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Anonymous
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February 20, 2005 6:14:30 PM

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I had a MVP nominate himself, so any MVP that wants or needs to be
inducted into the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, please feel free to drop
me an email!

So without any further ado, the newest inductee to the Microscum MVP
Hall of Shame, by his own request, is:

Robert Moir - MicroMoron!
http://microscum.com/rmoir/

Congratulations Robert!

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Anonymous
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February 20, 2005 6:14:31 PM

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Troll.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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>I had a MVP nominate himself, so any MVP that wants or needs to be inducted
>into the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, please feel free to drop me an email!
>
> So without any further ado, the newest inductee to the Microscum MVP Hall
> of Shame, by his own request, is:
>
> Robert Moir - MicroMoron!
> http://microscum.com/rmoir/
>
> Congratulations Robert!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
Anonymous
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February 20, 2005 6:56:08 PM

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I would like to PROUDLY nominate David Candy, for his OUTSTANDING (futile)
attempts.
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Anonymous
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February 20, 2005 7:18:03 PM

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LowerEastSide wrote:
> I would like to PROUDLY nominate David Candy, for his OUTSTANDING
> (futile) attempts.

David is not a MVP anymore, and hasn't been for quite awhile.

What futile attempts? When he gives advice, it is usually very good
from what I've read, and those that have the most problems with him are
mainly those not bright enough to understand him, or those with a bat up
their arse and have absolutely no sense of humor.

There are a few MVPs that are deserving of induction into the Microscum
MVP Hall of Shame, much more so than David.

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Anonymous
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February 20, 2005 7:28:46 PM

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> Troll.
>

Quite original! Let me know who your ghost writer is, because you
surely didn't come up with that all on your own, and I'm looking for
someone to write my replies for when I'm too busy.

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Anonymous
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February 20, 2005 8:18:12 PM

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Do you "really" have to be an MVP to get nominated (-;

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:o M%23BMj4FFHA.560@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>I had a MVP nominate himself, so any MVP that wants or needs to be inducted
>into the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, please feel free to drop me an email!
>
> So without any further ado, the newest inductee to the Microscum MVP Hall
> of Shame, by his own request, is:
>
> Robert Moir - MicroMoron!
> http://microscum.com/rmoir/
>
> Congratulations Robert!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
Anonymous
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February 20, 2005 10:19:06 PM

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Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
> Do you "really" have to be an MVP to get nominated (-;

Well, who do you have in mind?

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 12:47:31 AM

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As what, an MVP or a troll? <smirk>


Bill


kurttrail wrote:
> Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
>> Do you "really" have to be an MVP to get nominated (-;
>
> Well, who do you have in mind?
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 11:09:33 AM

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Bill Drake wrote:
> As what, an MVP or a troll? <smirk>

Although you may think the two should be mutually exclusive, in reality,
they aren't/

Going around calling individuals thieves and pirates for wanting to
fairly use the very expensive copyrighted software that was sold to
them, is, in fact trolling.

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 11:59:59 AM

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But thank you for your nomination.

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"LowerEastSide" <Notme@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:%23J3r054FFHA.2564@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I would like to PROUDLY nominate David Candy, for his OUTSTANDING (futile)
> attempts.
>
>
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 12:49:11 PM

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You were sold the licenses, not the software.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Bill Drake wrote:
>> As what, an MVP or a troll? <smirk>
>
> Although you may think the two should be mutually exclusive, in reality,
> they aren't/
>
> Going around calling individuals thieves and pirates for wanting to fairly
> use the very expensive copyrighted software that was sold to them, is, in
> fact trolling.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 12:52:01 PM

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>


Now, Colin, don't try to confuse Kurt with the facts. His mind is made up.


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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 1:32:36 PM

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It's so hard to resist... ;) 

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"Bruce Chambers" <bruce_a_chambers@h0tmail.com> wrote in message
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> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>
>
>
> Now, Colin, don't try to confuse Kurt with the facts. His mind is made
> up.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
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>
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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 1:47:21 PM

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Kurt "never" trolls (-:

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"Bill Drake" <bdrake@telus.net> wrote in message
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> As what, an MVP or a troll? <smirk>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
>>> Do you "really" have to be an MVP to get nominated (-;
>>
>> Well, who do you have in mind?
>
>
February 21, 2005 3:30:23 PM

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So? If someone (let's just use the term "license" as you use in this
instance for now) BOUGHT the license, should they then be deemed thieves and
pirates for using their "paid for" license (software) for their personal
use?

