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Any reason I shouldn't buy this 7600GS? Link provided!

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January 24, 2007 5:44:37 PM

Is there any reason I shouldn't buy this card? Is it any different than the other 7600GS's that are out there?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I won't need any of the accessories that would normally come with it because I have a very plain monitor, just a cheap 17" I got from Dell with my system.

Only think I don't understand is why the core clock and memory speeds are listed. RAMDAC is listed instead at 400mhz....what is that?

Thanks!

-ledzep
January 24, 2007 6:08:00 PM

The Ramdac converts the digital signal to analog so it can be displayed on a monitor, generically speaking.

My guess is that it's just a reference 7600GS which has a 400Mhz core, 400Mhz memory (800Mhz respectively) speeds. Most likely Newegg didn't list the core and memory speeds because MSI doesn't list them.

Just make sure your Dell has an AGP slot as a lot don't allow for any type of graphics upgrade, depending on the model. If you're ok with an open-box item, I'd say go for it. I believe you still have a 15-day warranty with Newegg's open-box deals, so just make sure to install it quickly and test it with a few games to make sure it works.

Cheers!
January 24, 2007 6:27:49 PM

He's buying AGP.
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January 24, 2007 6:31:17 PM

Do not get the 7600GS. Get the 7600GT version. The GT card is ten times better then the GS.

Go to this site to see the difference.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=434&card2...

The biggest thing to look at is the Memory Bandwidth
the GS has 12.8GB/sec and the GT has 22.4GB/sec

I have two BFG 7600GT cards running in SLI and I cannot be happier. Very stable excellent cards. Love them and very fast too.
January 24, 2007 6:35:31 PM

It's also about twice the cost because the OP is looking at AGP cards. People don't look at open-box AGP 7600GSs if they can afford the AGP 7600GT.
January 24, 2007 8:07:27 PM

I agree. PCI-E is the way of the future. My 680i Nvidia board supports up to three 16x PCI-E cards. I am not even sure if that technology through software and games is out yet. Also that board supports quad core processors. I only have a Core 2 Duo in there right now. Not complaining, very happy. Buy for the future and you will be happier in the future.
January 24, 2007 8:09:23 PM

Well if he bought a Dell it wasn't really his choice, it was Dell's choice.
a b U Graphics card
January 24, 2007 8:39:02 PM

You probably won't find a better performing AGP card for that price. Even used they are hard to find as X800XL and 6800GT are currently way higher priced on ebay than that. According to this review, it is clocked 400MHz core/400 (800 MHz effective DDR) memory.

But I would not buy it. You can buy a brand new 7600GS or equal X1650 pro for $110-120 on newegg. I'd go with a new His X1650 pro ice Q for $115 After $15 Rebate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&ty...

EDIT, the Sapphire AGP X1650 pro just had a price drop this hour. It's now $101 AR.


Or a retail BFG 7800GS OC AGP( >= to 7600GT) for $159 A $50 R which is much faster than these others.

Other reasons for not buying that refurb besides lack of bundled accessories and software, are the 15 day warranty and higher than new failure rate to open box cards. I used to buy alot of these, but have had to return too many in the past year that I generally avoid open box now. I hate eating the return shipping fees.

Anyway, it's up to you if you want to risk it. if you buy it, make sure and bench/game on it during the 15 day RMA period. And make sure you are OK with needing to eat the return shipping fees if it is bad. To me, it's not enough of a savings to get a bare card and risk the RMA.
a b U Graphics card
January 24, 2007 8:54:15 PM

Sure I agree, but the His iceQ X1650 pro was just an extra $25 after a $15 rebate. I think that's a better card than he is looking at and being new it's $25 well spent. The 7800GS is much better than both, but is $70 more after a $50 rebate. He has to draw the line somewhere so I mentioned both. But once you get to the 7800GS, then why not mention a $220 X1950 pro also. :p 



Anway, In AGP, I'd look at one of these 3:

HISX1650 pro IceQ AGP $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

BFG 7800GS $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Powercolor X1950 pro $220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
January 24, 2007 9:28:04 PM

(7800gs=7600gt>>>1650pro) all spanked by the 1950
a b U Graphics card
January 24, 2007 9:32:08 PM

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(7800gs=7600gt>>>1650pro) all spanked by the 1950

Agreed. Just remember, he is asking about a $90 refurbished card. X1950 pro and 7800GS may be way over budget.
January 24, 2007 9:41:43 PM

Quote:
(7800gs=7600gt>>>1650pro) all spanked by the 1950

Agreed. Just remember, he is asking about a $90 refurbished card. X1950 pro and 7800GS may be way over budget.

