Hello everyone,
Maybe you are bored of these questions but I really need some help to make my decision. I bought a system 2 years ago, and I upgraded some of its components, so this is my system now:
Asus a7n8x-e deluxe
Amd Sempron 2600+@1.8ghz l2 256kb cache
1024(2*512)MB Ram
HIS Ati Radeon 9600 xt 256 mb 128 bit
WD 250 GB HDD 7200 rpm, 8 MB cache, normal ata
LG Combo
MSI Dvd writer
I think I have a 400W power supply which came mounted in the case.
I usually watch movies, listen to music, surf on the internet, and I like to play games too. Most of the newer games like NFS Carbon can be played with 30 fps in 640*480 with quite a few options used at max with 4xAA. To improve game performance I have 2 alternatives.
1)Buy a new AGP graphics card
2)Upgrade most of my system keeping the case, the HDD and the optical drives.
For the 1st alternative I thought an Nvidia 6800 gs would be enough for me but if you have other suggestions feel free to tell it. For the 2nd alternative I chose 2 different "systems"
"System A"
Asus m2n4-sli
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (L2 1 MB cache) Windsor
Asus En 7600 GS TOP-Silent/HTD/512M
1GB Corsair TWIN2X1024A-6400 -800mhz
This costs 686 $
"System B"
Asus M2v-MX
Athlon 64 X2 3600+ (L2-512kb) Windsor
Asus Radeon x1600 PRO 512 MB
A-Data 1 Gb Ram
This costs 543$
What do you think of both alternatives and which one is the best for me? or should I wait for a year or two until things get cheaper and probably get dx 10 hardware and maybe better stuff for this amount of money. By the way because I don't have enough money for it now I thought to sell the old components if I go with alternative 2.
Thanks for the help.
Peet
This board supports DDR, DDR2, AGP & PCI-E. I don't know your budget. You can snap a Pentium-D 805 minimal or e6300 or later, keep your DDR, upgrade to a PCI-E video. Maybe a psu.
Well I have max 700$ for a systemas the 2 systems(A&B) suggest. ,
http://www.shopit.ro/ This is a romanian IT site so I don't know if you will understand it. By the way you have to divide the sum of money written in RON with 2.6 to get the product's value in USD.
First of all I don't have enough money for a quadcore so this is why I won't buy a new AMD quadcore system beacuse I can't afford it , although I like the idea , and I rather buy AMD. I have a Sempron 2600+ now and for that price is a pretty good processor. I read a couple of price/performance comparison and on the low end -mid range processor which I likely to buy AMD offers greater value for the money. A dual core system I think would be sufficient for me. What's your oppinion about changing only the videocard?
WOW. This mobo is pretty good. With this I could have new e6300 and keep most of my stuff just for around 390$. This is the cheapest solution so far because I have plenty room to upgrade it later. Thanks. Could you suggest something similar with socket AM2?
Thanks a lot.
Peet
Go to www.pcgarage.ro and i'will find this:
Abit IB9 - 380 ron
Intel E6300 - 660 ron
Leadtek 7600 GT - 460 ron
Kingmax 1 Gb ddr2 6400 - 370 ron.
Total 1870 ron.
Thanks a lot for your help. I'm a bit surprised that the 3600+ performs as fast as the 3800+ though it has half of the cache. anyway facts speak for themselves so I chose the 3600+ as my future processor The problem with the Asus M2N-E is that only one ATA connector and I need 2 of them beacuse I have 2 optical drives(LG Combo, MSI DVD writer) and my WD 250GB HDD is normal ata as well.
There is another problem. I'm a bit confused about memories. I know that the more the better and this is true for their speed as well.
I would be grateful if you could explain me what those timings,(numbers) and pc xxxx (4200 or 5300 ) means.
Well, most AM2/C2D mobos have only one IDE connector for up to 2 IDE drives. In you case, you have 3 IDE drives, I'd suggest you connect the optical drives to the IDE & set them up as master & slave. For the IDE hard disk, get a Serial-ATA to IDE Adapter & plug it in SATA0 or SATA1.
If the adapter doesn't work, get a small SATA drive for OS/software, put the IDE drive in an external USB enclosure/housing as a backup storage.
Or make the IDE HDD as master & DVD writer as slave. Sell or give away the combo drive.
To oversimplify it, memory timings/latencies are like this: you go to a restaurant, order a meal, pay for it, wait for it, & get it. The wait time is like memory timings. The lower, the faster & more expensive.
Memory speeds, on the other hand, are the opposite. The higher, the faster & more expensive.