Look up in the dictionary "Thief", and see if one of the definitions state
"making legal purchases and using said purchases for personal use".

Look up "piracy" and see if there is a definition "making legal purchases
and using said purchases for personal use"

Now, consider what breaking an agreement is, and find where that translates
into thievery and piracy.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
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> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
> news:ea8uYaBGFHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Bill Drake wrote:
>>> As what, an MVP or a troll? <smirk>
>>
>> Although you may think the two should be mutually exclusive, in reality,
>> they aren't/
>>
>> Going around calling individuals thieves and pirates for wanting to
>> fairly use the very expensive copyrighted software that was sold to them,
>> is, in fact trolling.
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>
>
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 5:09:43 PM

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>

That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a copy of
software had already taken place.

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 5:09:44 PM

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kurttrail wrote:
> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>
>>You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>
>
>
> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a copy of
> software had already taken place.
>


Don't forget to read the outside of the packaging, where it says the
same thing.


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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 5:09:44 PM

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It is public knowledge that Microsoft software is licensed unless stated "OK
to share with friends" (which does appear on some items, like the Security
CD Feb 2004 and the Service Pack 2 CD). Microsoft publishes this on their
websites. A store not making a big point about licensing does not break the
license between you and Microsoft.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>
>
> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a copy of
> software had already taken place.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 5:10:52 PM

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Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>
>
>
> Now, Colin, don't try to confuse Kurt with the facts. His mind is
> made up.

MS's EULA claim is legally unsubstantiated. That is the only fact.

http://microscum.com/bruce/

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 5:11:55 PM

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> It's so hard to resist... ;) 

Yes, spreading FUD is very hard for you MicroSycophants to resist.

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 5:37:49 PM

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Bruce Chambers wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>
>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a
>> copy of software had already taken place.
>>
>
>
> Don't forget to read the outside of the packaging, where it says the
> same thing.

It doesn't say that the copy of software isn't sold.

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 5:50:02 PM

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Robert Moir wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>> I had a MVP nominate himself, so any MVP that wants or needs to be
>> inducted into the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, please feel free to
>> drop me an email!
>>
>> So without any further ado, the newest inductee to the Microscum MVP
>> Hall of Shame, by his own request, is:
>>
>> Robert Moir - MicroMoron!
>> http://microscum.com/rmoir/
>>
>> Congratulations Robert!
>
> Finally an award to be proud of!
>
> rob

LOL! Happy to oblige! But let me say this publicly, I would not have
added you to the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, if anyone, but you,
nominated you for the dishonor! :) 

Nice Legs! ;-)

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 6:03:42 PM

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Oh Kurt,

You really did it this time. Even got me involved (-:

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Richard Urban

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If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:o M%23BMj4FFHA.560@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>I had a MVP nominate himself, so any MVP that wants or needs to be inducted
>into the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, please feel free to drop me an email!
>
> So without any further ado, the newest inductee to the Microscum MVP Hall
> of Shame, by his own request, is:
>
> Robert Moir - MicroMoron!
> http://microscum.com/rmoir/
>
> Congratulations Robert!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 6:14:54 PM

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>
>>
>> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a
>> copy of software had already taken place.
>>
> It is public knowledge that Microsoft software is licensed unless
> stated "OK to share with friends" (which does appear on some items,
> like the Security CD Feb 2004 and the Service Pack 2 CD). Microsoft
> publishes this on their websites. A store not making a big point
> about licensing does not break the license between you and Microsoft.
>

LOL! Those are free software distributions.

MS allows copies of their copyright software to be sold as retail
products. Then, AFTER THE FACT OF RETAIL SALE, MS tries to change the
fact of the retail sale in their post-sale shrink-wrap license.

NO ONE IS FORCING MS TO ALLOW THE SALE OF COPIES OF THEIR COPYRIGHTED
SOFTWARE AS A RETAIL PRODUCT.

So is MS's post-sale licensing claim legally enforceable? Just because
MS claims something in their license doesn't make it legally so. MS is
not a law unto itself.

Most of the public are totally ignorant of MS's post-sale shrink-wrap
licensing scheme, and it shows how desperate you really are that you
have to try to deceive with your false claim of "public knowledge!"

