Penryn derivatives Yorkfield/Wolfdale to come Q1 2008

I bet that will change by then.

Hmm. Looking at how K8L is aimed for volume production in June, AMD might be able to capture a small performance lead(6 months) at least until Yorkfield/Wolfdale arrives. Plus, we don't know if Yorkfield/Wolfdale will be able to clock as high as they say.

Anyway, I'll guesstimate when Nehalem will arrive. It should be possible to pull Nehalem in the same months that Conroe arrived, June/July 2008.

Yea, but Conroe won't clock 30% higher, Yorkfield/Wolfdale will. No, Wolfdale will, not Yorkfield. They are both coming 6 months later, which gives time for AMD to increase clock speeds.

it wont matter amd can come out with a k8l that is faster than conroe
intel will just up the clocks on conroe by 30% and beat k8L again. i dont think k8L will overclock that good based on their process

I don't think Core Arch can clock 30% more than K8L if both of them are in 65nm :wink:

it wont matter amd can come out with a k8l that is faster than conroe
intel will just up the clocks on conroe by 30% and beat k8L again. i dont think k8L will overclock that good based on their process

I don't think Core Arch can clock 30% more than K8L if both of them are in 65nm :wink:

My understanding is the 6x50 line of processors are going to be Core uArch on 45 nm and some of the information I've seen other people posting with links to articles indicate that we should see the 6x50 processors sometime in late Q3, early Q4 (Sept to Oct). So, if the 6x50s do come out, AMD may have the lead for about 3 months and then the 6x50s can probably ramp up in clock speed and retake the performance crown. This year is getting more and more interesting by the minute.

You mean my article? :wink:
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam...

I think the 6x50 processors are still 65nm processors as there is no indications of 45nm 6x50 derivatives.

My guess is Intel already got the yorkfield and the 45nm process working. They just wait to release it because they can.

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Well, they can't. Not only previous time gaps between process generations back it up, this is not the fantasy world where you imagine Intel/AMD to be playing with each other but they have 10GHz processors that have 16 cores, each performing like Conroe per clock and has 30mm2 die.

Amd will be at 45 nm some time between Q4 2007 and Q2 2008, the technology gap is closing, this will make things much more exciting for the customer.

I don't know if you remember or not, but same thing was claimed for the 65nm generation. The closest AMD got to Intel was the 180nm generation. Having production ready and having a product isn't the same thing. Intel had 90nm process ready by mid-2003 but Prescott got delayed to Early 2004. Similarly, Intel will be production ready with 45nm in early/mid 2007, but products are coming late 2007/early 2008.

I don't know if you remember or not, but same thing was claimed for the 65nm generation. The closest AMD got to Intel was the 180nm generation. Having production ready and having a product isn't the same thing. Intel had 90nm process ready by mid-2003 but Prescott got delayed to Early 2004. Similarly, Intel will be production ready with 45nm in early/mid 2007, but products are coming late 2007/early 2008.
They produced on the 65nm generation. Just because you don't see it on newegg doesn't mean it isn't in mass production. They have partners that are more important than newegg and are supply constrained.

Sigh. I dont' care about when its available at Newegg. Depending on the company's ability to deliver products, Newegg may have the product 15 days before product introduction or 15 days after(but much more than if it was 15 days before). All it matters is the actual product introduction date, as that's when the company deems its good enough for mass production and can show the world it can buy one.

Official availability of 65nm "Brisbane" is December 5th.

Intel had their first 65nm CPU, the Pentium EE 955 at December 28, 2005, and their first 65nm mobile CPU, the Core Duo, at Jan 5, 2006.

180nm:
Intel-June 14, 1999(Mobile Pentium II)
AMD-Nov 29, 1999(Aluminum)
June 5th, 2000(Copper)

130nm:
Intel-July 30, 2001
AMD-April 17, 2002

90nm:
Intel-Feb 2, 2004
AMD-August 17, 2004 (2.4 GHz A64 DTR 3700 S754 1M L2)

65nm:
Intel-December 28, 2005 (3.46 GHz P4 955 2x2M L2)
AMD-December 5, 2006 (2.1/2.3/2.5/2.6 GHz A64 X2 EE)

The closest time ever was the 180nm generation, where Intel had little more than 5 months lead. If anything, Intel expanded their lead greatly...

Buddy. Overclocks does not show what the product can scale to. There are much more important things in the rest of the market for computer chips that cares more about stability than: "I overclocked my chip over stock by 60% and FSB by 40% using liquid nitrogen/hydrogen/oxygen".