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O/Ced E6300 vs OC/ed E4300...benched

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January 25, 2007 7:44:47 PM

TechSpot has overclocked the E6300 and E4300 and pitted them against each other and a stock E6700. The E6300's higher FSB seems to prevail, but the E4300's lower RAM requirement is definetely a bonus..budget-wise. :) 

http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-...
January 25, 2007 7:48:05 PM

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There was a great deal of hype surrounding the Core architecture. During September of 2006 the Core 2 Duo was officially unleashed upon the world and the results were staggering. The E6700, which still remains as the flagship Core 2 Duo processor, wiped the floor with any and all existing processors. Furthermore, the pricing for these new processors was also very competitive, forcing AMD to greatly reduce the retail value of all their competing products.

Huh?
January 25, 2007 7:49:59 PM

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There was a great deal of hype surrounding the Core architecture. During September of 2006 the Core 2 Duo was officially unleashed upon the world and the results were staggering. The E6700, which still remains as the flagship Core 2 Duo processor, wiped the floor with any and all existing processors. Furthermore, the pricing for these new processors was also very competitive, forcing AMD to greatly reduce the retail value of all their competing products.

Huh?Yeah they have a few issues with reality. I guess the X6800 is considered an Extreme model, not a regular C2D. I also feel they should have gotten a little higher on the 4300 with an ULTRA-120. :?
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January 25, 2007 7:59:25 PM

They should've just sent them both to us at DaClan :twisted:
January 25, 2007 8:08:19 PM

Wow...

When the E4300 price drop to ~$160 they will really take that market range by a storm...
January 25, 2007 8:10:00 PM

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They should've just sent them both to us at DaClan :twisted:
I posted this because a lot of people are undecided whether the E6300 or the E4300 is the better choice. Maybe it will help someone. :wink:
January 25, 2007 8:22:59 PM

its getting harder and harder to resist the urge to go dual core.....

must......fight.....it......
January 25, 2007 8:23:57 PM

I look forward to when THG adds both these processors to their price/performance charts.
January 25, 2007 8:32:29 PM

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I look forward to when THG adds both these processors to their price/performance charts.
I would like to see a review of the E4300 on the Asrock 775DUAL-VSTA. I could see a lot of these chips going into a budget/crossover board like this. You'd be looking at getting into a Core2Duo setup for just over $200, and even though overclocking is limited to around 300MHz FSB... getting a possible 2.7GHz C2D setup for $200 is just crazy kewl. 8)
January 25, 2007 8:43:24 PM

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I would like to see a review of the E4300 on the Asrock 775DUAL-VSTA. I could see a lot of these chips going into a budget/crossover board like this. You'd be looking at getting into a Core2Duo setup for just over $200, and even though overclocking is limited to around 300MHz FSB... getting a possible 2.7GHz C2D setup for $200 is just crazy kewl.


Man, do I ever second that. The possibilty of using ddr400 ram and an agp video card makes a core2duo upgrade much more viable for a lot of people. I would like to see overclocking results with some ddr400 ram. I've heard that board doesn't have voltage adjustments unfortunately (vdimm in particular). That could put a damper on things very quickly.
January 25, 2007 8:44:34 PM

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TechSpot has overclocked the E6300 and E4300 and pitted them against each other and a stock E6700. The E6300's higher FSB seems to prevail, but the E4300's lower RAM requirement is definetely a bonus..budget-wise. :) 

http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-...


That is a moot point because it hardly effects performance at all, besides you can easily turn an E4300 into an E6300 (minus VT) by changing the multiplier to 7x. Turning an E6300 into an E4300 is a lot more difficult with upward locked multipliers. :wink:
January 25, 2007 9:02:25 PM

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TechSpot has overclocked the E6300 and E4300 and pitted them against each other and a stock E6700. The E6300's higher FSB seems to prevail, but the E4300's lower RAM requirement is definetely a bonus..budget-wise. :) 

http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-...


That is a moot point because it hardly effects performance at all, besides you can easily turn an E4300 into an E6300 (minus VT) by changing the multiplier to 7x. Turning an E6300 into an E4300 is a lot more difficult with upward locked multipliers. :wink:True. I wish they'd done that to see if the chip has any differences(being a true Allendale vs. a neutered Conroe) in FSB limits, or outright speed. :) 
January 25, 2007 9:19:50 PM

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I look forward to when THG adds both these processors to their price/performance charts.


lol

How much ya wanna bet the 4300 makes it to the chart before the 6300 does?
January 25, 2007 9:21:19 PM

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I would like to see a review of the E4300 on the Asrock 775DUAL-VSTA. I could see a lot of these chips going into a budget/crossover board like this. You'd be looking at getting into a Core2Duo setup for just over $200, and even though overclocking is limited to around 300MHz FSB... getting a possible 2.7GHz C2D setup for $200 is just crazy kewl.


