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January 22, 2007 9:14:01 PM

To date I've been experimenting with one Powercolor X1950 Pro AGP on a number of platforms, i.e. any combinations of the following:
- Motherboards:
Abit AV8
Gigabyte Ga-K8U-939
Asus A8V-deluxe
- CPUs
Amd64 3000+
Amd64 3500+
Amd64x2 4400+
- PSU
450W, 28A on 12v
500W, 30A on 12v
600W, dual rail 20A on 12V1 + 18A on 12V2

And the consistent answer has been random crashes in the first pass of running 3dMark03 or 3dMark 05. Sometimes it is a crash to desktop other times it is a hard system lockup, sometimes requiring pulling the plug since the hardware reset doesn't work sometimes, and it is unpredictable when it crashes, but it has never finished a 3dMark03 or 3dMark05 test run before crashing.

I've tried a number of combinations of 4x/8x, fast write off/on, boosting the AGP voltage, and none of them seemed to matter. I was hoping to obselete and replace a 6600GT or 6800GT, but as of now I've had to RMA
the board.

Has anyone seen behavior like this on their x1950 pro AGP?

Thanks.
January 22, 2007 9:25:17 PM

yeah there are alot of posts here about the x1950 pro going crazy. Its a case of some component not being upto scratch.


the only way to fix it will have to be to send this card back and get another one.
January 22, 2007 11:00:43 PM

Is it just that I'm unlucky, or is it that ATI lets all these board manufacturers and OEMs have lower standards?

Because I had to go through this 15 months ago with the X850xt on my Gigabyte board, which took a couple tries to get stable. And then going back 2.5 years ago, I had the same kind of problems with the 9800xt on a Socket A system. Random crashes lock up etc. This x1950 pro is particularly bad, less 10 min before crashing, although it was more tiresome to find a crash after 3 hours of testing, and to consistently reproduce it.

Why doesn't ATI stuff just work like my 6800gt? Or the silent passively cooled 7600gs in my Shuttle G5 HTPC? Heck, that little thing is even doing a passable job on Company of Heroes.

The question is, should I bother to try again with any ATI board? Perhaps it is time just to go PCI-E and Core 2 Duo and stick with nVidia.
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January 22, 2007 11:27:05 PM

I'd say you've just had plain old bad luck. The majority of the cards I've owned were ATI, and I never had any problems. I'd RMA it and try again.
January 23, 2007 5:20:53 AM

I've got the same model in PCI-e. Has stability issues, too.
This is also the first time I've used an ATi card, needless to say, it will be my last. :wink:
January 23, 2007 12:05:53 PM

Quote:
I'd say you've just had plain old bad luck. The majority of the cards I've owned were ATI, and I never had any problems. I'd RMA it and try again.


yeah, my last 3 cards were ati and they all worked fine. I had 1 nvidia in between but didnt like the image quality in game compared with the ati ones, so i switched back.
January 23, 2007 3:50:05 PM

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This is also the first time I've used an ATi card, needless to say, it will be my last. :wink:


ok... :roll:
January 23, 2007 5:05:02 PM

If I were to try again, how long do you all reckon I should wait for the problem to be sorted out by ATI and the various board manufacturers?

More importantly, is it a known problem that they are trying to keep hush-hush and trying to fix and getting the right components out, or is it something they haven't even figured out yet and have not decided what to do?
January 23, 2007 6:15:47 PM

My 1950 pro works fine - no problems at all, other than I hate the "Catalyst Control Center" and don't install it. Are you sure you're installing your AGP driver and DirectX?
January 23, 2007 7:29:48 PM

Hello Muffin,

Canyou tell me what motherboard, x1950pro manufacturer, and PSU you are using? Thanks.

BTW, I do install the AGP drivers for the motherboard, and I do install the DX9c the August 2006 release. I tried the latest of everything, and I've tried the "golden sample" ones, i.e. the ones that worked stably on my x850xt and 6800gt, and in all cases I get random crashes and lockup somewhere in the middle of the 3dMark testing. I didn't even bother to try any games, because it would be a major waste of time to the other players have it crash in the middle of an online match in Company of Heroes or Call of Duty 2, and get people pissed off.
January 23, 2007 9:25:19 PM

A lot of the problems with these cards seem to be caused by overheating of the VRMs (Voltage Regulator Modules). See these links: Silent PC Review forum and Sapphire tech support forum

Although most of the references talk about the Sapphire cards the problem occurs with other cards as well.
January 23, 2007 11:48:26 PM

Have you connected the two molex connector to the AGP card? Most people only attach 1 molex.

