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Anonymous
February 22, 2005 11:11:33 AM

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I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
shortcuts and remove dead entries.

If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?

Thanks.

GA
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Anonymous
February 22, 2005 11:11:34 AM

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"Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
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| I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
| Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
| have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
| shortcuts and remove dead entries.
|
| If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
|
| Thanks.
|
| GA
| --
| My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.

A good alternative is to leave XP's registry alone unless there's a specific
need to edit it. There's nothing to be gained by it unless you're having a
specific problem.
Anonymous
February 22, 2005 12:24:34 PM

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Good Morning,
Some of the Norton Utility programs, and I believe the the Win Doctor
program you are discussing is one of them, can be run directly from the
CD. The point: load up the CD and give it a try. Despite the other
comments, I used it for years without problems. After all, it will only
do what you allow.
Gene K

Gordon Abbot wrote:
> I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
> Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
> have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
> shortcuts and remove dead entries.
>
> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> GA
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Anonymous
February 22, 2005 12:26:00 PM

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The native defragger has always been in Windows. I used it with 95.

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"Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I have
>not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and shortcuts and
>remove dead entries.
>
> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> GA
> --
> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
Anonymous
February 22, 2005 12:49:42 PM

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Forget about anything Norton..

This statement also includes late model Norton motorcycles.. the best part
of a Norton was the 'Featherbed' frame..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I have
>not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and shortcuts and
>remove dead entries.
>
> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> GA
> --
> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
Anonymous
February 22, 2005 2:27:02 PM

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Hi, Gordon.

Not long after I got my first MS-DOS computer in the early 1980s, I
discovered the Norton Utilities and used them (DiskEdit was my favorite)
until the late 1990s. After Symantec bought them from Peter Norton, they
became more and more fluff and eye candy and less gut-level utilities. By
Win98, they were beginning to cause me more problems and frustration than
they were fixing. I've forgotten which was the last full SystemWorks that I
used; probably the 2000 version.

When Win2K arrived, in February 2000, NSW became unbearable for me. Win2K's
built-in utilities did nearly all that I needed done except defrag. WinXP
needs Norton even less. All I need now is protection from malware arriving
via the Internet. So I still use Norton Internet Security. The firewall
protects from outgoing exploits (malware "phoning home", maybe sending my
SSN or credit card number); the antispam is not really necessary because my
ISP filters out most of it, but it's good to have the additional filter; and
a good antivirus is essential - and NAV continues to do a good job for me.
As for defrag: It's not needed as much with NTFS; WinXP's built-in
defragger is adequate; and I now use PerfectDisk. WinXP does a much better
job than Win9x/ME of managing its Registry. I seldom even need such inbuilt
utilities as Disk Cleanup or Chkdsk.

Just my experience, which you can add to your databank. My recommendation:
Use NIS (or a comparable package from other sources) and forget the rest of
Symantec/Norton's maintenance programs. (I haven't needed utilities like
Partition Magic or Ghost in a long time, so I can't comment on current
versions of those.)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

"Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I have
>not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and shortcuts and
>remove dead entries.
>
> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> GA
February 22, 2005 2:51:01 PM

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I also uninstalled Norton Utilities recently, including my anti-virus and
switched to AVG (Grisoft), it is free and a lot better than Norton. You can
download a free copy of EasyCleaner 2.0 which can do as much as Norton
Utilities and is very effective.
Free download EasyCleaner 2.0.6.373 :: Registry :: Soft Ideas.com ::

http://download.soft-ideas.com/registry/easycleaner-2.0...

"Gordon Abbot" wrote:

> I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
> Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
> have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
> shortcuts and remove dead entries.
>
> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> GA
> --
> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
>
Anonymous
February 22, 2005 11:19:32 PM

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"Byte" <> wrote in message ...
>I also uninstalled Norton Utilities recently, including my anti-virus and
> switched to AVG (Grisoft), it is free and a lot better than Norton. You
> can
> download a free copy of EasyCleaner 2.0 which can do as much as Norton
> Utilities and is very effective.
> Free download EasyCleaner 2.0.6.373 :: Registry :: Soft Ideas.com ::

Byte,

Have they made Norton Utilities any easier to uninstall? Can you now do it
through Windows 'Add and Remove Programs' or do have to use Norton's messy
uninstall program?

