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January 30, 2007 1:33:24 AM

I'm building a new computer for less than 1500, what kind of mobo should I get and from there what kind of processor or video card?
Thanks!
January 30, 2007 1:45:18 AM

Better yet does anyone have a good gaming build for about 1000 not including monitor, keyboard etc?
January 30, 2007 3:40:39 AM

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Better yet does anyone have a good gaming build for about 1000 not including monitor, keyboard etc?


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Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250820A 250GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM

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ASUS Dual Panel Black and Beige ATAPI/E-IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E616A3 - Retail

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Intel BLKD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - OEM

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6400 - Retail

does that build work out okay?
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January 30, 2007 4:25:55 AM

wow a 220 dollar motherboard on a budget system.....

I think that you'd be better off with a

Gigabyte DS3
E4300
Case isnt bad but worried about the PSU
Buffalo Firestix I think that they'll serve you well
or get some of these Crucial
For graphics card, maybe you'll be able to squeeze in a 8800GTS somehow... but if you cant, the 7950GT is also a great card.

I haven't added up the total, but hopefully this would help you out.
January 30, 2007 4:53:23 AM

thanks..so i'm guessing I dont need a hardcore mobo for this setup. the budget is sorta like 1400? thanks for recommending buffalo firestix, they seem nice. why downgrade the processor though, isnt that pretty vital for a gaming rig?
January 30, 2007 5:35:49 AM

its not nearly as important as your graphics card, I second the move to a e6400, and a 8800GTS instead
January 30, 2007 5:52:32 AM

If you can afford an 8800 they suck power and you might think of a better P/S than the one that comes with your case, bad place to skimp.
January 30, 2007 10:35:07 PM

I assume you meant to say the E4300 Parge.
The E4300 would be more "bang for the buck" than the E6400 since you can easily OC it past the E6400 speeds.
For the PSU, If you're able to afford that PSU then I'd suggest this Antec
and HIGHLY recommend this Mushkin psu.
Well thats if it fits in your budget.
Of course there are some PSU that would be worth more for the money but I'm not sure about their quality.
January 30, 2007 10:55:10 PM
January 31, 2007 12:52:13 AM



First of all that was an 8800 GTS not GTX for $399

The PSU you chose is not good... Rated a Teir 5 PSU. The Mushkin HP would have been a better choice at Teir 4. Link ! :)  Better - Teir 3 $99 & enough power for the whole system

The case you chose is Not practical for a budget build... you would do much better with COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 $50

Buffalo Ram is just fine, But you could get These for less and with a combo LCD monitor G.SKILL 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 DDR2 800 $184

The P5B is a good board but the P5B - E is cheaper and you don't need SLI
ASUS P5B-E LGA 775 Intel P965 $150

CPU you chose has a locked multiplier... this one does not. You can easily adjust the multiplier for a quick overclock and a little voltage increase if needed. If you think you want to give it a shot you can really get a lot of performance out of this computer. If not - then just spend the extra money and get a rated CPU and stay there. Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz 2M Cache $178

Thats about $200 dollars cheaper and NO performance decrease and the potential for Better performance.
January 31, 2007 1:01:04 AM

I agree with the poster above. You don't need the P5 with SLI and you will do fine with an E4300.

Also, if you're not getting an 8800GTS, you don't need to stick with Nvidia.

You should go with ATI for anything OTHER than 8000 series cards.
January 31, 2007 1:08:26 AM



First of all that was an 8800 GTS not GTX for $399

The PSU you chose is not good... Rated a Teir 5 PSU. The Mushkin HP would have been a better choice at Teir 4. Link ! :)  Better - Teir 3 $99 & enough power for the whole system

The case you chose is Not practical for a budget build... you would do much better with COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 $50

Buffalo Ram is just fine, But you could get These for less and with a combo LCD monitor G.SKILL 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 DDR2 800 $184

The P5B is a good board but the P5B - E is cheaper and you don't need SLI
ASUS P5B-E LGA 775 Intel P965 $150

CPU you chose has a locked multiplier... this one does not. You can easily adjust the multiplier for a quick overclock and a little voltage increase if needed. If you think you want to give it a shot you can really get a lot of performance out of this computer. If not - then just spend the extra money and get a rated CPU and stay there. Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz 2M Cache $178

Thats about $200 dollars cheaper and NO performance decrease and the potential for Better performance.