I have the gecube x1950p agp for almost a month now and have no issues (besides screen flicker/refreshing everytime NWN2 loads a new area).

My System:
AXP 3000+ (Barton)
GA-7N400Pro2 Rev 2
2x 256 Mb PC 2700
Enlight 400w (15A on 12v rail!!!)

I have a concern with my low amperage on 12v rail, but as for now I can't afford another 80 bucks for a new PSU, maybe next month.
January 30, 2007 2:24:59 AM

I also have a Powercolor x1950 AGP card and have been having problems with it.

I have now tried it on two different builds and it is consistently crashing in World of Warcraft. I've checked everything else (Memtest 86 - no problem; Prime95 - no problem) - everything is pointing to the card.

What happens is that after a short amount of gameplay the screen goes blank and my monitor loses it's video signal. I'm forced to do a hard reboot.

I don't have any problems in 2D desktop work.

I will try running 3D mark and see what happens.

Hopefully I don't have any hassle RMA'ing it.
January 30, 2007 1:00:21 PM

Thanks Kutter.

That is exactly the symptoms I've seen with it. I don't know if for a fact the VRM component on these boards are bad or not, or if they just lack adequate cooling/heatsinks on them. But from researching this thing, that seems to be most common recognized source for this problem. It also seem to apply to some PCI-Express version of this thing too, and across a range of makes.
January 30, 2007 1:55:28 PM

I have the GeCube version which has only presented a problem with Serious Sam 2 (previous post) in that the Greendale demo does not play smoothly. I have not had any other problems.
I played Quake 4 from start to finish over the xmas period without problems at 1600/1200 with high details. Just completed 2 play throughs of Starship Troopers same. I'm now in the middle of Cold War not as taxing for graphics and still OK.

Day to day stuff fine.

The only thing to consider is to make sure you have removed all drivers, I used DriverCleaner, and make sure you go through safe mode to zap everything before you attempt to install the new one. I would also perform cold boots in between stages.

Otherwise you have a duff GPU.
January 31, 2007 2:29:16 AM

Update:

After going through the forums at www.worldofwarcraft.com I found that there were a lot of people having problems with x1950 cards. I made the decision to RMA my x1950 Pro and return it for refund.

I picked up a BFG 7950 GT OC today and installed it. Happily I play 2.5 hours of WoW tonight without a single crash or issue.

I clearly had an issue running on the ATI card - whether the card was bad or it was a driver issue - I'm not sure - but my guess is that the problem was the hardware itself.
January 31, 2007 1:58:44 PM

Quote:
Update:

After going through the forums at www.worldofwarcraft.com I found that there were a lot of people having problems with x1950 cards. I made the decision to RMA my x1950 Pro and return it for refund.

I picked up a BFG 7950 GT OC today and installed it. Happily I play 2.5 hours of WoW tonight without a single crash or issue.

I clearly had an issue running on the ATI card - whether the card was bad or it was a driver issue - I'm not sure - but my guess is that the problem was the hardware itself.


Glad to hear you are up and running now. Just wondering how you could return an X1950Pro AGP card and replace it with a 7950 GT PCIe card without any other changes? Do you have an asrock mobo or are the x1950 problems occurring on both interfaces? 8O
February 4, 2007 5:20:32 PM