Both memory timings & speeds are relative. The fastest ram would have the lowest timings & highest speed.
Take this ram for example:
VS1GBKIT667D2 DDR2-667 (PC2-5300) 1GB Kit (2 x 512MB) 5-5-5-15-2T
PC2-5300 DDR2-667 is the speed. 667Mhz.
5-5-5-15-2T are tCAS, tRCD, tRP, tRAS, write latency.
ASUS M2N4-SLI or ASUS M2V mobos have 2 IDE connectors, so I could keep all of my drives(optical&HDD). These are a bit cheaper than the M2N-E. I don't know if I will ever use SLI but I only need the 2 ide connectors of that board. By the way I don't plan to overlock anything because it has to last for at least 3 years or even more, and to be sincere I'm afraid that I'll mess up my CPU Peet
Thanks for replying. I had 2 software related problems with my ATI videocard. The first one was when it kept exiting games like GTA San Andreas due to VPU Recover. I upgraded my driver and it was solved but still it's kinda annoying. The second was when my antivirus programm(NOD 32) had a conflict with CLI , and I couldn't use the Catalyst control center. I managed to solve this problem too by removing nod 32 and installing Kaspersky 6 instead. This is why I'm not sure about buying ATI videocard. I had an Nvidia videocard in my first system(geforce 4 mx440 64 mb) and I didn't have any problems at all. I will buy the 3600+X2, that would be enough for me. Your right, SLI would be a bit overkill and I only want to play games at 1024*768 and max details with around 50 fps or so, and these components should be enough Can I achieve that 2-300 mhz + with a stock cooler? Last but not least until HD content becomes mainstream here in Romania the 3600 will be long outdated. Peet
I almost have my final decision. I have 2 components I'm not sure about.
1) Corsair 1 GB kit 667 mhz- 138$ or
Corsair Twin 2*1024 (1GB) 800 mhz -183$
2) Asus EN 7600GT 256 MB - 200$ or
Asus EAX1650XT 256 MB 206$
Which one do you suggest?
Peet
A friend of mine suggested that I should buy the X1950PRO instead of the 1650 because it has 256 bit instead of 128 bit memory bus. What do you think?
Good friend you have there. Check out the THG graphics card chart the performance difference is dramatic for most game applications although the 3dMark scores are actually close. For details on GPU's try going to the following:
http://www.gpureview.com/
Unless you plan on overclocking stick with the 667 memory.
I know it's crap,this is why I try to get advices on how to upgrade my system.
First of all thanks for the advices, they are pretty good. I'm an AMD fan so maybe I'll stick with 3600+ even if C2D is superior. The 3600+X2 will be lot faster than my Sempron now so that would be ok. I don't know if I really need 2 GB of ram. I have never had a Gigabyte mobo. I'm using an Asus mobo now and I like it this is why I thought of Asus. Perhaps I should try other mobos as well. BTW I need 2 IDE connectors because I have 3 drives on normal ata. (1 HDD and 2 optical drives)
CPU - 611.65 RON-> 234$
Mobo- 361.20 RON -> 138$
Memory - here they don't sell a 2 GB kit so this would mean I have to buy 2 1Gb sticks-> 2* 300=600RON -> 230$
Videocard. -> 726.69 RON -> 278.42$
PSU -> this is really expensive here. -> 358.2 RON something similar to what you suggested-> 137.24$
This would mean 1000$ which is way over my max 700$ budget.
Peet
I can choose from a lot of 7900GS videocards from different manufacturers.
the cheapest is 223$ and the most expensive one is 313$(from ASUS)
I'll give you a link: http://www.shopit.ro/cauta/?q=7900gs Note: You have to divide the number written in RON with 2.61 to get the product's price in USD.
Peet
Took a look at you choices there in Romania and you certinly don't have a large variety of cards like we get here in the US. The ASUS card is an overclocked version and thus the premium price (if you want to fork out for something like that just get a better card) of the remainders the 512 memory versions don't actually perform a lot better than the 256 versions so drop those. Of the remainder I would recommend the Gainward BLISS 7900GS Golden Sample the BFG OC card is ok but doesn't have a D-Sub 15 pin connection which could be a problem unless your monitor has a DVI input.
I won't buy Asus because it is too expensive. My monitor has both DVI and D-Sub 15 pin connector so that won't be a problem. I thought that memory quantity counts a lot but if not then so be it. I think I will buy the Gainward BLISS 7900GS Golden Sample. I chose my videocard too. All I need is a motherboard which has 2 IDE connectors and it's compatible with corsair memories. Thanks
Peet
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