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8800GTS worth the $$$ or x1950 xt?

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January 30, 2007 5:39:23 PM

Hello all,

I am looking to upgrade my system for vanguard soh. I am currently chopping it up with 9700pro /barf

What I was wondering is if the 8800gts is really worth the 369.99 (after MIR) or if I should just get the x1950xt for 216.99(after MIR)?

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January 30, 2007 7:04:22 PM

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Hello all,

I am looking to upgrade my system for vanguard soh. I am currently chopping it up with 9700pro /barf

What I was wondering is if the 8800gts is really worth the 369.99 (after MIR) or if I should just get the x1950xt for 216.99(after MIR)?


Vanguard's graphics are rather pale in comparison to other games currently launching.

I'd imagine you won't have any trouble running Vanguard @ max settings with 4x AA thrown in on an X1950XT. You could probably even get away with an X1950 Pro.

Sapphire 1950 Pro for 180, 160 after rebate
January 30, 2007 8:07:58 PM

The 8800GTS is worth it even before the rebate. If you got the cash go for it, if not the X1950XT is a good contender. What are the rest of the specs in your computer? You'll most likely need a new powersupply no matter what card you go with.
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January 31, 2007 3:15:28 AM

I have a feeling Vanguard performance will be more greatly benefited from a lot of RAM and a high-end CPU.

Here are the Recommended System Specs:
Windows® 2000/XP/Vista
100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer
100% DirectX 9.0c compatible keyboard or input device
Processor 3.0 GHz Intel or 3500+ AMD processor
2 GB RAM
Vertex and Pixel Shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 256MB of texture memory
DirectX compatible audio hardware
Broadband Internet Connection
16X Speed DVD-ROM
20 Gigabytes Hard Drive Space

An X1950XT would meet the recommended specs, but if you want guaranteed performance at high settings, the GTS would be the obvious choice. If you're tight on cash, get the XT and don't look back. It's a great card for what it is.

Link: http://mmostrategyguides.com/vanguard/system_requiremen...
January 31, 2007 5:48:22 AM

Well here in Canada the GTS is 520$ and I would never shell out that kind of money on a stupid video card. The X1950XT (320$?) is the most expensive I'd buy. Heck, it'll do just fine, at least, with most games for the next 2 years.
January 31, 2007 1:15:32 PM

i have a 8800GTS an it owns
100fps with 16x AA and AF, it runs all games with ease and has the path to play DX10 in a few months, 640mb ram and a awesome gpu cant go wrong, just gget a decent psu
January 31, 2007 10:13:22 PM

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Heck, it'll do just fine, at least, with most games for the next 2 years.


DX10 will murder the x1950. If you have the money go for the 8800, you wont regret it.
January 31, 2007 10:39:23 PM

definitely go for 8800gts
January 31, 2007 10:43:13 PM

I vote to get the x1950 XT.
By the times there are games good enough to use the power of a 8800 GTS, better cards will be out.
If you need speed now, the 8800 is faster for DX9 games.

If you are running on a 1280x1024 screen, then the 8800 GTS might be enough to handle anything over the next year anyway - so no need to upgrade anytime soon.

I want to get a 2560x 1600 monitor, so even a 8800 GTX comes up a bit short. Waiting for the X2800 XTX 1 gig or something better.
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January 31, 2007 10:43:56 PM

If your budget will allow it, get the GTS.
It will own all current games and is DX10 ready.
If it costs a little much for you the X1950XT will still treat you good.
January 31, 2007 10:50:25 PM

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Heck, it'll do just fine, at least, with most games for the next 2 years.


DX10 will murder the x1950. If you have the money go for the 8800, you wont regret it.

You got any benchmarks to prove that :?:
January 31, 2007 10:56:31 PM

lol

3DMark 06


Quake 4 - v1.2


Call Of Duty 2 - v1.3


Company Of Heroes - v1.2


Far Cry v1.4 - HDR 7


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January 31, 2007 11:53:18 PM

Wow how did you get dx10 benchmarks. 8O Last time i checked Quake 4 and Company of Heroes ran on dx9.
February 1, 2007 12:43:28 AM

If you can hold on a month or two, maybe there'll be DX10 cards out in the 200-300$ range available
February 1, 2007 1:44:37 AM

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Wow how did you get dx10 benchmarks. 8O Last time i checked Quake 4 and Company of Heroes ran on dx9.


I assumed that a_Jhawk was talking about dx10 card's perf. in dx9 games.
February 1, 2007 1:49:44 AM

Then this is just a misunderstanding because i was referring to the "DX10 will murder the x1950..." part. As in the 1950 series will preform poorly in dx10 games (which will still be using dx9 btw ).
February 1, 2007 9:02:52 AM

Hi stranger.
Go for the 8800GTS! I have 2 in SLI and it rocks bigtime!
Also, if you ever get vista and you want to run DX10, you will need it, as it is the first and only card to support it! Look to the future!
Wacky :wink:
February 1, 2007 10:15:24 AM

I'm waiting for the 8800 GTS 320mb to hit the shelves, which will drive ATI's prices down some more, and then I'll snatch the 1950xt, install an aftermarket heatsink, overclock to 1950xtx speeds, and sit back with a stupid yet satisfied grin on my face.
a b U Graphics card
February 1, 2007 10:26:46 AM

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Hi stranger.
Go for the 8800GTS! I have 2 in SLI and it rocks bigtime!
Also, if you ever get vista and you want to run DX10, you will need it, as it is the first and only card to support it! Look to the future!
Wacky :wink:


Or wait for the so far semi-mythical R600.
February 1, 2007 10:57:59 AM

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I'm waiting for the 8800 GTS 320mb to hit the shelves


Yeah, I will probably get a 320mb version. As I remember the difference between 256 and 512 RAM on most of the benchies was so minimal it wasnt worth the extra $$$. Is it that at high resolutions that the extra RAM becomes useful? (oh and what do we call a "high resolution" these days, 1680x1050?)
a c 164 U Graphics card
February 1, 2007 11:32:53 AM

Good grief you guys are bad. Did anyone bother to read the first post, or are you guys just happy to start saying nonsense? Lets review.