I have Gecube RADEON X1950 PRO, 256MB GDDR 3, AGP 8X Edition and for two days now, I cant manage to make it work.
After I install ATI catalyst drivers I reboot and after I make the desktop resolution 1024x768 @85 or 100 Hz, I cant acess catalyst control centers section with 3D settings.(the moving car in a road )
It always crashes catalyst C.C and give me an error message.
And after the first reboot after the driver instalation 5 out of 6 times I cant boot to windows to the log in screen.It restarts the pc with a blue screen or freezes it, the blue screen says something about an error with ati2dvag.
The card works fine only with the standard VGA windows xp drivers.
I tryied Gecube's drivers and the last catalyst 7.1 drivers, but still tha same.
Could it be a driver issue? Like a conflict with my old ati 9800 pro or 9250 drivers?
Could it be a power issue? I have a 480W tagan Power supply unit and it has 28A on 12v.
I returned the Gecube X1950 pro AGP back to the store, they test it and they said it had a problem and gave me a new one
I formated, and after a fresh install of win xp and all the updates and dx9c, I cant acces Catalyst control center's 3D settings, with this new one X1950 pro AGP.
When it tryies to render the 3d car on the road in the preview window, it gives me a blank window with an error message from windows with the directx sign, titled "windowed preview application" and asks to send the problem to microsoft with Error signature :
AppName: preview.exe
AppVer: 1.0.0.4
ModName: atioglxx.dll
ModVer: 6.14.10.6287
Offset: 000e1258
And the other thing is that if you search the words " x1950 reboot crash" on google, you will find thousands of forum posts all over the world, with unhappy people with x1950, that they are returning those cards and replace them with nvidia more stable ones.
I don't think that there is a problem with the PSU's, the problem is that x1950 pro's suck major.
Where is ati drivers crew to fix something, is anybody home??
My pc has :
Winxp, Athlon XP 2800+, tagan psu 480W, two dvd recorders, two HD drives.
February 5, 2007 9:37:46 AM

mhtsaras as you state you have the GeCube version, which is what I have (see previous post) however you state your PSU has 28A on the 12V rail. This is the problem. The user manual for the 1950 Pro from Gecube states you need at least a 450W supply with 30A on the 12V rail.

I upgrade my suppy to the Seasonic 550W S12 with 41A on the 12V rail and have not suffered any problems with booting or crashes.

Make sure you use the supplied 2 4-pin molex to 1 6-pin PCI Express converter and put the molex on two different lines.

I have checked my 3DMark05/06 scores and they are inline with others whether they have AGP or PCI Express.

I would definitely say it is your PSU.
February 5, 2007 7:17:52 PM

Hey Jack,

Do you play Company of Heroes on your x1950 pro agp? Or anyone else for that matter, do you experience random lock-ups and hangs when running CoH with the x1950 pro agp or even pci-e for that matter?

I am also seeing this kind of behavior on my another of my systems, running the x850 xt. My other machines using nVidia seems to a whole lot more stable than the ones running ATI concerning CoH?

I was wondering if anyone else can confirm or deny this?

Thanks.
February 5, 2007 8:24:03 PM

I know that the manual says that 450W, and 30A on 12v rail needed, but usualy those specs are the highest to have you covered with many power hungry harware and usualy all the hardware can work with lower amps and/or voltage.
In many pc stores they give 500-600W PSUs, with 18-24A on the 12v rail, to give power to the more power hungry chip of NVIDIA G80 and 8800 gr.cards.but usualy they have 2 x 12v rails(2 x 20A =40A ???)
On the other hand, x1950 pro is based on RV570 which is more power efficient, and in many forums, x1950 owners, stated that they can work with lower than 30A on the 12v rail.
If the x1950 cards can't work with lower ampere than 30 on the 12v rail, then all the boxes should have it printed in fornt for the people to know, not printed in a manual inside the box so you must buy it first.
We should all send e-mails with complains to the comitee which sopports the consumers that they are try to cover some facts, like the need of special PSU with spesific specs and not any PSU.
Buying a >30A on 12v PSU I need 110-150 euros + 210 euros X1950 = 340 euros total cost for a graphic card upgrade.
I can save the extra PSU money for a 2008 DX10 buy and pc upgrade.
The one thing that makes me believe that this is not a power only problem, is that once I manage to boot on WinXP, the only problem that I have is that Catalyst control center can't render the 3d settings (the moving car on a road) and crashes with out causing problems to pc.
And the boot crash hapens when windows try to load the driver and the hardware mouse pointer, the card stop sending signal to the monitor which goes on standby mode. A driver conflict?
February 5, 2007 8:30:05 PM

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Glad to hear you are up and running now. Just wondering how you could return an X1950Pro AGP card and replace it with a 7950 GT PCIe card without any other changes? Do you have an asrock mobo or are the x1950 problems occurring on both interfaces? 8O


Nice try at being a sarcastic moron, but he's not the original poster of the thread, so maybe his 1950 Pro isn't AGP, he just said he had a 1950Pro and it had problems, but maybe he misquoted the AGP part of it.
Instead of trying to pick holes in people's 1950 Pro problems, how about addressing the issue head strong?