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 6:24:49 PM

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Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
> Oh Kurt,
>
> You really did it this time. Even got me involved (-:

LOL! I don't know how my thread turned out this way! I was expecting
this to be more of a lark, not yet another battle in the EULA Wars!

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Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 6:44:04 PM

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I am laughing so hard I can hardly see the screen!

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Richard Urban

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You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
>> Oh Kurt,
>>
>> You really did it this time. Even got me involved (-:
>
> LOL! I don't know how my thread turned out this way! I was expecting
> this to be more of a lark, not yet another battle in the EULA Wars!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
February 21, 2005 8:54:32 PM

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"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote

> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery. EVERY
computer web site says "software", not "licences".

Alias
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 8:54:33 PM

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If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
through it during an install, that's your issue.

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"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>
>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>
> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery. EVERY
> computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>
> Alias
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 9:47:11 PM

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
| It is public knowledge that Microsoft software is licensed unless
| stated "OK to share with friends" (which does appear on some items,
| like the Security CD Feb 2004 and the Service Pack 2 CD). Microsoft
| publishes this on their websites. A store not making a big point
| about licensing does not break the license between you and Microsoft.
|
|| Colin Barnhorst wrote:
||| You were sold the licenses, not the software.
|||
||
|| That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a
|| copy of software had already taken place.
||
|| --
|| Peace!
|| Kurt

If MS forced the issue with the XP software OEM full version they would
lose a big portion of their customer base. Were not talking selling
apples on
a street corner, we are talking a worldwide distribution. I used my OEM
copy
of XP on a P3, a P4 Celeron and now a P4 HT. If that software was tied
to the P3 I would have had to use other means and not even use MS. This
would involve a codzillion MS users around the globe. I don't think
that it is
enforcable because MS has not enforced the issue.
Another issue is the rewording of the EULA from gold to SP1 then again
to
SP2.
February 21, 2005 9:51:16 PM

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"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote

> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
> through it during an install, that's your issue.

Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is
English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I made
it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not "licences".
Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*?
--
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>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>
>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>
>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>
>> Alias
>>
>
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 9:51:17 PM

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I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my
comprehension skills are fine. If you install software without reading
through the EULA then the problem is not comprehension, but reading at all.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
news:37ulcaF5h5un1U1@individual.net...
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>
>> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
>> through it during an install, that's your issue.
>
> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
> EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is
> English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I
> made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not
> "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*?
> --
> Alias
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>
>>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 9:51:18 PM

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What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you
software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments,
appliance departments etc.

Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you that you
have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the license
department - did they?

Based upon that fact, and that even Microsoft offers you software downloads
(not license downloads) I think I also am going to begin to state that I OWN
the "software". The license that was in the package is ancillary to the fact
of my purchase, and I don't really have to even read it.

The software is mine, whether I have a license or not!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ueUkxBEGFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my
>comprehension skills are fine. If you install software without reading
>through the EULA then the problem is not comprehension, but reading at all.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
> news:37ulcaF5h5un1U1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>
>>> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
>>> through it during an install, that's your issue.
>>
>> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
>> EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is
>> English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I
>> made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not
>> "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*?
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>
>>>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>>>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 9:51:19 PM

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:47:43 -0500, Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
>
> What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you
> software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments,
> appliance departments etc.
>
> Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you that you
> have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the license
> department - did they?

And the simple fact is that the store that sold it didn't provide full
disclosure while MS does clearly provide it. Maybe you should be
complaining to the stores since they are the ones not providing the
information to the customers - MS clearly makes this information available
to any that ask/look for it.

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February 21, 2005 9:51:19 PM

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Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
> What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you
> software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments,
> appliance departments etc.
>
> Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you
> that you have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the
> license department - did they?
>
> Based upon that fact, and that even Microsoft offers you software
> downloads (not license downloads) I think I also am going to begin to
> state that I OWN the "software". The license that was in the package
> is ancillary to the fact of my purchase, and I don't really have to
> even read it.
> The software is mine, whether I have a license or not!

Just to clarify, you own your copy of software, MS owns the copyright to
the software.

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February 21, 2005 9:51:19 PM

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Software has become a term applied to a lot of things. You still have to
read the license to understand the difference between the generic term and
the specifics of a published edition. Even open software is licensed.