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I am currently chopping it up with 9700pro /barf


Last I checked, the 9700pro is an AGP card, not PCIe. My first question to the OP is "Does this new video card need to be AGP, or are you updating the entire system?" Who cares if he has an XTX or the newest DX10 card (which you don't HAVE to have to run Vista) if he's staying with his AGP motherboard? He won't be able to run it.

My next question would be "Are you upgrading the monitor also, or staying with what you have? What is your current monitor?" If he bought his monitor with the 9700pro, there is a chance that his current monitor can't display anything close to high resolutions. Why get the GTS if your monitor only goes as high as 1280x1024?

In short, my vote is being withheld until I get the information needed to cast a vote that matters.
February 1, 2007 12:01:11 PM

Quote:
Hello all,

I am looking to upgrade my system for vanguard soh. I am currently chopping it up with 9700pro /barf

What I was wondering is if the 8800gts is really worth the 369.99 (after MIR) or if I should just get the x1950xt for 216.99(after MIR)?


From what I can gather Vanguard is a MMORPG. That being said, a GPU isn't nearly as important as one might think. A MMORPG can be perfectly playable at 25 FPS where as a FPS needs a higher frame rate. In a MMORPG, you need a pretty beefy CPU and lots of RAM. It would be ideal to have an extremely fast hard drive, but that is more of a "nice thing to have" not a "necessity." There is lots of loading and decompression going on behind the scenes in a MMORPG which put strain on your CPU/RAM. GPU just isn't as taxed. From what I have seen (which obviously isn't everything), developers scale back the graphics in MMORPGs. This is of course in general.

I have a good deal of experience with this playing Lineage II, a Korean developed MMORPG (came out before WoW :wink: ). I used to play on a P4C 3.0 with a GeForce 6800 GT and 2GB of RAM. Then I upgraded to a A64 2.4GHz, 7900GTX and 2GB of RAM and you know what performance increase I saw? None. I had the same amount of RAM, and relatively the same CPU (the P4C and A64 at those speeds were *mostly* similar). I got no boost to frame rates going from a 6800 GT to 7900GTX's in SLI, honestly.

However, recently my hard drive crapped out and so I bought a new one, a Raptor 150. I saw a pretty noticeable improvement in load times when I port between cities, mainly attributed to the faster spindle speed of the Raptor, of course I also had upgraded to an Opty 165 about 2 weeks earlier, so I think it was the combo.

My thought is go with the 1950XT and save the money for something else that would be more helpful. Of course, this is assuming you don't intend to jump to Vista and DX 10 games that soon. If you do intend to jump on th e DX10 bandwagon, then the 8800GTS is the only way to go at this point.
February 1, 2007 4:21:23 PM

It doesnt matter... 1950pro comes in AGP and PCIE
a c 164 U Graphics card
February 1, 2007 5:12:29 PM

8800GTS or x1950XT, neither of which does.

Because the OP asked about these cards, I'm inclined to believe he is doing a complete overhaul. But I'd still like to know what that will include, and more info on his monitor. Oblivion and Flight Sim X might be able to tax any video card at full details, but most games won't cause that problem. The GTS is probably the card I'd pick, but I'd still like to have the answers...
February 1, 2007 5:50:19 PM

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i have a 8800GTS an it owns
100fps with 16x AA and AF


LOL depends on what games you are referring to. As the Owner of a 8800GTX that I have overclocked and a E6400@3.5 ghz along with 4gigs ddr2 running at 1000mhz 4 4 4 5 I can tell you that even with these specs not all games run at 100fps with 16XAA and AF.

what seinfeld doesn't tell you in his hasted post is that he's running games at 640x480... and he's playing DX8 games only... :thumbsup:

kidding, of course :) 

my two cents, I'd say get the 8800GTS... i'm aware you're using AGP... i assume you're doing a complete upgrade... if no, x1950
February 1, 2007 5:53:16 PM

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8800GTS or x1950XT, neither of which does.



Good point. Let's focus:

Does the OP plan on upgrading to a PCI-E platform?

If not, then we're all wasting our time.
February 2, 2007 4:01:04 AM

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Wow how did you get dx10 benchmarks. 8O Last time i checked Quake 4 and Company of Heroes ran on dx9.


I assumed that a_Jhawk was talking about dx10 card's perf. in dx9 games.

This is easy to understand. However, if you where doing the benchmarks in Vista, the results will be using the DX9L API. Actually, not much difference there anyway.
February 2, 2007 1:46:37 PM

I know flight sim X is s'posed to use DX10. Has anyone actually tested it yet (i.e. review sites)?



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February 2, 2007 2:28:46 PM

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I know flight sim X is s'posed to use DX10. Has anyone actually tested it yet (i.e. review sites)?



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I never saw any DX10 game actually running in DX10.
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