AMD's Barcelona to "stink" in ORACLE

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To be fair .... here is a negative view on the power of Barcelona in an Oracle Environment

Good point but if the chips aren't ready/stable enough for benches then how would they get any benches? People are wanting benches for something that is going to be release ~6 months from now. If they were ready now then they would be released in a month or two, not 6.

Since when has AMD EVER had the resources to intro things the way Intel does? Considering that May release means going to production now, there will be benches soon with ES chips.

We agree on that. With the dual planes for CPU/IMC, DDR2 should actually be able to run at the rated speeds with default clocks. At least I hope so. That should increase perf for the dual cores.

Now I see the light. Charming.

what the hell is a multi-user PC game?

Commencing HyperDrool 3.0L MMmmmm My liquid nitrogen dreams of R600 @ Crossfire and QFX Barcelona

Now I see the light. Charming.

Did you really think 2 extra cores would make a difference when the 2 cores aren't faster? If so, what can I say.

By releasing a quad core type setup not to long after the introduction of commercially available Core 2 Quad chips, you're saying AMD had absolutely no interest in trying to compete with Intel?

If you are CPU bound, then extra cores can help.

Heh... seems that as time goes on you're less and less sure about getting the QFX. I wonder what you're excuse for not wasting your money will be when 8GB of ram is affordable (<$1000).

Baron,

For 3 months last year, I argued with the intelliots who were crying "C2D is a BEAST. PERIOD" because they had no factual data to back up thier claims.

You and a few others are now doing the same thing, building on unsubstantiated form AMDs marketeers. The only difference is that last year, you were on the other side of the table, calling the inteliots out when they were making unsubstanciated claims of "60-80% faster", or "2 times faster" or "40% faster". The C2Ds finally made it to market and we now know the truth.

Barcelona isnt jackshit. Barcelona inst going to be jackshit until a retail version is in the hands of a credible individual or organization who can test it fairly and provide results. Then, and only then, it may be proven to be either crap, or the greatest invention since sliced bread.

This situation is shaping up exactly like the pre release of C2D last year. Exactly. He were are in pre ES, and people are making unsubstantiated claims 40%, 3.6 times, 400%...etc. Bullshite. Barcelona does not yet exist out side of prototype silicon and nobody here, you included, knows anything about its true potential. The few AMD engineers or techs who actually do know someing and might possibly read this forum certainly arent going to talk about it, even if they wanted to.

For the love of peace and harmony, lets all just STFU and wait for the news rather than making guesses and fallacious or misguided statements. Lets avoid the same BS that went on last year with C2D, and just wait to see what reality brings, be it good or bad.

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STFU dickhead!
And get a life!
Do you need a refresher course of the forum rules? Or do you think you can just break the rules because you have X number of posts? Posts like this are an embarrassment. :?

Baron,

For 3 months last year, I argued with the intelliots who were crying "C2D is a BEAST. PERIOD" because they had no factual data to back up thier claims.

You and a few others are now doing the same thing, building on unsubstantiated form AMDs marketeers. The only difference is that last year, you were on the other side of the table, calling the inteliots out when they were making unsubstanciated claims of "60-80% faster", or "2 times faster" or "40% faster". The C2Ds finally made it to market and we now know the truth.

Barcelona isnt jackshit. Barcelona inst going to be jackshit until a retail version is in the hands of a credible individual or organization who can test it fairly and provide results. Then, and only then, it may be proven to be either crap, or the greatest invention since sliced bread.

This situation is shaping up exactly like the pre release of C2D last year. Exactly. He were are in pre ES, and people are making unsubstantiated claims 40%, 3.6 times, 400%...etc. Bullshite. Barcelona does not yet exist out side of prototype silicon and nobody here, you included, knows anything about its true potential. The few AMD engineers or techs who actually do know someing and might possibly read this forum certainly arent going to talk about it, even if they wanted to.

For the love of peace and harmony, lets all just STFU and wait for the news rather than making guesses and fallacious or misguided statements. Lets avoid the same BS that went on last year with C2D, and just wait to see what reality brings, be it good or bad.


SO now you have some other non-existent statements to find. I remember the first thing I said when I saw COre benches:

Wow, they have really improved the pre-fetch mechanism. I actually thought the combination of "Smart-Cache" etc was an implementation of RHT.

One of a many --- my real point is more or less -- double standards. I have no doubt that Barcelona is going to be a big improvment, heck 1/3 of the architectural changes follow in the footsteps of Conroe....

However, AMD doesn't even show a bench mark, just an ambiguous claim of 40% in a range of benchmarks, and it is accepted as fact in many circles (well, to be fair, some HW sites called the claims bold )... but C2D was up, running, demonstrated, and people were allowed to run their own demo files (AnandTech), inspect the bios, check the sys properties, look at what was running, version numbers etc..... and the results were met with immediate and harsh skepticism... I shared some of that skepticism to be sure, but not nearly as feverantly as some....

Technically, I will not trust in whole a body of data and conclusions coming from a company that is trying to sell me something, but I will not outright call them liars as well.... similarly, I will not reject the 40% claim AMD made, but with the ambiguity they have made it.... my skepticism is much more intense than it was with the Spring IDF Conroe benches....

Thanks for the link....

Jack
No problem.. I'm reading it and laughing my ass off. "Benchmarks lie!" ROTFL

True, but there were a couple of people using that same generic avatar. Would've confused a lesser man, but not the Ninja!

Bollocks.

Here's what Sharikou has to say on the subject of K8L vs Intel's Clovertown + future processors.

K8L, even though we have no benchmarks on it yet, is going to pre-frag all Intel's upcoming architectures What does Sharikou smoke every day?!?!