Anyway, a lot of people are having problems with the 1950Pro.

What I think is the real issue is that the 1950Pro is a high maintenance hot girlfriend. She's great in bed but you better have the best things in life or she'll dump you.

The 1950Pro AGP makes this even more of an issue.

The sad thing is, the 1950Pro AGP is considerably more than the PCI-E version, and when you factor in having to upgrade your power-supply and buying stand-alone cooling, you end up spending more than the advertised and gloated "$220 for high-end performance" that 1950Pro users boast about.

It ends up being a better option to ditch the AGP set up, and spend money on a PCI-E motherboard set up with a 7900GS.

The 1950XT and 1900XT and 1900GT etc are all great cards, so please don't associate the mixed results of a 1950 Pro's stability with those cards. I'm running a lot of games, even WoW on my 256MB 1950XT and I haven't had any stability issues what-so-ever.
February 6, 2007 1:04:02 PM

S4fun: I haven't looked at COH as yet. The only one of the limited number of titles I have tried since upgrading that has shown a problem is Serious Same 2. I am going to reinstall it this coming weekend. I will also look at some of my other titles that benefit from a good GPU such as FEAR. Will provide update after.

mhtsaras: Yours does sound like a software conflict. Did you have any problems during your install of ATI drivers and CCC? I had to disable Zonealarm to get mine to install fully. I have had mine up and running for over a month now - no crashes and no problems with CCC. The important aspect of the PSU is the total Amp on the 12V rail and how you spread your use of it. That is why I mentioned it.

NamelessMC: I would say lack of information in letting people know that they may need a new PSU to run the card is at fault. I did some reading on PSU's before I got my card and was aware I may require a new one. The supplied manual confirmed it so I got Seasonic 550W and have no problems. Yes it made the upgrade more costly but still a lot cheaper than buying a new system which if I went that route it would be DX10, etc and as such you are talking £1500 plus easy. definitely not worth doing at this time. Looking to go Vista/DX10 ten some point in 2008.
February 6, 2007 4:29:17 PM

I would argue that including the cost the PSU as part of the upgrade is questionable, given that you'll probably need a new PSU for a new system or even just switching to a PCI-E board with an equivalent mid-to-high end video card, especially if your starting point was some 300-350w 18A PSU. The PSU will need an upgrade either way.

So at $200-$250 for the AGP x1950 pro compared to a $175-$225 PCI-E version the delta of $25 give or take is really not enough to cover the PCI-E motherboard and the hassle of reinstalling all software and such. Additionally, if I were to switch to PCI-E at this point, I'd trickle down all of my socket 939 parts to the other systems and go straight to Core 2 Duo, which means costs spike up to cover motherboard, memory, and processor.

And out of pure cussed-ness, I don't think we should have to switch to PCI-E just because the industry wants us to. We should only have to switch on our own terms. My 4400+ x2 is still good for another two years as my main machine and then it will still be good as hand-me-downs to the other machines, and similarily the x1950 pro will find to a new role in a couple of years.
February 6, 2007 7:53:33 PM

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Glad to hear you are up and running now. Just wondering how you could return an X1950Pro AGP card and replace it with a 7950 GT PCIe card without any other changes? Do you have an asrock mobo or are the x1950 problems occurring on both interfaces? 8O


Nice try at being a sarcastic moron, but he's not the original poster of the thread, so maybe his 1950 Pro isn't AGP, he just said he had a 1950Pro and it had problems, but maybe he misquoted the AGP part of it.
Instead of trying to pick holes in people's 1950 Pro problems, how about addressing the issue head strong?

Anyway, a lot of people are having problems with the 1950Pro.

What I think is the real issue is that the 1950Pro is a high maintenance hot girlfriend. She's great in bed but you better have the best things in life or she'll dump you.

The 1950Pro AGP makes this even more of an issue.