Doesn't it always go that way? For 20$ you can get this, and for another extra 20$ you can get that, but while you're at it spend another 50$ and get the fastest one. Oh and if I were you I would spend another 2000$ to upgrade to a quad-core system.

On a more serious note, the 7600GT is faster, but for $90 the 7600GS is a pretty good deal. If I was still on AGP and had a ~100$ budget for a new graphics card, this is probably what I would get. It's certainly not slower than the previously mentionned x1600-x1650 pro cards.
January 24, 2007 9:45:05 PM

i know. i was just trying to say that the 7600gt agp is equal and sometimes even better than the 7800gs. Just because you said the opposite :) 
but I was just nitpicking, the difference are just a few fps
January 24, 2007 9:47:52 PM

Quote:
(7800gs=7600gt>>>1650pro) all spanked by the 1950

Agreed. Just remember, he is asking about a $90 refurbished card. X1950 pro and 7800GS may be way over budget.

Doesn't it always go that way? For 20$ you can get this, and for another extra 20$ you can get that, but while you're at it spend another 50$ and get the fastest one. Oh and if I were you I would spend another 2000$ to upgrade to a quad-core system.

On a more serious note, the 7600GT is faster, but for $90 the 7600GS is a pretty good deal. If I was still on AGP and had a ~100$ budget for a new graphics card, this is probably what I would get. It's certainly not slower than the previously mentionned x1600-x1650 pro cards.

I didnĀ“t tell him to buy anything. Just stating some crap 8)

And that 7600gs is a good buy...if it works... :) 
a b U Graphics card
January 24, 2007 10:32:17 PM

Quote:
i know. i was just trying to say that the 7600gt agp is equal and sometimes even better than the 7800gs. Just because you said the opposite :) 
but I was just nitpicking, the difference are just a few fps

LOL, OK, gotcha. :wink:

But actually to nitpick back, the 7800GS OC like I linked to is above a 7600GT IMO. I kinda see 7800GS>=7600GT.
Check out Firingsquads AGP review and the factory OC'ed 7800GS put's a spanking to the 7600GT. It outdoes the 7600GT by 25% in some tests.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sapphire_x1950_pro_...

Also it seems X850XT matches 7600GT and the OC'ed 7800GS matches the higher clocked X850XTpe (based on old reviews). But anyway, really they are so close they are basically equal. And to argue for you, Cleeve has found in his testing the 7600GT can easily match the 7800GS. SO I have no problem with them being called equal.

FS got much higher results for their 7800GS than their 7600GT, but I think it was a reference 7600GT and the 7800GS was the evga superclock. Reference clocks are 375/1200. The BFG is 400/1250, and the Superclock is 490/1400! (explains the spanking) They should not have used the evga superclock IMO.
a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2007 3:16:08 PM

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nitpicking time!!!

Then I'll say this: http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2031&c...

Oh sure, it will post some wins. That's a 3 game test where the 7600GT overall does look a little better. Of course the 6800GT beats both at times too. :roll: But Both also look better than the X850XTpe, which in a more thorough review is declared the winner over two overclocked 7800GS's by AnaNVtech. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=9
My point being, 3 games is not enough games for a comparison and not enough to erase what FS showed.

Here is their 7600GT AGP review where the same 7800GS KO from the other link again destroys the reference and XFX OC'ed 7600GT, in a slew of games.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/xfx_geforce_7600_gt...

Anyway, here is another review where they trade blows depending what the settings/resolution are. Add them up the 7800GS wins more than it loses, but it's a strange how at certain settings the 7600GT jumps ahead. http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2006/08/3...

And again, Cleeve showed them pretty neck and neck too in his XP2500+ testing, trading blows in both average and low fps. We'll see how it goes in the A64 test.

Not that it matters much as the two cards seem to have their share of wins with neither dominating the other accept in FS's KO tests. We just disagree at which card gets the >= and which gets the <=. :D 
January 25, 2007 5:14:56 PM

I don't disagree with you. You are right, and for more $10 I'd go for 16 pipelines :) 
a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2007 8:13:01 PM

You know what's funny, I just re-read and think the last line in my post above pretty much is saying the same thing you originally said to me way above. :roll: :oops: 

you:
"i know. i was just trying to say that the 7600gt agp is equal and sometimes even better than the 7800gs. Just because you said the opposite"

me:
"We just disagree at which card gets the >= and which gets the <=. "
January 26, 2007 11:56:48 AM

2 months ago I was able to buy new ATI brand X1600 PRO 512 MB AGP for around $90. You should try the X1600 or X1650s since they are very comparable to the 7600 GS
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