--
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(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:eI0RwWEGFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you
> software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments,
> appliance departments etc.
>
> Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you that you
> have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the license
> department - did they?
>
> Based upon that fact, and that even Microsoft offers you software
> downloads (not license downloads) I think I also am going to begin to
> state that I OWN the "software". The license that was in the package is
> ancillary to the fact of my purchase, and I don't really have to even read
> it.
>
> The software is mine, whether I have a license or not!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:ueUkxBEGFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my
>>comprehension skills are fine. If you install software without reading
>>through the EULA then the problem is not comprehension, but reading at
>>all.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>> news:37ulcaF5h5un1U1@individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
>>>> through it during an install, that's your issue.
>>>
>>> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
>>> EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is
>>> English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I
>>> made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not
>>> "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*?
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>>
>>>>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>>>>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
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February 21, 2005 9:51:20 PM

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Leythos wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:47:43 -0500, Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
>>
>> What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you
>> software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments,
>> appliance departments etc.
>>
>> Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you
>> that you have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the
>> license department - did they?
>
> And the simple fact is that the store that sold it didn't provide full
> disclosure while MS does clearly provide it. Maybe you should be
> complaining to the stores since they are the ones not providing the
> information to the customers - MS clearly makes this information
> available to any that ask/look for it.

Again, MS doesn't have to let their products be sold in retail stores,
but they do. MS tries to write the sale of the copy of software AFTER
THE FACT OF THE SALE with their post-sale shrink-wrap license.

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February 21, 2005 9:51:20 PM

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I bought the "software" and got the license. I didn't buy the license, and
get the software. I will use MY software as I see fit! I know how to use it.
I don't need no damn instructions from within the package telling me when,
where, how and why.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23uRLAsEGFHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Software has become a term applied to a lot of things. You still have to
> read the license to understand the difference between the generic term and
> the specifics of a published edition. Even open software is licensed.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:eI0RwWEGFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you
>> software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments,
>> appliance departments etc.
>>
>> Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you that
>> you have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the license
>> department - did they?
>>
>> Based upon that fact, and that even Microsoft offers you software
>> downloads (not license downloads) I think I also am going to begin to
>> state that I OWN the "software". The license that was in the package is
>> ancillary to the fact of my purchase, and I don't really have to even
>> read it.
>>
>> The software is mine, whether I have a license or not!
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>>
>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:ueUkxBEGFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my
>>>comprehension skills are fine. If you install software without reading
>>>through the EULA then the problem is not comprehension, but reading at
>>>all.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>> news:37ulcaF5h5un1U1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
>>>>> through it during an install, that's your issue.
>>>>
>>>> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
>>>> EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is
>>>> English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I
>>>> made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not
>>>> "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*?
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>>>>>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
February 21, 2005 9:51:21 PM

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Since you don't own the software, yes you do need instructions. You cannot
unilaterally declare the software yours. When you buy a license plate for
your car you are licensing the car to use the public roads, but you are not
buying the roads.

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(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:ucBlh%23EGFHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>I bought the "software" and got the license. I didn't buy the license, and
>get the software. I will use MY software as I see fit! I know how to use
>it. I don't need no damn instructions from within the package telling me
>when, where, how and why.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23uRLAsEGFHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Software has become a term applied to a lot of things. You still have to
>> read the license to understand the difference between the generic term
>> and the specifics of a published edition. Even open software is
>> licensed.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote
>> in message news:eI0RwWEGFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you
>>> software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments,
>>> appliance departments etc.
>>>
>>> Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you that
>>> you have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the license
>>> department - did they?
>>>
>>> Based upon that fact, and that even Microsoft offers you software
>>> downloads (not license downloads) I think I also am going to begin to
>>> state that I OWN the "software". The license that was in the package is
>>> ancillary to the fact of my purchase, and I don't really have to even
>>> read it.
>>>
>>> The software is mine, whether I have a license or not!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard Urban
>>>
>>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>>
>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ueUkxBEGFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my
>>>>comprehension skills are fine. If you install software without reading
>>>>through the EULA then the problem is not comprehension, but reading at
>>>>all.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:37ulcaF5h5un1U1@individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just
>>>>>> click through it during an install, that's your issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the
>>>>> scammy EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension
>>>>> problem? Is English not your first language? The web sites I was
>>>>> referring to and I made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say
>>>>> *software*, not "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft
>>>>> *Software*?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>>>>>>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
February 21, 2005 9:51:22 PM

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> Since you don't own the software, yes you do need instructions. You
> cannot unilaterally declare the software yours. When you buy a
> license plate for your car you are licensing the car to use the
> public roads, but you are not buying the roads.
>

He owns his copy of software, and technically, MS doesn't own the
software, but the copyright to the software.