The sad thing is, the 1950Pro AGP is considerably more than the PCI-E version, and when you factor in having to upgrade your power-supply and buying stand-alone cooling, you end up spending more than the advertised and gloated "$220 for high-end performance" that 1950Pro users boast about.

It ends up being a better option to ditch the AGP set up, and spend money on a PCI-E motherboard set up with a 7900GS.

The 1950XT and 1900XT and 1900GT etc are all great cards, so please don't associate the mixed results of a 1950 Pro's stability with those cards. I'm running a lot of games, even WoW on my 256MB 1950XT and I haven't had any stability issues what-so-ever.
Way to come up with the worst case scenario when judging and entire line of cards. I have an X1950Pro AGP and have had zero problems with it, and since I bought the HIS IceQ version, for $229, it's idle at 35C, so it's nice and cool. Even if you had to upgrade to a new PSU, I only paid $50 for mine and it works perfectly, along with powering 3 case fans and and an overclocked CPU. Don't be so quick to jump on the PCI-E train or condemn the X1950 Pro.
a b U Graphics card
February 7, 2007 1:28:47 AM

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I also have a Powercolor x1950 AGP card and have been having problems with it.

I have now tried it on two different builds and it is consistently crashing in World of Warcraft. I've checked everything else (Memtest 86 - no problem; Prime95 - no problem) - everything is pointing to the card.

What happens is that after a short amount of gameplay the screen goes blank and my monitor loses it's video signal. I'm forced to do a hard reboot.

I have the pci-e version of that same card. Same problems but in oblivion. Sometimes reboots itself too. Thought it was my psu since its only got a single 18A 12V rail but another guy here has only 15A! The powercolor (non-extreme) uses the same cooler as the sapphire so likely has the same problems. Maybe I should RMA my card and get a 7900gs instead... save $50 and less psu strain.
February 7, 2007 2:07:02 AM

Welcome to the wonderful world of ATI!
I started a thread about a month ago about our problem. http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam...
So far, I've tried: X1950 PRO 256/512 AGP Visiontek, Diamond, Sapphire, and the latest, HIM and nothing's changed, no signal output after 10 mins to start, but it decreases with each reboot, leading me to believe in the heat theory. Interestingly, it's fine in 2D, using the win drivers, but as soon as I load the ATI drivers it takes a dump.
Just for grins, I'm going to try it in another build this week and see what happens, (4 RMA's anyone?) in the meantime I'll suffer with my 7800GS. : (

3.2 P4/Asus P4V8X-MX/2GB Corsair XMS/750W Thermaltake....
a b U Graphics card
February 7, 2007 2:15:02 AM

Dont bag ATI, this is the only ATI Ive EVER had a problem with. I remember my geforce 4 ti4400, it got so hot that the HS burned my hand several times. And what a HS it was... look at this (bottom of the page):

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=35

That HS goes round the whole card like a casing.
February 8, 2007 12:17:01 PM

MaxLagG: What drivers are you installing. I have used the 1950PRO specific driver package which you should get with your card. ATI also post a link to this on the Catalyst 7.1 download page.

It could be driver issue. I played Cnstantine on Sunday for 12 hrs plus without problems - 1600*1200 and high settings.

I have not had any shutdowns or failures. My card is quiet and cool no matter what I throw at it.
February 8, 2007 1:29:15 PM

JustJack:
I always do a clean install, downloading the X1950 driver from the AMD/ATI website and using Drive Cleaner Pro.

I gave up, RMAing the AGP card and ordering a ASRock 775DUAL-VSTA, a 3.4 Dual Core, and a HIS X1950 PRO 512 PCIe with the Ice Q fan.
If the PCIe card goes south, I guess I'll go Nvidia.

Really wanted to wait a year, but FSX is unplayable with my 3.2 P4 & GS7800.

Cheers
April 20, 2007 4:09:46 PM

Hello all, I seem to have the same problem with the Gecube 1950XT AGP graphics card my dad just bought. I installed the latest ATI 7.4 drivers but the card just seems unstable. As soon as I run 3dmark 03, it crashes everytime bringing the system to a halt. I have to power off and back on again to restart the computer. My dads comp is a Amd 64 3000, 1.5gb of mem and a corsair 520w psu with three 18a 12v rails which is surely enough power.