Thanks for all the help and saving alot of money. Would the case still work though? I like it for the looks and it seems to have ample workspace inside. I know its a "budget" build but I can fit it in still.

I thought I might as well get the GTX so this is the new build thanks to PCAnalyst =)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

overall cost of 1500 dollars, just within budget. seems pretty okay for a new gaming build.
January 31, 2007 1:20:33 AM

The Muskin was specifically chosen by me because of the 4 12V rails with 20Amps each, and it was for $120 with $20 off on newegg.
I highly doubt it's a bad PSU.

anyways.... the G.Skill ram he suggested should serve you well with the E4300.
January 31, 2007 1:26:09 AM

k cool. I know most parts are idealistically compatible but realistically dont work out well. whats the ETA on building a computer? 10 hrs?
January 31, 2007 1:28:41 AM

There is no point in using such a powerful videocard on such a bad monitor. Get something with higher resolution or you are going to run into wall in regards to image quality. Also I would trust a noname brand for long term quality.

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Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 Conroe 2.13GHZ 1066FSB 2MB Retail

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the price is 1607.

But if you get the gskill ram from the other place, and there is also a 50 dollar rebate on the videocard. Then you will be slightly under 1500 dollars. If you are overclocking, I recommend you get a better heatsink. Although you might get good results right away with a stock, you don't want your temp at like 80 degrees plus when you are gaming.

Crap I forgot the Mb but I recommend the DS3 gigabyte.

Unfortunately this pushes this computer 120 dollar over budget.

I did this on canadian based NCIX which just happen to sell to the usa too, I am thinking that since us prices are lower, I am still thinking you could still get the above under budget.
January 31, 2007 1:30:43 AM

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There is no point in using such a powerful videocard on such a bad monitor. Get something with higher resolution or you are going to run into wall in regards to image quality. Also I would trust a noname brand for long term quality.


ill take that in mind..ill prob look for a lower screen inchange but higher quality
January 31, 2007 1:36:28 AM

Why are you getting the Seagate IDE drive instead of the SATA? Also for $5 more you can get a 16MB rather than 8MB cache.

The SATA 16MB cache was not available yesterday, but it's back in stock today. Just a thought!
January 31, 2007 1:41:09 AM

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The Muskin was specifically chosen by me because of the 4 12V rails with 20Amps each, and it was for $120 with $20 off on newegg.
I highly doubt it's a bad PSU.

anyways.... the G.Skill ram he suggested should serve you well with the E4300.


To be honest Gundam... when I looked at the specs of the PSU you posted I was suprized that it had high amperage across the 12v rail. I once read that having that many rails was detrimental to the performance of the PSU.

It has a good amount of voltage protection both under & over... along with some other nice ammenities... I was expecting it to be at least a Teir 2 PSU after reviewing its specs.

My only suggestion at this point would be to PM mpilchfamily who is the resident power supply expert for the forums and ask him if it is of quality design... he is very helpful and I am sure will help you decide.
January 31, 2007 1:45:58 AM

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Why are you getting the Seagate IDE drive instead of the SATA? Also for $5 more you can get a 16MB rather than 8MB cache.

The SATA 16MB cache was not available yesterday, but it's back in stock today. Just a thought!


I concurr... I didn't notice that you had the IDE model.

The larger cache and SATA interface will give you greater benefit by far.
January 31, 2007 1:49:33 AM

You did not say if you were going to o/c. The current thinking is the E4300 can o/c to 3.0 mhz easily and with less costy RAM amd MB.

Big Al in Seattle
January 31, 2007 2:00:35 AM

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You did not say if you were going to o/c. The current thinking is the E4300 can o/c to 3.0 mhz easily and with less costy RAM amd MB.
Big Al in Seattle


But he did inquire about overclocking... Something that will force him to learn about the inner workings of the mysterious box-o-light.

And what better way to start than with a low cost potential powerhouse of a CPU like the E4300.

The CPU is relatively easy to OC... its the RAM you may get in a twist about.

