60"_XBR®_Grand_WEGA™

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I just got the newest 60" XBR® Grand WEGA™ KDF-60XBR950, overall i's
say i'm not impressed with the picture quality, the model at the high
end a/v store in my neighborhood, on display, had been color
calibraterd by a pro, and it looked very nice, the colors and the
image were both crisp.

At home my TV looks grainy, i realize its a big TV and i'm only
sitting about 6.5 feet away but i feel it lacks sharpness of picture.
For example if the was an image of a person's face is on the screen
and in the background there is a solid color, around that persons'
ears and cheeks, basiclly the whole outline of the persons face you
would see that the line is not smooth its blocky resembling a
staircase,

I also purchased VOOM as my SAT provider in hopes that HD images would
be even more sharp, as the advertise HD images are like 30 times
better than that of DVD's, but its not to great of an improvment,

The Electronic store near me had the TV set up with an HD feed for
display and the damn TV looks great, at home its mediocre at best, its
still just out of the box, maybe a pro could give me better advise, i
just thought i post on here and see if any one has the TV or the 70"
version, and an HD signal. And what their feedback was.

All my components are high end all my interconnects are high end, the
VOOM menu looks sharp at least, Great!! Damn TV!!

Any info would be great.

Thanks in advance

Ray

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"ray" <straightray@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I just got the newest 60" XBR® Grand WEGAT KDF-60XBR950, overall i's
> say i'm not impressed with the picture quality, the model at the high
> end a/v store in my neighborhood, on display, had been color
> calibraterd by a pro, and it looked very nice, the colors and the
> image were both crisp.
>
> At home my TV looks grainy, i realize its a big TV and i'm only
> sitting about 6.5 feet away but i feel it lacks sharpness of picture.
> For example if the was an image of a person's face is on the screen
> and in the background there is a solid color, around that persons'
> ears and cheeks, basiclly the whole outline of the persons face you
> would see that the line is not smooth its blocky resembling a
> staircase,
>
> I also purchased VOOM as my SAT provider in hopes that HD images would
> be even more sharp, as the advertise HD images are like 30 times
> better than that of DVD's, but its not to great of an improvment,
>
> The Electronic store near me had the TV set up with an HD feed for
> display and the damn TV looks great, at home its mediocre at best, its
> still just out of the box, maybe a pro could give me better advise, i
> just thought i post on here and see if any one has the TV or the 70"
> version, and an HD signal. And what their feedback was.
>
> All my components are high end all my interconnects are high end, the
> VOOM menu looks sharp at least, Great!! Damn TV!!
>
> Any info would be great.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ray

You may be seeing the "screen door" effect, which is where you would resolve
individual pixels. You should back off to the point where the screen is just
smooth color. I watch my 60" XBR at 8 ft in one La-Z-Boy and 9" in the
other, and find the detail I see in HD very satisfying. Of course, analog
will always have a grainy, slightly snowy picture, and you'll probably still
be able to see some grain off a DVD, but full-blown HD should be free of
grain and pixilization. Unfortunately it's not often we get full-blown HD
from digital off-the-air signals, and the result is pixelization during
action shots, and 'way less than HD resolution. Give it a little time and
make sure the signal you're getting is really HD. During this up-coming
season of re-runs, the gorgeous HD show-off aerial shots of the city on "CSI
Miami" and "Vegas" and "CSI" might not be as perfect as on fresh episodes,
but those are the best test pictures to judge your set by. Too bad they
only last a few seconds, but if you pay close attention, at least you'll be
able to see that your set can do the job. Oh, yes, most of the stores
selling these big sets have special HD material recorded on a hard disk, and
of course, that stuff will be pretty damn good. Be patient, and you will
see that your set is all you hoped it would be, when the program material is
right.

I put my set in the corner and the two La-Z-Boys in the opposite corner to
get my viewing distances. You may have to depart a bit from conventional
furniture arrangements to get full enjoyment from your new XBR. Of course,
that's always up for a vote, if there's a wife to be considered. I don't
have that problem.

Chuck

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ray wrote:
> I measured, i'm actually a little under 9 feet away, and that's ideal
> or so says the owners manual, it's sounds worse than it is, my house
> is small i can't get any further away. my concern is with lack of
> sharpness i thought i'd get with HD, or does this TV look grainy to
> anybody else who owns one???
>
>
Have you calibrated it yet using Avia or DVE? If not, do that first. Or
pay a pro to come out and do it for you. The XBR sets are expensive
enough that paying a little more might be worth it.

--
David G.