Regards
Joe Steele
Anonymous
February 22, 2005 11:19:33 PM

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Through Add/Remove, but it is simpler to insert the Symantec cd and choose
to uninstall the components.

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"J&P" <jopam@beeteeinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Byte" <> wrote in message ...
>>I also uninstalled Norton Utilities recently, including my anti-virus and
>> switched to AVG (Grisoft), it is free and a lot better than Norton. You
>> can
>> download a free copy of EasyCleaner 2.0 which can do as much as Norton
>> Utilities and is very effective.
>> Free download EasyCleaner 2.0.6.373 :: Registry :: Soft Ideas.com ::
>
> Byte,
>
> Have they made Norton Utilities any easier to uninstall? Can you now do
> it through Windows 'Add and Remove Programs' or do have to use Norton's
> messy uninstall program?
>
> Regards
> Joe Steele
>
Anonymous
February 23, 2005 10:53:18 AM

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"Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message ...

> Through Add/Remove, but it is simpler to insert the Symantec cd and choose
> to uninstall the components.

Thanks for the reply, Colin.

Joe Steele
Anonymous
February 23, 2005 10:53:19 AM

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You're welcome.

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"J&P" <jopam@beeteeinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message ...
>
>> Through Add/Remove, but it is simpler to insert the Symantec cd and
>> choose
>> to uninstall the components.
>
> Thanks for the reply, Colin.
>
> Joe Steele
>
>
>
Anonymous
February 23, 2005 3:39:49 PM

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Gordon, if it's fast and safe defrag you want, then Diskeeper. Run it once
to defrag, then use function "set it and forget it" - it automatically
defrags in the backgoround whenever frags =>4% (and you can still elect to
run it manually - a defrag, after the initial one, typically takes <4 mins).
As for all the other Norton utilities (AND MORE) I'm using Tune-up Utilities
2004 http://www.tune-up.com/products/tuneup-utilities/ which also includes
Registry utilities (like, defrag the registry, remove dead entries, and best
of all a Registry Editor which automatically backs up before edit, AND
restores original setting if required. It also has a setting to auto-run
once a day, and a 1-click option to manually run the tests - superb prog!

Overkill perhaps, I also use pcbugdoctor - a little utility than runs once a
day, detects and removes all invalid shortcuts it finds (surprising just how
many XP generates over time, with or without program install/uninstall -
first run found about 300) Altho there's no explanation in detail, I always
use "fix errors now" - have yet to encounter a problem using this, after a
year or so of use.

All these have been either recommended in this ng, or by links from it in
posted replies.

Finally, I fully endorse AVG, especially for cable (always on) connection.
For those with dial-up, suggest routine update check, these are almost
daily. And, it's free!

Hope this helps - Len.


"Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I have
>not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and shortcuts and
>remove dead entries.
>
> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> GA
> --
> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
Anonymous
February 23, 2005 3:39:50 PM

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I second the recommendation for Diskeeper 9. Excellent. Download the trial
copy.

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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Yabbadoo" <lsdolby@ignore.ntlwor.com> wrote in message
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> Gordon, if it's fast and safe defrag you want, then Diskeeper. Run it once
> to defrag, then use function "set it and forget it" - it automatically
> defrags in the backgoround whenever frags =>4% (and you can still elect to
> run it manually - a defrag, after the initial one, typically takes <4
> mins).
> As for all the other Norton utilities (AND MORE) I'm using Tune-up
> Utilities 2004 http://www.tune-up.com/products/tuneup-utilities/ which
> also includes Registry utilities (like, defrag the registry, remove dead
> entries, and best of all a Registry Editor which automatically backs up
> before edit, AND restores original setting if required. It also has a
> setting to auto-run once a day, and a 1-click option to manually run the
> tests - superb prog!
>
> Overkill perhaps, I also use pcbugdoctor - a little utility than runs once
> a day, detects and removes all invalid shortcuts it finds (surprising just
> how many XP generates over time, with or without program
> install/uninstall - first run found about 300) