe

Core 2 Extreme QX6700 (4 cores,2.66GHz,1066FSB,L2:2X4MB,rev.B3) ALL 0711

Ask the store to confirm that the bios is 0711 or later.

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The 680i is a GREAT motherboard... it overclocks like MAD!

If you want to go SLI then I suggest a board that will in fact allow you to go SLI.

Why not get the best that is available if you can afford it.

Thats what I was after, and I use the GIMP which is a source version of Photoshop.

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Akhilles,

Thanks very much once again for taking so much time to help me!! I'm pleased to have the links you've provided because being new to all this means I don't know where I should be looking for info etc.
I didn't realize the XBX2 isn't an SLI board. :oops: That option may not be important for me, especially given the capability of the BadAX. However, I guess it is tempting to go for the 680i so as to have that option with ongoing driver support.

You mention the case I chose (Kandalf)...is this a good choice with enough room or should I be looking at something else?
Is there anything I'm missing in the way of parts? I will order the cooling fans for the 8800. Also, I see that the BFG card comes in a version that is water cooled. Is that done with an outboard cooling system,....and should I consider that?

I appreciate the heads up about the Bios 0711!

This is quite the forum...sure glad I happened on it.
Thank you!!!

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PCAnalyst,

Looking at your setup I see you're running pretty much what I'm after. Have you had issues with the 680i? And I will check into the CoolerMaster Stacker as well as your case. Is there anything else you suggest I add on?
I agree with you that one should get the latest if it's affordable. I am not trying to save money on the board...there isn't a great digfference price wise. I am not tech savey so want to have a system that doesn't require daily fiddling and tweaking etc., although i'm not shy to learn how to optimise the system.
I wanted to ask if there was a reason why you've gone with eVGA. I am confused by all the various manufacturers.

Thanks for your reply!!

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01-23-2007 at 02:13:28 AM