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Proposed C2D System - Opinions/advice Please?

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January 23, 2007 3:58:40 PM

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Core 2 Duo System:

Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 Mid-Tower
[may upgrade case - this seems inadequate ...]

PSU: (Haven’t decided yet: probably 500-600W PSU) - recommendations requested!

Mobo: ASUS P5B Deluxe
-or-
MSI P965 Platinum
-or-
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 - mild OC

Ram: CORSAIR XMS2 DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)

GPU: GeForce 7900GS
-or-
ATI Radeon X1650PRO

HDD: 2 X Seagate Barracuda 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB

Cache SATA 3.0Gb


Cooling: (Fans) 1 -Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E 120mm (rear

exhaust)

2 - VANTEC SF8025L 80mm (front and side

intake)


(CPU) ZALMAN CNPS7700-CU 120mm

Optical
Drive: LITE-ON SATA Optical Burner CD/DVD

+/-,etc.


*Cheap/adequate Floppy Drive*

Cables: Whatever is needed.

Monitor: 20" Dell Flat Panel

LCD



Would appreciate any/all suggestions/recommendations/feed-back, etc. :D 
January 23, 2007 6:42:38 PM

Come on guys - a little help (advice) here ... please?
a b B Homebuilt system
January 23, 2007 7:27:05 PM

Note the folowing warning (specific to the ASUS):

Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets

If it applies, be sure to get RAM that runs at 1.8V. That Corsair doesn't.
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January 23, 2007 7:39:46 PM

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If it applies, be sure to get RAM that runs at 1.8V. That Corsair doesn't.


JumpingJack (CPU section) - gave me that RAM advice. He's running it in his ASUS P5B Deluxe system right now - said it worked great. But, I'll double check - thanks.
January 23, 2007 8:02:47 PM

Taco, any PSU recommendation? I'm all over the place on this item 8O
January 23, 2007 9:03:43 PM

I'll think about the SCEPTRE Widescreen LCD - $200 is $200 bucks. But, I love that Dell - seen it, love it.

I won't ever be running dual graphic cards - just not that important to me. So crossfire and SLI are not in the picture for me.

I'm still undecided on PSU - but the more recommendations, the better - I've narrowed it down from hundreds to 4-5 or so ... :lol: 

Edit: I like this Fortron Source 450w - for the money, it's got great amps on the 12v rails. And I think it would be adequate for the modest system I'm contemplating. You think?
January 23, 2007 9:35:13 PM

I don´t know what gaming king you want, but those two choices are very different.
So: 7900gs>7600gt>7600gs ddr3>x1650xt>x1650pro

help me helping you :) 
January 23, 2007 9:42:07 PM

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I don´t know what gaming king you want, but those two choices are very different.
So: 7900gs>7600gt>7600gs ddr3>x1650xt>x1650pro

help me helping you :) 


I liked the 7900GS ... had a friend tell me he loves the 1650PRO (512 memory & DDR2) ... I'm not a big gamer - so, my default would go to the 7900GS I guess.

Your thoughts? What's a gaming king? (I don't think I'd be one ... lol)
January 23, 2007 10:01:22 PM

Well, i did invented that sentence... 8O
like gaming 4xaa at 1600x1200 kind? none of this options fit...
Want to spend $130 on a great gfx? go asus 7600gs ddr3 top


to I_Love_Tacos:

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4336
January 23, 2007 10:09:06 PM

not because i have one, but price wise, an oc'ed 7900gs rapes an "older" oc'ed 7900gt. don't ask me why, but any core goes to 650mhz no sweat and some even come with 1.1ns mem. Search for some benches.
But yes, an oc'ed x1950 pro will beat an oc'ed 7900gs
January 23, 2007 10:10:06 PM

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well, the x1950pro put up a good fight, but the xt has more pipelines and is faster, and trounces the 7900gto in most benchmarks (not sure about it being able to compete with the gtx, that's xtx land). But I don't think the 7600gs is worth considering, not enough pipelines and really weak clocks, this is far better for the money, especially the insane clocks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


how can u say 1400mhz is weak????????????
January 23, 2007 10:14:53 PM

rendering and editing in what software????
January 23, 2007 10:22:39 PM

If you have payed attention, I always mentioned the ddr3 one. Don´t need to show me the ddr2 one.