My dad only uses his comp for email and surfing the net so I thought I would swap it for my geforce 6800le :D  Unfortunately it's also unstable on my system which is a Asrock 4core, Core duo e6300. 2gb OCZ DDR2800 mem and a corsair 520w PSU. Again as soon as I run 3dmark 03 or any other game it just brings the system to a halt. Looks like this card will have to be returned. Oh well I guess I'll have to put up with my geforce 6 le until I can afford to upgrade.

I'm thinking about getting a geforce 8800 GTS 640mb card, but I've heard that it doesn't work under winxp on the asrock 4core dual or Asrock 775Dual VSTA. Can anyone confirm this. Is there any driver available that would allow me to get this card working under windows xp. I know it supposedly works under vista x64, but I dont currently have Vista at the moment.

take care
kindred
:D 
April 20, 2007 5:38:45 PM

I've done thorough testing with three AGP X1950 PROs, A sapphire 512mb card, a Powercolor 256 and a Diamond Viper 256. All three were in shrink wrapped retail boxes when I got 'em, so no cherrry picking.

I haven't experienced an issue with any of the three. I should mention I'm using an Ultra 550w PSU with a real strong 12v rail - 28 amps if I remember correctly.

not to say there aren't problems with some of the cards out there, just thoguht I'd offer my experience.
April 20, 2007 7:59:04 PM

I gave up and went to PCI-e, neccessating a complete rebuild. Wanted to wait until Penryn, but pulled the trigger anyway. Just for grins, I went with a HIS X1950 PRO PCI-e for a month without problems, leaving me to wonder if it was a mobo compatability issue. I ended up with a 768 GTX8800 only because FSX is a memory hog and was unplayable with the PRO.
a b U Graphics card
April 21, 2007 12:48:49 AM

The money some people have...
April 24, 2007 12:11:16 AM

I got a HIS X1950 512MB AGP turbo. Its very stable (w/ a PC Power & Cooling 750w with 60 amp rail!). When I first installed it, it was a little quirky. I did a clean install of the drivers than came with it, and haven't had a problem. I run Prey, FEAR, and others, maxed out. GPU has never gone about 49 degrees. It seems to like the drivers from the CD better than the ones currently available on both HIS' and ATI's websites. Don't know why...
April 24, 2007 10:54:39 AM

Quote:
I got a HIS X1950 512MB AGP turbo. Its very stable (w/ a PC Power & Cooling 750w with 60 amp rail!). When I first installed it, it was a little quirky. I did a clean install of the drivers than came with it, and haven't had a problem. I run Prey, FEAR, and others, maxed out. GPU has never gone about 49 degrees. It seems to like the drivers from the CD better than the ones currently available on both HIS' and ATI's websites. Don't know why...


Somewhere I read that AMD/ATI had problems with the latest Catalyst drivers.
April 24, 2007 11:36:08 PM

Yeah, they made my card act "quirky." In the second test (forest) of 3DMark06, the screen would get corrupted. The only fix was to reboot. I did a clean install of the CD drivers (and removed my ATI TV Wonder Card), and its only happened once since (oddly with 3DMark05). It never happens while playing games.

I've written to HIS, but they never responded.
a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2007 8:34:55 AM

Sounds like gigabyte, ask them something and they get back to you 2 months later when you've forgotten that you asked them anything at all.
April 26, 2007 8:28:37 PM

My ATI X1950Pro 256mb PCI-E is doing the same things, i basically cant play any 3D games or it just dies. Hangs, crashes, screen goes blank. Originally i thought it was vista but i recently installed XP Pro which is way more stable. But the same problems with video. I have a Xion 600watt PSU with plenty of juice for this system. I spent weeks troubleshooting this system and verified memory and cpu stress tested to hell. Everything else is completely stable in my system but the video in 3D games. I tried just the ATI driver and ATI Tray tools with the same results. Im getting a RMA sent to me now so im hoping this will be fixed next week.
April 27, 2007 1:06:52 AM

I've used original ATI cards since the first All-in-wonder. I had a problem with the AIW 9700 version after about 6 months and replaced it at the store since ATI makes you jump through hoops for an RMA. The replacement worked fine and is still working. The AIW 9800 version was fine for about 2 years, but again ATI was a pain to get an RMA from. Finally I got a Sapphiretech x1600, it getting decent reviews. It did run hot and I had to tighten down the heatsink for it to run stable. After 6 months I got no video. And tech support? I placed 2 tickets with no response. None...
I can't even post on their forums even though I verified my email.