Goto Forumz > Hardware > Overclocking > CPU... and at the top of the forums is a guide written by "wusy" who gives a step by step lesson on getting the most out of your Intel Core 2 Duo CPU. LINK
January 31, 2007 2:02:24 AM

I built a e6400 based computer using a scythe cooler that cost only 30 dollars, and I was at 3.5 ghz using only 1.36 volts. This was on a 120 dollar mb and my high temps were only 48C running dual prime 95 and orthos. This was stable for 12 hours. I think the price difference is worth it between the e6400 and the e4300. The recent e6400 are crazy for overclocking.
January 31, 2007 2:03:04 AM

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Why are you getting the Seagate IDE drive instead of the SATA? Also for $5 more you can get a 16MB rather than 8MB cache.

The SATA 16MB cache was not available yesterday, but it's back in stock today. Just a thought!


thanks for the tip..just switched those out and saved some money. \

last thing to decide is the monitor..http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=168...
I think that'll do until I can save up for a newer monitor. Has 5ms response time and 1680x1050 with an 800:1 contrast.

as for OC'ing, for the current budget, I'll use the E4300 for some light OC'ing with the guide until I have better knowledge of it. THis is still my first build. I can update it later and overclock higher once I have the money and the knowledge. As for all the main stuff, I think I have it down for the parts.

http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Thanks for all the help!..comes out to a grand total of around 1800 with monitor.
January 31, 2007 2:06:01 AM

Another thing to think about is the E6400 has been out longer, it is on Tom's charts and you might find one cheaper than the "new" E4300.

Big Al in Seattle
January 31, 2007 2:15:57 AM

I don't think the e4300 is that user friendly personally. To get the high clocks that people are getting( 3+ghz_, everyone need above 1.4 volts, which is quite high considered it stock voltage. Anand for example got 3.3 ghz, but had to use 1.5 volts of voltage to do it which is insane especially considering they used the stock cooler. Although this might be a testament to the stability, I bet if they did this for a month that chip would be fried, and even the best air has a hard time with 1.5 volts.
January 31, 2007 2:27:07 AM

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I don't think the e4300 is that user friendly personally. To get the high clocks that people are getting( 3+ghz_, everyone need above 1.4 volts, which is quite high considered it stock voltage. Anand for example got 3.3 ghz, but had to use 1.5 volts of voltage to do it which is insane especially considering they used the stock cooler. Although this might be a testament to the stability, I bet if they did this for a month that chip would be fried, and even the best air has a hard time with 1.5 volts.


it would work fine w/ oblivion, medieval 2, fear, bf2142 though right?
January 31, 2007 2:48:15 AM

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Why are you getting the Seagate IDE drive instead of the SATA? Also for $5 more you can get a 16MB rather than 8MB cache.

The SATA 16MB cache was not available yesterday, but it's back in stock today. Just a thought!


thanks for the tip..just switched those out and saved some money. \

last thing to decide is the monitor..http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=168...
I think that'll do until I can save up for a newer monitor. Has 5ms response time and 1680x1050 with an 800:1 contrast.

as for OC'ing, for the current budget, I'll use the E4300 for some light OC'ing with the guide until I have better knowledge of it. THis is still my first build. I can update it later and overclock higher once I have the money and the knowledge. As for all the main stuff, I think I have it down for the parts.

http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Thanks for all the help!..comes out to a grand total of around 1800 with monitor.

Good Build... though I would have to say Not on the case.

You went to the GTX huh? Good card... last you a while. But lets just consider one small hurdle now that you have chosen it.

It is 11 inches long.

Thats 1-1/2 inches longer than the GTS model... A Big Card!

Why is that important?

Your Case may not have room for it

If you look at how the bottom Harddrive bays are situated you will notice they are turned sideways... this is usually a good thing... but for a card that is right on top of it I am not sure.

As long as the cables don't get in the way... then maybe.

But great build chailvr
January 31, 2007 3:01:54 AM

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would a case like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
or this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
?
I like the style of the case I chose but it was just a vain choice :wink:
I dont mind going for either of the two above though, after all, getting the parts to fit in it is the most important part lol.