Man, do I ever second that. The possibilty of using ddr400 ram and an agp video card makes a core2duo upgrade much more viable for a lot of people. I would like to see overclocking results with some ddr400 ram. I've heard that board doesn't have voltage adjustments unfortunately (vdimm in particular). That could put a damper on things very quickly.

ya it does
January 25, 2007 9:25:34 PM

So does the Bad Axe but there are ways around it.
January 26, 2007 1:07:40 PM

Are you saying there are ways around not having voltage adjustments in the BIOS? I am curious as to how else you can do this without soldering or something :? It could come in handy :) 
January 26, 2007 1:25:11 PM

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Are you saying there are ways around not having voltage adjustments in the BIOS? I am curious as to how else you can do this without soldering or something :? It could come in handy :) 
Exactly. Volt-mod. Soldering a pot(potentiometer) or variable resistor to the motherboard. A lot of the new boards can be volt modded by using a pencil. The Graphite is drawn (if you will)onto a solder-point, and the thickness of Graphite varies the resistance thus varying voltage.

Soldered volt-mods: Note- Malves corner(the best mod instructional website IMHO), is no longer up. :x
http://mod.vault9.net/forums/Volt_mods-t12986.html

Pencil-Mod:
http://sg.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=3876
January 26, 2007 1:48:22 PM

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TechSpot has overclocked the E6300 and E4300 and pitted them against each other and a stock E6700. The E6300's higher FSB seems to prevail, but the E4300's lower RAM requirement is definetely a bonus..budget-wise. :) 

http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-...


I like the review over here at anandtech.com

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=290..., there are better reviews of the E4300, but this one in particular has it overclocked, facing-off against an overclocked E6300. There are many, many posters wondering which is the better chip to get for overclocking, so i thought this article would show any FSB related differences...which there is a little though not a significant diff. Therefore, they are both very close in performance, and if the 4300 can be had cheaper(Q2 price-drop)...that combined with relaxed RAM requirements can save a few bucks. :D 
January 26, 2007 1:50:18 PM

Just trying to add something that might help :) 
January 26, 2007 1:53:26 PM

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Are you saying there are ways around not having voltage adjustments in the BIOS? I am curious as to how else you can do this without soldering or something :? It could come in handy :) 
Exactly. Volt-mod. Soldering a pot(potentiometer) or variable resistor to the motherboard. A lot of the new boards can be volt modded by using a pencil. The Graphite is drawn (if you will)onto a solder-point, and the thickness of Graphite varies the resistance thus varying voltage.

Soldered volt-mods: Note- Malves corner(the best mod instructional website IMHO), is no longer up. :x
http://mod.vault9.net/forums/Volt_mods-t12986.html

Pencil-Mod:
http://sg.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=3876
there are actual mods for the CPU itself as well.
January 26, 2007 1:53:42 PM

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Just trying to add something that might help :) 
Thanks. :wink:
January 26, 2007 3:10:26 PM

I wish they had included benchmark numbers for a similarly OC'd 6600 as a comparison
January 26, 2007 3:16:01 PM

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I wish they had included benchmark numbers for a similarly OC'd 6600 as a comparison

The extra 2 megs of cache doesn't help that much.
January 26, 2007 4:16:07 PM

4x would definitely be a limiting factor for that board. At 8x, a 7800GTX (I think that was the video card) took a 2% preformance hit... that's about a 49% hit on 4x... that board would only work if you used a 7600GS, a 8300, or anything slower then those two. The bandwidth to run good graphics simply isn't there.

I'm looking at a cheap gigabyte p965 board... $108 with all the doo-dads that i'll use. Sure, I need new memory, a new power supply, a new video card, and a new processor... but that's the cost of a true upgrade!
January 26, 2007 4:18:57 PM

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4x would definitely be a limiting factor for that board. At 8x, a 7800GTX (I think that was the video card) took a 2% preformance hit... that's about a 49% hit on 4x... that board would only work if you used a 7600GS, a 8300, or anything slower then those two. The bandwidth to run good graphics simply isn't there.

I'm looking at a cheap gigabyte p965 board... $108 with all the doo-dads that i'll use. Sure, I need new memory, a new power supply, a new video card, and a new processor... but that's the cost of a true upgrade!

49% is axadderated. But yes, you would start seeing significant performance loss, but the idea is that anybody buying a $50 motherboard is NOT going to buy a $250 video card, which makes plenty of sense to me.
January 26, 2007 4:32:50 PM

49% is basically choking the video card.

The only way I'd use that mobo is if I had a non-gamer friend who needs a CPU upgrade but can't afford much more. A new board, a new CPU, and possibly a new PSU (to bring it up to ATX v2.xx).

That test with the performance loss was done on an ECS nForce 570 sli mobo; two 8x lanes in both SLI and single-card setups.