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"SmartyPants" <schmartypantz@(remove_this)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >You should back off to the point where the screen is just
> > smooth color. I watch my 60" XBR at 8 ft in one La-Z-Boy and 9" in the
> > other, and find the detail I see in HD very satisfying.
>
> Isn't the second chair a little TOO close???
>
Aw Jeez, I was hoping you wouldn't see that! But it's nice to know some
people are paying attention, oh alert one.

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ray wrote:
> I just got the newest 60" XBR® Grand WEGA™ KDF-60XBR950, overall i's
> say i'm not impressed with the picture quality,

This shouldn't surprise you, LCD jst isn't as good as DLP.
Hopefully, you can return it for a full refund.

Jeff B

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Looked at both DLP and LCD. Sorry, the DLP with it slightly green
tinged pictures just didn't cut it for me. Yes, I visited several
stores played with the picture controls. To each his own.

On Sat, 29 May 2004 04:16:25 GMT, jeff b <fakeaddy@fjyfj.com> wrote:

>
>
>ray wrote:
>> I just got the newest 60" XBR® Grand WEGA™ KDF-60XBR950, overall i's
>> say i'm not impressed with the picture quality,
>
>This shouldn't surprise you, LCD jst isn't as good as DLP.
>Hopefully, you can return it for a full refund.
>
>Jeff B

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I also debated between a Sammy DLP and a GWIII and also noticed the slight
green caste on the Sammy. I chose the GWII because it appeared to handle SD
sources kinder. My eyeball distance is about 9 feet for a 42" screen that
seemed huge in the first few weeks coming from a 27" XBR. Also, in the
beginning, I was looking for every possible imperfection for that first 30
days. Sit back and relax. Unless you see a very obvious flaw, I firmly
believe you'll grow to love the HD images.

YMMV

"Garth" <garth09@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> Looked at both DLP and LCD. Sorry, the DLP with it slightly green
> tinged pictures just didn't cut it for me. Yes, I visited several
> stores played with the picture controls. To each his own.
>
> On Sat, 29 May 2004 04:16:25 GMT, jeff b <fakeaddy@fjyfj.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >ray wrote:
> >> I just got the newest 60" XBR® Grand WEGAT KDF-60XBR950, overall i's
> >> say i'm not impressed with the picture quality,
> >
> >This shouldn't surprise you, LCD jst isn't as good as DLP.
> >Hopefully, you can return it for a full refund.
> >
> >Jeff B
>

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"jeff b" <fakeaddy@fjyfj.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Garth wrote:
>
> > Looked at both DLP and LCD. Sorry, the DLP with it slightly green
> > tinged pictures just didn't cut it for me. Yes, I visited several
> > stores played with the picture controls. To each his own.
>
> Which controls, service menu, or just the user
> menu?
> No trace of green on my 61" or 56" Sammy. No
> 'screen door effect' either.
>
> Jeff B
>
Now that's interesting - - "no screen door effect" - - are you saying that
no matter how close you get to the screen, you can't discern individual
pixels? This is the first requirement when I look at any projection set - -
is it well enough in focus that it resolves individual pixels in all parts
of the screen. Often the center will be very sharply focused and the
corners not so sharp, but still distinct. I found the 61" Samsung I first
owned (3 days) to be just fine as far as the sharpness was concerned, but
when I turned down the contrast so the highlights weren't so overpowering,
the loss of luminance bits made dark scenes take on a flat, stepped-area
appearance, and that combined with the inexplicable green tint and the
rainbow effect due to color-wheel sequencing, took it totally out of the
running for me. I'm glad to hear they finally were able to properly control
colors to get rid of the green tint. I've enjoyed my 60" Sony XBR for a
year and a half now, and don't regret that decision one bit.

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The user menu controls which along with the DVE DVD have provided me
with what I consider an excellent picture on my 60" Grand WEGA .

It can't deliver the dense blacks of a good direct view CRT, but
neither can any RPTV including those with CRTs. All non CRT's are a
compromise one has to make for a larger image size.

As I said before it is a matter of personal taste.


On Sat, 29 May 2004 17:36:13 GMT, jeff b <fakeaddy@fjyfj.com> wrote:

>
>
>Garth wrote:
>
>> Looked at both DLP and LCD. Sorry, the DLP with it slightly green
>> tinged pictures just didn't cut it for me. Yes, I visited several
>> stores played with the picture controls. To each his own.
>
>Which controls, service menu, or just the user
>menu?
>No trace of green on my 61" or 56" Sammy. No
>'screen door effect' either.
>
>Jeff B