And under copyright law, there are many limitations placed on the
exclusive rights of copyright owners, which MS tries to rewrite after
the fact of retail sale! The main limitation MS tries to rewrite is
that of "fair use."

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February 21, 2005 10:08:38 PM

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:09:43 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
>
> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>
>
> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a copy of
> software had already taken place.

So go bitch to the software seller that didn't make this public
information available to the consumer - you can't blame MS for it, they DO
make it available to the public. Start going after the resellers of the
product for misleading the customers.

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February 21, 2005 10:08:39 PM

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Leythos wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:09:43 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
>>
>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>
>>
>> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a
>> copy of software had already taken place.
>
> So go bitch to the software seller that didn't make this public
> information available to the consumer - you can't blame MS for it,
> they DO make it available to the public. Start going after the
> resellers of the product for misleading the customers.

MS allow copies of their copyright software to be sold as retail
products. It's not the stores fault that MS tries to change the fact of
the sale in their post-sale shrink-wrap license.

NO ONE IS FORCING MS TO ALLOW THE SALE OF COPIES OF THEIR COPYRIGHTED
SOFTWARE AS A RETAIL PRODUCT.

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:18:22 -0700, Bruce Chambers wrote:
>
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>
>>>You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>
>> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a copy of
>> software had already taken place.
>
> Don't forget to read the outside of the packaging, where it says the
> same thing.

Bruce, if you state facts like that he'll just have to ignore you since we
all know that the license information is fully public.

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Leythos wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:18:22 -0700, Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>>
>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>
>>> That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a
>>> copy of software had already taken place.
>>
>> Don't forget to read the outside of the packaging, where it says the
>> same thing.
>
> Bruce, if you state facts like that he'll just have to ignore you
> since we all know that the license information is fully public.

I don't ignore anyone. It is not fully public.

Would you lease a car without being able to see ALL of the terms at the
time of leasing?

Would you enter into a Loan agreement, without being able to see ALL of
the terms, at the time you sign the Loan Agreement?

Then why would you think you enter into a true software licensing
agreement at the time of purchase, in a store that sells retail
products, when you don't get to see or agree to ALL of the terms od use
at the time of purchase?

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February 21, 2005 10:21:10 PM

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"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote

>I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my
>comprehension skills are fine.

You learned English in The Republic of Texas? No wonder you have a problem!

> If you install software without reading through the EULA then the problem
> is not comprehension, but reading at all.

Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
EULA, now did I, sport? Please try to respond to content, not what you think
I typed. Can you do it?

Let me see if I can make it clearer. Go to the web sites of Walmart, Best
Buy, Longhorn Ass Kicking Trailer Park Computers, Sears, whatever, and try
and find a place to click on to buy a licence. You will ONLY find a place to
click on called "software". For some reason, when people click on that and
add XP Home to their shopping cart, they think they are buying SOFTWARE. Do
you understand me now or do you need me to go a little slower?

Alias
>
> --
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> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>
>>> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
>>> through it during an install, that's your issue.
>>
>> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
>> EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is
>> English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I
>> made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not
>> "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*?
>> --
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>>
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>
>>>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>>>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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February 21, 2005 10:21:11 PM

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:21:10 +0100, Alias wrote:
>
> Let me see if I can make it clearer. Go to the web sites of Walmart,
> Best Buy, Longhorn Ass Kicking Trailer Park Computers, Sears, whatever,
> and try and find a place to click on to buy a licence. You will ONLY
> find a place to click on called "software". For some reason, when people
> click on that and add XP Home to their shopping cart, they think they
> are buying SOFTWARE. Do you understand me now or do you need me to go a
> little slower?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1...

Seems to me that WalMart is making the XP information quite clear to
anyone that can read. They even provide the link to the System Builders
Site for licensing information!

below is an excerpt copied directly from the WalMart site:

Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals
upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional.

* This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be
transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of
this software is required to comply with the terms of the System
Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end
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Flaming people for their cultural or educational backgrounds shows ignorance
on your part.