So, while I liked the image quality of ATI's products I will no longer be buying them. And none from Sapphiretech neither.
May 3, 2007 12:46:42 AM

I had real problems running my new HIS X1950 IceQ3 Turbo card. I searched and considered a lot of possible solutions. I knew it couldn't be power (I have a Corsair HX620W supply) and was pretty sure the heatsinks and IceQ3 cooler was doing fine to keep the GPU cool, so I was originally thinking driver problems, though the latest Catalyst install (8.291) still caused problems.

I eventually was able to try the card on another system and figure out what the problem was.

If you are having trouble with X1950 and are using an all-in-one chipset, you may be suffering from overheat of the chipset. I have an NForce2 Mobo (Abit AN7) that I passively cool the NB of with an oversize heatsink. After finding the card was fine in another system I disabled onboard sound and installed an old (Fortissimo III 7.1) PCI sound card that I had spare and all my problems went away.

The overheating chipset makes some sense, since all-in-one chipsets have a hell of a lot of work to do running the AGP bus to feed the X1950 AND run network , sound, disk etc. I expect it never worked so hard with the Radeon 9800 Pro that I replaced.

Another observation - the other system I tried the card on only had a 380W PSU and barely made the 12V power supply suggested in the manual, but it worked perfectly well so PSU may not be such a problem.

Also, there has been a lot of mention around forums about the voltage converters overheating, but this is not a problem with the HIS IceQ3 due to the large Heatsink covering the memory and convertors.

Hope this helps some folks!

By the way, the symptoms I was getting were problems in 3D games, ranging from instantaneous reboots, games hanging and BSOD "Stop Errors". Desktop was fine, but my theory is that bandwidth usage of the card for 2D is minimal, so not a problem for the chipset to push over the AGP bus.
May 4, 2007 1:32:42 PM

Quote:
Welcome to the wonderful world of ATI!
I started a thread about a month ago about our problem. http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam...
So far, I've tried: X1950 PRO 256/512 AGP Visiontek, Diamond, Sapphire, and the latest, HIM and nothing's changed, no signal output after 10 mins to start, but it decreases with each reboot, leading me to believe in the heat theory. Interestingly, it's fine in 2D, using the win drivers, but as soon as I load the ATI drivers it takes a dump.
Just for grins, I'm going to try it in another build this week and see what happens, (4 RMA's anyone?) in the meantime I'll suffer with my 7800GS. : (

3.2 P4/Asus P4V8X-MX/2GB Corsair XMS/750W Thermaltake....


lol, i only ever bought one x1950 pro (by sapphire) and for the last 5 months its run better than i expected. Extremely stable as far as i can tell. No problems what so ever on any game (UT2004, BF2142, COD2, Rainbow six vegas, GRAW, Oblivion, C&C3, Tomb raider legend, Need for speed carbon to name some) To top it off im only running it on a 380 watt (22amp on +12v rail) psu.

Im guessing its a batch of them or something.
May 4, 2007 1:58:31 PM

I replace, y 9800XT with the Sapphire X1950 PRO 512MB AGP. At the beginning I had problems with:


1. The booting logo was multi-color and with distortion, as soon the windows logo appears no problem at all.

2. 3dmark06 has distortion in the right corner and below. In 3 tests I only have a blank screen.

3. If I try to over clock the screen start blinking (I am using the 7.4 driver to over clock). If I over clock the minimum I still have the problem.

At the beginning I thought that was a power supply issues. But I was able to play game with any problems, some times I start loading the game and the game just close (it say that is a problem with the memory)

Anyway, I format my computer, update my bios, and install a new fresh XP in my system. Then I install the newer Catalyst 7.4, then try 3d mark 06 and I have the same problem, I went to the web site and they have Updates for the 3d marks of certain years, I update and my problem improve but is was there, what I did I use the defaults settings of the catalyst and try the program again, and the problem went away.


OK what is going on? At the end I found that I have to disable the “Alternate pixel something” that is one of the option of the catalyst under 3D environment” is the one that is on top of the OPEN GL box.