Still, the performance loss would be significant... probably around 50% considering.
January 26, 2007 5:43:30 PM

This review uses a 6800Ultra in both the AGP and pci-e slots and the difference is not great at all. I realize the 6800 is no 7800 but I find a 49% hit a little hard to believe. Anyway, a 6800Ultra is much more powerful than a 7600GS (which you said would be the fastest card you thought would work without a significant bottleneck) and would be fine in either slot on this board.
January 26, 2007 6:11:21 PM

"The 775Dual-VSTA uses a PCIe x4 interface attached with the ASUS EN7900GT TOP graphics card. The benchmarks taken with the three boards shows that the PCIe x4 slows down the high end graphics card 2.3%. Both the 945P and 975X board appears to be on par with 14 marks difference. Both of them are using PCIe x16 bus for the graphics card."

-from this review
January 26, 2007 6:35:12 PM

I believe the Asrock 775 Dual VSTA is popular enough that OCworkbench has a modded bios that has vcore adjustment, and a higher max fsb (now ~350 MHz). Gotta love popularity.
January 26, 2007 6:39:05 PM

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"The 775Dual-VSTA uses a PCIe x4 interface attached with the ASUS EN7900GT TOP graphics card. The benchmarks taken with the three boards shows that the PCIe x4 slows down the high end graphics card 2.3%. Both the 945P and 975X board appears to be on par with 14 marks difference. Both of them are using PCIe x16 bus for the graphics card."

-from this review

yeah i knew bandwidth wouldn't make a big difference.
January 26, 2007 6:51:08 PM

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I believe the Asrock 775 Dual VSTA is popular enough that OCworkbench has a modded bios that has vcore adjustment, and a higher max fsb (now ~350 MHz). Gotta love popularity.
Sweet! A$3GHz+ C2D for ~$200. That's simply awesome. :o  :D 
January 26, 2007 7:07:31 PM

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I posted this because a lot of people are undecided whether the E6300 or the E4300 is the better choice. Maybe it will help someone. :wink:

This is quite helpful, thanks!
I'm hoping for a build in about 4 months so it helps to scope out the upcoming stuff.

I didn't know the next versions of the E6300 and the E6400 were going to be upgraded to 4MB of cache. Oof some pretty hard decisions to make.
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The Intel Core 2 Duo E6320 and E6420 are going to be introduced in the 2Q, around the same time that the E4300 should drop in price. These two new processors are going to be alternatives to the existing E6300 and E6400, effectively replacing them and featuring the larger 4MB L2 cache.
January 26, 2007 7:23:04 PM

Yeah, PCIe bandwidth is nowhere near being fully utilized.
January 26, 2007 7:57:03 PM

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Yeah, PCIe bandwidth is nowhere near being fully utilized.
I can't remember whether it was the Anandtech articles, or not... but they came to the conclusion that the PCI-e 4x doesn't start to bottleneck until you get to 7900GT power.So, you can still have a "decent" (not awesome) gaming platform with the ASRock. :wink:
January 26, 2007 8:19:00 PM

In second quarter intel Chips drop so plan on moving up a chip class when you build later.

Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz 8MB 1066MHz $851 $530
Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz 4MB 1066MHz $530 $316
Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz 4MB 1066MHz $316 $224
Core 2 Duo E6420 2.13GHz 4MB 1066MHz $183
Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13GHz 2MB 1066MHz $224 $183
Core 2 Duo E6320 1.83GHz 4MB 1066MHz $163
Core 2 Duo E6300 1.83GHz 2MB 1066MHz $183 $163
Core 2 Duo E4400 2.0GHz 2MB 800MHz $133
Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8GHz 2MB 800MHz $163 $113
January 27, 2007 12:28:54 AM

Yeah, I've been considering this board for the system in my sig. The only things holding me back is the questionable overclocking, a required new case, and new OS (current OS only works with the current proprietary MB). Perhaps a small price to pay for the improvement I would see.
January 29, 2007 11:53:09 PM

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In second quarter intel Chips drop so plan on moving up a chip class when you build later.

Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz 8MB 1066MHz $851 $530
Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz 4MB 1066MHz $530 $316
Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz 4MB 1066MHz $316 $224
Core 2 Duo E6420 2.13GHz 4MB 1066MHz $183
Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13GHz 2MB 1066MHz $224 $183
Core 2 Duo E6320 1.83GHz 4MB 1066MHz $163
Core 2 Duo E6300 1.83GHz 2MB 1066MHz $183 $163
Core 2 Duo E4400 2.0GHz 2MB 800MHz $133
Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8GHz 2MB 800MHz $163 $113

Thanks, I read about that today too. Dang last time I spent over $200 on a CPU was the early P4 days. I'll probably build in May... I hope.
The bad thing about tech is that you can never really price it all out til you buy! I just hope RAM goes down sometime soon.
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