K8L, even though we have no benchmarks on it yet, is going to pre-frag all Intel's upcoming architectures What does Sharikou smoke every day?!?!
Sometimes I get the feeling that not even he believes the crap spewing forth from his mouth. Its simply.. wow. But to answer the question, its a new flava of herb. Whitish Purple Black tinted Red Green Goblin Puff Dragon Haze Rhino. It'll get you hyphy in no time. 8)


Edit: I'm not even sure what rule this violates, but someones going to be offended.

Unfortunately you can't tell if the Stink is from Barcelona over the inherent stink of Oracle. Do you ever use Oracle what a POS.

ahHAAaaa...there is the point. We dont actually know what its going to do. Certainly it should perform better, but to what level? We can guess, but no one knows for sure until its out.

Think about this. Intels head shed are no bunch of angels. They hyped crapburst so much and for so long that a lot of people had become indifferent (to some level) to their BS. So had the hyping of C2D last year turned out to be nothing more than BS, it probably wouldnt have suprised or disapointed too many people.

During the same timeframe Inel was trying to convince everyone Crapburst was the "it" CPU, AMD built a reputation as a customer oriented company who delieverd what they said they would. Look at whats happend this year. People are dissapointed with AMD over 65nm and DDR2. Why? For the most part, they achieved what AMD had planned for them. Why did people expect more? One possibility, which I believe does have some bearing is hype. Only AMD didnt hype the stuff, the fanboys did. Somehow, somewhere, for whatever reasons, people came to expect more than AMD was going to deliver, and those people were disappointed when they didnt get what they were expecting.

If people spend the next 2~4 months running around hyping Barcelona, above what may achieve, it has the potential to cause the same if not worse disapointment. If everyone gets a 40% improvement set in their heads, and AMD only delivers 20%, people are likely to blame AMD and say they failed. And the ridiculous thing is, theres absolutely nothing wrong with a 20% improvment. I have seen no offical staements from AMD yet. Ive only seen what others have seen, Some unverified specs, some that Uarch analysis you talked about in another thread, "...some guy who works for AMD said some guy at Dell told him....bla bla bla" and a whole lot of fan boys making a whole lot of claims. Did you know the lost soul Sharikou is claiming a 400% increase?Too many people making to many guesses with far to few facts to back them up.....for now.

AMD doesnt need 'help' like that right now. It looks like they are going to continue lowering their prices. Yes, that will cut into thier 'wallet', but they can deal with that. The benefit of regaining the value crown and continuing to expand market share or retaining it or, worst case slowing its errosion, is much better for them long term then a few more bucks right now. Disapointing people could threaten any progress they make doing this.

I didnt say you did. I said you called BS on the unsubstansiated, overestimated claims the fanboys were making before Intel had said anything other than "C2D is comming". And rightly so. Even if C2D had come out with a 40% improvement, at that point in time there was nothing to indiacte they would. It wasnt for several months after the initial announcements that actual specs and benchmarks started showing up. Prior to that time, everything was just BS and guesses. But again, it was Intel, so who cared.

ahHAAaaa...there is the point. We dont actually know what its going to do. Certainly it should perform better, but to what level? We can guess, but no one knows for sure until its out.

Think about this. Intels head shed are no bunch of angels. They hyped crapburst so much and for so long that a lot of people had become indifferent (to some level) to their BS. So had the hyping of C2D last year turned out to be nothing more than BS, it probably wouldnt have suprised or disapointed too many people.

During the same timeframe Inel was trying to convince everyone Crapburst was the "it" CPU, AMD built a reputation as a customer oriented company who delieverd what they said they would. Look at whats happend this year. People are dissapointed with AMD over 65nm and DDR2. Why? For the most part, they achieved what AMD had planned for them. Why did people expect more? One possibility, which I believe does have some bearing is hype. Only AMD didnt hype the stuff, the fanboys did. Somehow, somewhere, for whatever reasons, people came to expect more than AMD was going to deliver, and those people were disappointed when they didnt get what they were expecting.

If people spend the next 2~4 months running around hyping Barcelona, above what may achieve, it has the potential to cause the same if not worse disapointment. If everyone gets a 40% improvement set in their heads, and AMD only delivers 20%, people are likely to blame AMD and say they failed. And the ridiculous thing is, theres absolutely nothing wrong with a 20% improvment. I have seen no offical staements from AMD yet. Ive only seen what others have seen, Some unverified specs, some that Uarch analysis you talked about in another thread, "...some guy who works for AMD said some guy at Dell told him....bla bla bla" and a whole lot of fan boys making a whole lot of claims. Did you know the lost soul Sharikou is claiming a 400% increase?Too many people making to many guesses with far to few facts to back them up.....for now.

AMD doesnt need 'help' like that right now. It looks like they are going to continue lowering their prices. Yes, that will cut into thier 'wallet', but they can deal with that. The benefit of regaining the value crown and continuing to expand market share or retaining it or, worst case slowing its errosion, is much better for them long term then a few more bucks right now. Disapointing people could threaten any progress they make doing this.

I didnt say you did. I said you called BS on the unsubstansiated, overestimated claims the fanboys were making before Intel had said anything other than "C2D is comming". And rightly so. Even if C2D had come out with a 40% improvement, at that point in time there was nothing to indiacte they would. It wasnt for several months after the initial announcements that actual specs and benchmarks started showing up. Prior to that time, everything was just BS and guesses. But again, it was Intel, so who cared.


WTF are you talking about? I have never said anyone was lying about or hyping their architecture. Give it up.

How can you compare NetBurst to Barcelona? Barcelona is a redone K8. Unless they screw up everything it can't help but be as fast as the improvements allow, which they are quoting as 1.8x per dual core (fp) and I would say at least 1.4x (int).

Stop confusing me with other people. Oh I know what it is. You just can't stop. Let these companies do what they do and leave your personal opinions out of it.