That first one looks promising for adjustability... though I have not heard much about it.

I realize you want some flash... though i would choose size, space, and airflow above other aesthetic criteria.
January 31, 2007 3:06:00 AM

Yes a e4300 will run those games, but again even a lowly amd 3500+(not that lowly) can run those games. However, the gtx 8800 get bottlenecked at even 3 ghz. I think at 1.4+ volts a e6400 could hit 3.6 ghz or more. I think if you are going with a 8800 gtx you might as well get a really decent processor with it.

Its kind of ridiculous to get a gtx 8800 with a e4300. Some may argue getting a 8800gtx is ridiculous, but I think the e6400 will get you better performance by giving you a higher clock and a better FSB speed. MHZ is alot but you have to consider FSB too, especially since you are getting very decent ram. 3xx mhz is alot different than 4xx mhz bus. The difference in price is like 50 dollars only, and you will have a higher clock with lower temps. I think that is totally worth it.

Even that overclocking guide said, at 170(And it is higher than that now) the e4300 is not a good value and a e6300 is better than it. Also the overclock they had was exceptional, and the average on the new was lower.
January 31, 2007 3:17:18 AM

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Yes a e4300 will run those games, but again even a lowly amd 3500+(not that lowly) can run those games. However, the gtx 8800 get bottlenecked at even 3 ghz. I think at 1.4+ volts a e6400 could hit 3.6 ghz or more. I think if you are going with a 8800 gtx you might as well get a really decent processor with it.

Its kind of ridiculous to get a gtx 8800 with a e4300. Some may argue getting a 8800gtx is ridiculous, but I think the e6400 will get you better performance by giving you a higher clock and a better FSB speed. MHZ is alot but you have to consider FSB too, especially since you are getting very decent ram. 3xx mhz is alot different than 4xx mhz bus. The difference is price is like 50 dollars only, and you will have a higher clock with lower temps. I think that is totally worth it.


I'll probably wait and upgrade processors once new models come out or once i can get one for like 200 dollars more if I save up.
January 31, 2007 3:20:00 AM

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would a case like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
or this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
?
I like the style of the case I chose but it was just a vain choice :wink:
I dont mind going for either of the two above though, after all, getting the parts to fit in it is the most important part lol.


That first one looks promising for adjustability... though I have not heard much about it.

I realize you want some flash... though i would choose size, space, and airflow above other aesthetic criteria.
True..I read some other reviews and I'll probably get the Tigermax. The reviews followed what you said in the way of adjustability. Thanks for all the help again, although I'll probably be on these forums again once I start getting something wrong with installing BIOS lol

and sorry to ask about yet another case but looking at xoxide cases I saw one that was specifically for gaming and looked really spacious.
http://www.xoxide.com/tank-gaming-case-black.html
or
http://www.xoxide.com/xopacl2.html

after all though, being at so many LAN partys you do have to have something to show off =)
January 31, 2007 3:24:56 AM

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Yes a e4300 will run those games, but again even a lowly amd 3500+(not that lowly) can run those games. However, the gtx 8800 get bottlenecked at even 3 ghz. I think at 1.4+ volts a e6400 could hit 3.6 ghz or more. I think if you are going with a 8800 gtx you might as well get a really decent processor with it.

Its kind of ridiculous to get a gtx 8800 with a e4300. Some may argue getting a 8800gtx is ridiculous, but I think the e6400 will get you better performance by giving you a higher clock and a better FSB speed. MHZ is alot but you have to consider FSB too, especially since you are getting very decent ram. 3xx mhz is alot different than 4xx mhz bus. The difference is price is like 50 dollars only, and you will have a higher clock with lower temps. I think that is totally worth it.


Thats a good point/s... It would probably not be wise to build a system that would have to be overclocked to get the right performance out of for that video card.

I withdraw my statement and advise you spend the extra few bucks and get a faster stock clocked CPU.

The potential to mess things up outweighs the benefit of a cheap (possible) fast CPU after an OC.

The rest is golden.
January 31, 2007 3:34:46 AM

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Yes a e4300 will run those games, but again even a lowly amd 3500+(not that lowly) can run those games. However, the gtx 8800 get bottlenecked at even 3 ghz. I think at 1.4+ volts a e6400 could hit 3.6 ghz or more. I think if you are going with a 8800 gtx you might as well get a really decent processor with it.