As soon I disable this, all the issues went away. “Except the sistortion in the logo of my bios”

Any way I am sure that most of the issue will be resolve in the next catalyst. “I hope “

The card was I good upgrade from my 9800XT

Hope this info helps


My system spec :
May 10, 2007 6:27:39 PM

Hi all, thanks for this post... I also am having problems with black screen appearing after playing certain games on my PowerColor X1950 PRO AGP.

My power supply is a Coolmax CX-450B with 17A on +12V1 and 16A on +12V2. Max. Combined Wattage on the +12V side is 360W (30A).

I have set the bios to 4X AGP since when I first powered it up at AGP 8X (yes, my AGP drivers are the latest) after installing it I had all kinds of random wierdness with black screens, blue screens, flashing four quarters of the video screen stuff... and after I set it to 4X AGP that went away. I thought I was ok until I started playing my games.

I had thought that my power supply was underpowered before I found this thread but now am wondering if it's a heat issue.

With that information would you go after a new power supply or after the heat issues? Does my power supply look marginal or ok?
May 10, 2007 6:31:00 PM

PSU seems fine. Could be a heat issue. My chipset was overheating, thus causing problems which I thought were related to my X1950Pro, but were solved after I disabled my onboard sound and stuck an 80mm fan in the front and added another in the back.
May 10, 2007 8:00:37 PM

the x1950pro is a great performer but unfortunately some of them are having heat problems due to the vrm. my previous Asus 1950pro had some trouble with reboots and freezes and i just put a fan above the vrm and it was stable for a month (after that i sold it because i loved the card and bought his big brother wich is even better :D  )

so: it`s a GREAT performer and IF you are having problems : COOL IT! that's all..... or at least make sure you have some GOOD airflow in your case.
May 10, 2007 11:08:53 PM

Hi all, I had similar problems with my HIS X1950PRO IcQ3 Turbo. A game could be fine for half an hour, sometimes something like Half-Life 2: Lost Coast could become severely corrupt in a matter of seconds. I tried re-installs, all different Catalysts, Omega drivers, everything. I found out that my card was getting hot, and once the x1950 pro hits 55-60c, they re prone to locking. I used ATI Tray Tools to control the cooler fan accordingly, which seemed to slightly delay the problem - at least now I was able to exit the games, though to get back to a proper uncorrupted desktop meant a reboot.

I was in the middle of having upgraded from a s939 Athlon AGP to the AM2 PIC-E, so this caused major upheaval. I ripped all the new parts out until I had a definite plan of action to follow.

It was then I looked at GPU Review, which showed that ATI's reference speed for the video memory was 690Mhz (1380 DDR), whereas my card's memory speed was factory-clocked to 770Mhz (1.54 DDR). I found the newest version of ATI Tray Tools, which let me adjust the memory speed - without locking - down to 700 Mhz, and everything's been fine since.

MORALS:
1. Read the small print - i.e. specifications may vary.
2. ATI's reference specifications were probably fine, but the card manufacturers, in an attempt to out-do each other, will overclock the cards past what is advisable to try and whoo us with big numbers.

P.S. I hope what's in this post might help others like myself.
May 10, 2007 11:57:28 PM

My powercolor X1950 AGP is working just swimmingly ... until I try to wake from S3 suspend. That's when I get a black screen of death. Used to be a blue screen, with MS's diagnostic saying it was the video driver thread stuck, but then I upgraded catalyst and now it simply spins the CPU for good without the courtesy of a bluescreen, or any screen at all. Seems pretty "stuck" to me still, neh? Doesn't happen when booted to VGA mode, so I can definitely point the finger at the ati driver or at least some interaction involving it.
June 11, 2007 6:24:16 PM

Anyone here having problems with HIS? I like their card well enough, but I am finding I do not like the company and will never purchase from them again. Every email I have sent to them requesting technical support has gone unanswered. Also, they sent me the wrong game (their cards come with a coupon for a free game). They use an outside company for this. I emailed that company about the problem. Their response was that I have to call them. Call them. They want me to make a transatlantic telephone call to solve what should be a simple problem. That will cost more than the game is even worth. I emailed HIS about this, and again, not response. I should have gone with my first impulse and bought a diamond (or even a sapphire).

Sigh.
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