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<b>What Audio Compression Technology you use for storing music?</b>
I use OGG Vorbis. The latest version gives outstanding sound quality at low birate.

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I always use MP3... maybe there are better formats, but I'm just to lazy to switch. And my MP3CD-man only plays the MP3 format... so it is easier just to let it in MP3 format for me. I try to get all my songs atleast at 128KB/s quality.

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Reply to svol
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Actually it's 128Kbits not KBytes!

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Reply to Eden

MP3, though all my songs are @ 320Kbits quality. They sound nice hehe.

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Reply to Flamethrower205
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Thanks... I already expected that I was wrong at that point... but I trusted Winamp.

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Reply to svol

Since you don't care about file size, why not you use monkey's audio?

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

Monkey's audio? Haven't heard of it....do explain.

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To me, after 196Kbits, I don't see much difference. Like high volume.

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Reply to Eden

Monkey's Audio is a lossless audio compression format. It gives best compression among all lossless audio compressors. To find all info about this format go <A HREF="http://www.monkeysaudio.com" target="_new"> here </A>. Official website of Monkey's Audio

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To me, after 196Kbits, I don't see much difference



Correction: 192 kbps instead of 196 kbps

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

I've been meaning to checkout out OGG and ACC.

But I looked around for the ACC codec; no dice, except for a commandline version. And I've not looked into OGG very much.

If I had the codec, ACC is what I'd be using. As of right now, I don't use .mp3's. Mp3's suck ass, and it's very obviously an ass, with classical music. Which is just about the only thing I listen to...

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Reply to ejsmith2

Cool, it's even got the source. Me likes.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Will it prevent you from creating 320 kbps MP3 further?

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

What do you think about OGG, the lastest version gives the best sounding audio at very low 45 kbps nominal birate. Vorbis works with VBR very well. For any kind of audio, you can do with max. 128 kbps nominal birate. 45 to 64 kbps is very nice for rock tunes.

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

Currently most of the audio I have is Mp3 @ 128 kbits.
I´m planing on experimenting with Ogg, but until it has wider support I think I´ll stick with Lame.

I´m also glad to see that no one is using WMA. It sucks!

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Reply to Ghostdog

OGG has quite good support. Winamp, Sonique, Musicmatch (may be) supports OGG. There is also DirectShow filter available that allows OGG vorbis playing in Windows Media Player. I tested it on WMP 6.4 and 7, it works. Doesn't work on WMP 9 beta, don't know about XP media player. Quick Time plug-in is also available. Works upto QT v5. And there is mny of CD rippers that supports OGG. IMO, CDex is the best among them. You can set tag of a OGG file from windows file property dialog using a program. There is also app. available for mass tagging vorbis files. The only thing I miss that is there's no CD burning app. that supports OGG. This is not a big problem since you can convert OGG files in WAV file using CDex. And many people prefer to burn audio CD from WAV file than MP3.

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I´m also glad to see that no one is using WMA. It sucks!


hehe, I was using WMA till last month. Now I have swithced to OGG.


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Reply to Spitfire_x86

Why nobody uses MP3 Pro? It's a good format. (But OGG vorbis is the best)

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

It depends. Most people I know when referring to music file only know mp3 (have no idea about wav or other stuff) so I dun want them to flip out. Though it is amusing to prove someone an idiot:)

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Actually I'm glad that some attention is given to (compressed) audio. For the last few years I have worked as an audio engineer and I think that I'm therefore rather "spoiled" when it comes to sound quality. My impression is that pc audio quality gets gradually worse. Lately I've read something about MP3pro. I havent heard it yet, but the sound quality at 64 kBps is supposed to be as good as MP3 at 128 kBs. If this means what I think it does, then I'm afraid that this will cause a new "standard" meaning that people will accept this lower quality to be "good enough" where MP3 already sounds so much less than a CD or .WAV audio and gets worse rapidly. Eventually this will lead to a further loss in audio quality and that will be generally accepted because it saved a few more kB per file. Personally I wouldn't accept such poor quality. I mean: today just about everyone has a 20+ GB harddrive and more than 500 Mhz under the hood. Why would one be so eager to save a few magabytes and a few % of cpu power, when you loose so much sound as well?! Those things (in my opinion) aren't such an issue anymore. But maybe I'm being too conservative. I'm about to try Monkey audio and see what it does. Maybe it can relieve my fears a little.