Its kind of ridiculous to get a gtx 8800 with a e4300. Some may argue getting a 8800gtx is ridiculous, but I think the e6400 will get you better performance by giving you a higher clock and a better FSB speed. MHZ is alot but you have to consider FSB too, especially since you are getting very decent ram. 3xx mhz is alot different than 4xx mhz bus. The difference is price is like 50 dollars only, and you will have a higher clock with lower temps. I think that is totally worth it.


Thats a good point/s... It would probably not be wise to build a system that would have to be overclocked to get the right performance out of for that video card.

I withdraw my statement and advise you spend the extra few bucks and get a faster stock clocked CPU.

The potential to mess things up outweighs the benefit of a cheap (possible) fast CPU after an OC.

The rest is golden.

K I'll add the E6400. I'll practice clocking on the old computer im replacing, only thing to salvage out of it is the sound card.
January 31, 2007 3:52:52 AM

I would get the DS3, the p version without integrated graphics from gigabyte too. Its cheaper by about 20 dollars than the Mb you want and for that price you can upgrade your heatsink to something better. The DS3 overclocks like mad and a 20 odd something heatsink may lower your core temp by 15-20 degrees which is huge!!!

Artic freezer 7 pro is pretty cheap and the stuff from scythe is pretty cheap too if you look around.
January 31, 2007 4:06:37 AM

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I would get the DS3, the p version without integrated graphics from gigabyte too. Its cheaper by about 20 dollars than the Mb you want and for that price you can upgrade your heatsink to something better. The DS3 overclocks like mad and a 20 odd something heatsink may lower your core temp by 15-20 degrees which is huge!!!

Artic freezer 7 pro is pretty cheap and the stuff from scythe is pretty cheap too if you look around.


so by heatsink do you mean like a CPU heatsink or a fan w/ heatsink?
January 31, 2007 4:14:37 AM

yes, the cpu heatsink. The ones that comes with it is no good compared to what some others have to offer for pennies.

Also the next official pricedrop I heard is april 22, which is pretty far away. I am not sure you want to wait that long. Especially since the price drop for the e6400 is like 40 dollars only.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?tid=735045&starttime=...

Also the difference in performance between 4 meg cache vs 2 megs is less than you think(referring to the new chips above) and bites into overclocking often. I would personally bite now because 3 months is a long time. However a more significant increase in price drop might be seen in the gtx8800 at the time and this might be worth waiting for but for now I just don't know how big this price drop will be.
January 31, 2007 4:19:21 AM

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yes, the cpu heatsink. The ones that comes with it is no good compared to what some others have to offer for pennies.

Also the next official pricedrop I heard is april 22, which is pretty far away. I am not sure you want to wait that long. Especially since the price drop for the e6400 is like 40 dollars only.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?tid=735045&starttime=...

Also 4 meg cache vs 2 megs is less than you think and bites into overclocking often for those new e6300 and 6400. I would personally bite now because 3 months is a long time.


yeah id like to get it sooner rather than later..i can always update then if i need to. I'm not going to be overclocking yet until i try practicing on my old comp. I'm ready to buy, the main thing is I need to get a case that will fit it all. I was thinking of the specific gamer case that Xoxion builds with plenty of space. (http://www.xoxide.com/tank-gaming-case-black.html)

what are your specs?
January 31, 2007 4:19:51 AM

Those terms are all used loosely, A heatsink is any hunk of metal attached to any heat source. When you add a fan it really becomes a cooler, which will help cool the heat sink so it can cool the CPU better. Yes for most modern rigs you will need some kind of cooler.

Big Al in Seattle
January 31, 2007 4:28:15 AM

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Those terms are all used loosely, A heatsink is any hunk of metal attached to any heat source. When you add a fan it really becomes a cooler, which will help cool the heat sink so it can cool the CPU better. Yes for most modern rigs you will need some kind of cooler.