As for the gfx cards being faster at editing, the only software that use it is Adobe premiere and I'd like to see some benches about that.
January 23, 2007 10:42:49 PM

I have a friend who does tech support for Dell. He builds his own systems - he told me that GDDR3 cards blow away GDDR2's. I don't know, have to trust you guys.
January 23, 2007 10:49:38 PM

Just looking @ the original post

Tower?? Full sized, you picked

Mobo - P5B Deluxe if you can snag it

RAM? Drop the XMS2, G.skill 800 slightly cheaper, 1GB modules
can overclock nicely.

out of the two GPU's listed...7900GS, but if you can afford that, spring for an X1950 instead.

HDD's are nice

Lose the 7700.... TT or Scythe for you young man

Lite on is good for cheap DVD ROMS, I have a couple.
But you want a quality burner and that = Plextor

PSU.....
You know what brands I'm going to say. And make it 600w or greater =)
January 23, 2007 10:51:25 PM

if you compare between the same gpus, memory speed matters. If different, you have to do some research.
Look:
8800GTX DDR3 (1800mhz)>8800GTS DDR3 (1800mhz)>X1950XTX DDR4 (2000mhz)

7600GS DDR2 (800mhz)>6600GT DDR3 (1000mhz). GPU architecture is what matters here.


Hey, it's all about the money. If you have 200, go x1950pro or 7900gs
If you have 150, go 7600gt
if you have 130, go 7600gs ddr3
January 23, 2007 10:52:29 PM

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Lose the 7700.... TT or Scythe for you young man


Links?
January 24, 2007 2:28:54 AM

Jake,

Overall, your system looks good.

I would choose the GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3, based on several reviews it gives very good performance and is at a good price point.

As for the GPU, since you are not going to be gaming much, I would stick with the 7900GS you selected or drop down to a 7600GT, or perhaps a 7600GS. You don't need to buy a X1950Pro like others are suggesting since it's most likely an overkill.

Regarding the power supply, I would go with the Corsair 520w PSU since it is a derivative of a Seasonic S12 PSU. I have a Seasonic S12 500 PSU and I can say it is a very quiet PSU. The Fortron 450w PSU is both good and inexpensive and will be more than enough to power your proposed system.

Keep the Dell 20" you have listed. It uses an 8-bit LCD, which is far better than a 6-bit LCD screen used in cheaper LCD monitors because it provides better color accuracy and crisper text. The down side to 8-bit LCD screens is price and the response times are not as good as 6-bit LCDs.

Lastly, instead of selecting the E6600 you could opt for the C2D E4300 CPU which has a clock multiplier pof 9 (just like the E6600), but it only has 2MB of cache and the default FSB is 800MHz instead of 1066MHz. It also lacks virtualization. The average performance difference between 2MB and 4MB of cache is about 3%-4% in most applications; including games. The one exception is multimedia encoding where the performance difference is 10%. The C2D E4300 is currently selling for $179 compared to $316 for the C2D E6600.

There have been several reviews where the E4300 has been push as high as 3.2GHz - 3.4GHz. I'm not pushing you to go with this CPU, I just wanted to put it on the table as an alternative.
January 24, 2007 4:16:11 AM

LCD = Dell, Viewsonic, Samsung - favs'
January 24, 2007 10:30:20 AM

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Keep the Dell 20" you have listed. It uses an 8-bit LCD, which is far better than a 6-bit LCD screen used in cheaper LCD monitors because it provides better color accuracy and crisper text. The down side to 8-bit LCD screens is price and the response times are not as good as 6-bit LCDs.


Thanks, I'm not saying that $ is no object - but I know that Dell monitor (made by Samsung) and it's 1st rate (unlike other Dell crap). I figure I'll get 5+ years out of that 20", so $40 more/year isn't a big hit. It's got 1600x1200 native resolution - I like that.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards that GIGABYTE DS3 - should be as good as the Asus with only a mild OC.

I might stick with the 7900GS - just because I know nvidia and have always had good luck with their cards (please - I'm not starting a fan boy war here ... just my opinion).

With the upcoming price drop on the e6600, I'll stick with this chip - I like it, will be doing video editing (need the cache).