Are there any more ideas on this topic? I would be glad to share my thoughts with more audio enthousiasts.

Reply to jamesblond

Monkey's audio will compress your WAV files upto 50% . WAV files compressed with MS ADPCM codec seems more practical to me. It can shrink file size to 25% of the original file. Though it's not theoritically lossless like monkey's audio, practically it sounds lossless.

Why not try OGG Vorbis? It gives outstanding sound quality at low birates like 45 kbps. I had to use max. 96 kbps to maintain quality. In case of MP3, it was 192 kbps.

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Eventually this will lead to a further loss in audio quality and that will be generally accepted because it saved a few more kB per file



By using OGG Vorbis instead of MP3, you can store about 35 to 50% more minutes of music in a 650 MB CD. And in case of HDD space, if you can save 1 GB in 3 GB, it's a big gain- regardless of disk capacity.

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what mp3 encoders have you listend to? i think an educated user of lame can create very decent sounding mp3s. on the other hand, we have xing. that is the worst mp3 encoder there is. it makes every thing sound like your under water. but if you tried the more advanced features of lame, i bet even the "golden ears" couldnt tell them apart from normal wavs.

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Reply to jihiggs

Agree with you. There's no MP3 Encoder available better than Lame

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On the subject of mp3 and wma (because my music collection is mostly comprised of these formats), I recently bought a Denon PMA-655R stereo amplifier and a pair of B&W DM303s and have connected them to my sound card. Before this, I had connected my PC to an Aiwa carry component system. Well, I'm not going to encode mp3s beneath [at least] 224 kbit/s again. The difference between CD and mp3 versions of the same song show themselves very clearly now that I have this precision system. Above 192 kbits/s the difference isn't day and night but it's still there. I don't like WMA. It sounds artificial IMHO even when you encode at 160 Kbits/s.

/me wishes he'd encoded all his music in 320Kbit/s format :( Regarding Ogg and MP3-Pro. Does anyone have a link to a rock tune encoded in all the formats available so one can audition them all?! Also didn't a website test and compare all these compression formats a while ago? Does anyone have a link to them?

Reply to r2k

OGG is the best audio codec now. Its version 1.0 is a MP3 and WMA killer. OGG handles VBR very well. In gives outstanding sound quality in 45 kbps nominal birate compared to other codecs. In classical tunes, I had to use 64 to 96 kbps nominal birate. Further experiments may force me to use 112 or 128 kbps. For rock music, I have used 45 to 64 kbps. I haven't tested OGG enough with rock tunes. I am going to test it with some Phil Collins songs soon, from Disney's Tarzan animated film. I encoded this music before with WMA, MP3 and MP3 Pro. For WMA, it sounded unacceptable under 128 kbps, MP3 under 192 kbps and MP3 Pro under 96 kbps. For OGG, I think I may have to use a birate from 96 to 128 kbps. Anyway, its a common thing that rock tunes require less birate than classical tunes.

MP3 Pro is the only codec what is able to challenge OGG in terms of quality. In some cases, OGG and MP3 are same, sometimes OGG is betters and sometimes MP3 Pro is better. But OGG is much more compatible than MP3 pro. This is my reason for using OGG. For people who don't use warez things like me, their choice should be OGG. Because free MP3 Pro Encoder allows encoding only at 64 kbps.

I don't know a website that lets you listen to a file coded with different codec and different birates. They review codecs and give some "mark" based on their experience. I don't trust these reviews. I care only about the results of my personal experiments.

I don't have speedy internet connection (my connection type -- 33.6 kbps dial-up). So I can't let you listen to my selected experiment tunes. I hope to experiment with Phil Collins/Tarzan soon. I will post my experience here. I can also let you know my experience via e-mail, if you want. After testing with these tunes, I will be able to say I have nothing more to test with OGG.

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

See, now that's the catch.

Try ripping Toccata and Fugue in D-minor to .mp3. It's a pretty good testbed.

Listen to the cd analog, then play the .mp3.

It will be obvious (painfully, if you listen to classical music a lot and *know* what T&F should be sounding like) that .mp3 sucks goatse.

Now, I've not ever gone through and checked out wmv and acc with my little "test". So I know not what they are truely like. But since it's obvious to me that mp3's really cutoff those higher bands, I only keep them for vocal music. Or stuff that I absolutely cannot find anywhere else, unless I import it from Japan or India.



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