Big Al in Seattle


Seattles one of my top dream cities to live in man. Go there and get myself a nice pad with some great landscaping and bamboo. raining alot. great stuff. I heard something about liquid cooling..is that pretty expensive? I'm planning on bringing in the fans I have to a local computer place and getting some heatsinks for them.
January 31, 2007 4:29:54 AM

nothing special e6400 overclocked to 3.42 ghz, with scythe infinity cooling it(I am not maxing it as my voltage is like 1.35volts) and some ocz pc2 6400. Only running a 7600gt on it but for a 110 dollar video card I can't complain.

For cases you have 2 things. Air flow and aluminum or steel. Size can be an issue but for the most part it isn't. Aluminum cools about 2 degrees(ambient) that steel which isn't that significant. Also Room matter for the components you get. I am not sure that xoxide will fit the videocard for as you can see the front drive cage blocks the length of the card there possibly and I think that open area is 10.5 inches long, the exact length of the videocard in question.(long at mb size on the case page). I wouldn't risk it.
January 31, 2007 4:34:03 AM

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nothing special e6400 overclocked to 3.42 ghz, with scythe infinity cooling it(I am not maxing it as my voltage is like 1.35volts) and some ocz pc2 6400. Only running a 7600gt on it but for a 110 dollar video card I can't complain.

For cases you have 2 things. Air flow and aluminum or steel. Size can be an issue but for the most part it isn't. Aluminum cools about 2 degrees(ambient) that steel which isn't that significant. Also Room matter for the components you get. I am not sure that xoxide will fit the videocard for as you can see the front drive cage blocks the length of the card there possibly and I think that open area is 10.5 inches long, the exact length of the videocard in question.(long at mb size on the case page). I wouldn't risk it.

yeah my 2 fav cases seem to not fit it then. so what exact part am I looking at to see if it fits?
January 31, 2007 4:36:34 AM

Only things you have to worry about extra cooling is the CPU, Vid card and sometimes the HDD if you have 2-3 stuffed in there.

Not sure what you mean by getting heatsinks for your fans.

If you want to move here, you best have bucks as this area is going nuts on any place to live.

Big Al in Seattle
January 31, 2007 4:37:55 AM

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Only things you have to worry about extra cooling is the CPU, Vid card and sometimes the HDD if you have 2-3 stuffed in there.

Not sure what you mean by getting heatsinks for your fans.

If you want to move here, you best have bucks as this area is going nuts on any place to live.

Big Al in Seattle


here too, glad my familys been here for a while though. try checking up prices in montecito, california. they're skyyy high.
January 31, 2007 4:40:17 AM

You see the motherboard area? Basically you want a inch or two in the videocard area to extend beyond that motherboard area.

See the mb area, and there is a little extra room beyond it.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17956&vpn=VD...

you want that.

I think the best thing to do is buy a case locally. Hopefully you live near somewhere with good prices and you can judge a cases storage capacity inside. If the price isn't good locally, look at the selection there, remember the name and buy it online. Sometimes a case looks better in person or worse.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
How this case. I believe it has that area I was talking about.
January 31, 2007 5:01:18 AM

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You see the motherboard area? Basically you want a inch or two in the videocard area to extend beyond that motherboard area.

See the mb area, and there is a little extra room beyond it.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17956&vpn=VD...

you want that.

I think the best thing to do is buy a case locally. Hopefully you live near somewhere with good prices and you can judge a cases storage capacity inside. If the price isn't good locally, look at the selection there, remember the name and buy it online. Sometimes a case looks better in person or worse.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
How this case. I believe it has that area I was talking about.


Looks nice, I could probably mod it with red LED lighting. I just emailed a case modding company to see if the card would fit with 1" spacing in one of their Tank Gaming Cases. Thanks for all the help though, now I know what to look for.
January 31, 2007 5:32:15 AM

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I assume you meant to say the E4300 Parge.
The E4300 would be more "bang for the buck" than the E6400 since you can easily OC it past the E6400 speeds.
For the PSU, If you're able to afford that PSU then I'd suggest this Antec
and HIGHLY recommend this Mushkin psu.
Well thats if it fits in your budget.
Of course there are some PSU that would be worth more for the money but I'm not sure about their quality.


Yeah, I do mean an e4300, I am just being a spastic
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