I appreciate the comments. I'm still debating the PSU ... why this one item is causing consistent brain farts, I don't know - maybe, I'll pick 4-5 and throw darts ... :lol: 
January 24, 2007 5:55:32 PM

that processor has far too much muscle to pair it up with low end graphics (trust me i've got one), you should be aiming for x1950 pro/xt. and contrary to what has been said about corsair xms2 pc6400 ram, i have some (2gb, C4 latency) and it works fine with my p5b deluxe.

p.s: its nice to see a forum master asking for help for a change, instead of us noobs
January 24, 2007 6:09:14 PM

Get an EVGA brand Video card.

Then in 90days you can swap it for a mid-range DX10 card at little or no cost based upon the $150/$180 estimate for the variar 8600 models coming out.

(With EVGA, you can trade you card in for a better model within 90 days. You only pay the difference between what you paid and the list of the current card.)

With a new generation of cards coming out in 90 days, I see no reason to not go that route. Especially since the cards you are looking at are in the same $$$ range as what the new ones are expected to be listed.
January 24, 2007 7:43:21 PM

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that processor has far too much muscle to pair it up with low end graphics (trust me i've got one), you should be aiming for x1950 pro/xt. and contrary to what has been said about corsair xms2 pc6400 ram, i have some (2gb, C4 latency) and it works fine with my p5b deluxe.

p.s: its nice to see a forum master asking for help for a change, instead of us noobs


WTF? don´t troll please.
January 24, 2007 7:47:21 PM

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nvidia is better at video editing/rendering


again, prove it please. or show me one review
January 24, 2007 8:23:01 PM

I would go with the LG drive. it is dirt cheap and performs amazing. Has the fewest errors on burnt discs of any and performs in the top.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

I lvoe the Dell 2007WFP I have one I am in love with it. I love the 16:10 with ability to put two pages of text side by side. Dell will run it on special for 400 with shipping.
January 24, 2007 8:35:42 PM

I personaly have the BFG 7900GSOC for about 1 year now and it is a great card. But really there is no reason to spend a assload of money on a DX9 card when your going to go DX10 in a year most likely. So save your money and get a 7600GT there great cards and are cheap.
January 24, 2007 8:50:35 PM

I know you are having a hard time proving what you said about the rendering crap.
Just because it's........FALSE.
January 25, 2007 1:14:47 AM

X1650? =)

PSU

TT, Seasonic, Antec, PC&P, Silverstone, OCZ, Enermax, FSP, BFG & Sparkle.
January 25, 2007 2:04:10 AM

Almost everyone switched their lower end from the high binned micron d9s to elpida or promos etc. due to high demand and the lack of supply. It's not just Corsair that pulled a switch. Anything not around the 300 dollar mark for 2x1gb ddr2 800 is probably not one of the high binned microns (gmh etc.) Heck, even the ballistix around that 300 USD range uses D9DCLs which aren't as great. Granted, it's still a d9 which I suppose technically fits the fact that they are all supposed to be d9s unlike the lowest end Corsair Dominator (which I think was a bad move on Corsair's part.) Good Micron chips are simply not for the budget concerned right now nor is it necessary for only mild overclocks. Grabbing ddr2-800 means you already have some "ready to overclock" memory off the bat anyway. Might not reach insane overclocking rates because of your memory but if you have enough money for those higher binned micron d9s right now, you have enough to upgrade the CPU.

Some people have reached decent oc's with stock hsf for intel c2ds. Not recommended if you are really going to push your system though but it depends on how much you are going to squeeze the wallet I guess.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1075792

7900gs can be found for quite a bit less than 200 if you add in rebates from newegg or wherever you decide to buy it. Not to mention, if you ever do play an occasional game, most of the 7900gs line can OC quite well and give greater performance than you first expect. If you are gaming on a budget, it's definitely not a bad card to go.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/x1950pro...

Your overclocking mileage may vary depending on the card and you may need to squeeze a fan on it or have really good airflow to reach those amounts but nevertheless, it's a great value at that price point. That being said, if you can find an ATI 1950pro on the cheap, grab that immediately as a sure bet is always better than overclocking. As it is, value for potential performance goes with the 7900 gs in my opinion. Kinda how I think about the c2d for that matter.
January 25, 2007 2:10:37 AM

:)  ... You validate a lot of my original thinking. Thanks.

/Edit: Being a long time nvidia user (but not a "fan boy") ... I kind of had a blind eye to ATI ... thanks to all for pointing out the positives. I've been educated :D 
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