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"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>
>>I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my
>>comprehension skills are fine.
>
> You learned English in The Republic of Texas? No wonder you have a
> problem!
>
>> If you install software without reading through the EULA then the
>> problem is not comprehension, but reading at all.
>
> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
> EULA, now did I, sport? Please try to respond to content, not what you
> think I typed. Can you do it?
>
> Let me see if I can make it clearer. Go to the web sites of Walmart, Best
> Buy, Longhorn Ass Kicking Trailer Park Computers, Sears, whatever, and try
> and find a place to click on to buy a licence. You will ONLY find a place
> to click on called "software". For some reason, when people click on that
> and add XP Home to their shopping cart, they think they are buying
> SOFTWARE. Do you understand me now or do you need me to go a little
> slower?
>
> Alias
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>> news:37ulcaF5h5un1U1@individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click
>>>> through it during an install, that's your issue.
>>>
>>> Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy
>>> EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is
>>> English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I
>>> made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not
>>> "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*?
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:37ui1uF5ki5ueU1@individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> You were sold the licenses, not the software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>>
>>>>> We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery.
>>>>> EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences".
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
February 21, 2005 10:33:42 PM

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:21:10 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>
>> Let me see if I can make it clearer. Go to the web sites of Walmart,
>> Best Buy, Longhorn Ass Kicking Trailer Park Computers, Sears, whatever,
>> and try and find a place to click on to buy a licence. You will ONLY
>> find a place to click on called "software". For some reason, when people
>> click on that and add XP Home to their shopping cart, they think they
>> are buying SOFTWARE. Do you understand me now or do you need me to go a
>> little slower?
>
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1...

From the same page "You are here: Home Page › Electronics › Computers ›
Software"

It also states: The purchaser of this *software*.

This page says nothing about a licence
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3...

I rest my case. How many Walmart clerks explain anything but "that will be
$119.98. please"?
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> Seems to me that WalMart is making the XP information quite clear to
> anyone that can read. They even provide the link to the System Builders
> Site for licensing information!
>
> below is an excerpt copied directly from the WalMart site:
>
> Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals
> upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional.
>
> * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be
> transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of
> this software is required to comply with the terms of the System
> Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:33:42 +0100, Alias wrote:
>
> This page says nothing about a licence
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3...
>
> I rest my case. How many Walmart clerks explain anything but "that will be
> $119.98. please"?

So, I don't understand you - you find an instance where WalMart, like
other vendors is not providing full disclosure about a product that it
sells, where the product manufacturer does provide this information, and
you still want to slam the Manufacturer? Why are you not going after
WalMart, Sears, and the places that market the manufacturers product
incorrectly?

You've clearly pointed out a flaw in the sales model of many companies,
but not in Microsofts.

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Leythos wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:33:42 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>
>> This page says nothing about a licence
>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3...
>>
>> I rest my case. How many Walmart clerks explain anything but "that
>> will be $119.98. please"?
>
> So, I don't understand you - you find an instance where WalMart, like
> other vendors is not providing full disclosure about a product that it
> sells, where the product manufacturer does provide this information,
> and you still want to slam the Manufacturer? Why are you not going
> after WalMart, Sears, and the places that market the manufacturers
> product incorrectly?
>
> You've clearly pointed out a flaw in the sales model of many
> companies, but not in Microsofts.

Actually the deception is MS's by allowing the sale of copies of MS
software in Retail Stores, and then trying to rewrite history with a
post-sale shrink-wrap license.

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:15:00 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

> Leythos wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:33:42 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>>
>>> This page says nothing about a licence
>>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3...
>>>
>>> I rest my case. How many Walmart clerks explain anything but "that
>>> will be $119.98. please"?
>>
>> So, I don't understand you - you find an instance where WalMart, like
>> other vendors is not providing full disclosure about a product that it
>> sells, where the product manufacturer does provide this information,
>> and you still want to slam the Manufacturer? Why are you not going
>> after WalMart, Sears, and the places that market the manufacturers
>> product incorrectly?
>>
>> You've clearly pointed out a flaw in the sales model of many
>> companies, but not in Microsofts.
>
> Actually the deception is MS's by allowing the sale of copies of MS
> software in Retail Stores, and then trying to rewrite history with a
> post-sale shrink-wrap license.

The information is PUBLIC for anyone to see, it's not hidden, and after
all of these years it's only the public's fault for not knowing. The
resellers are to blame for marketing something as something else.

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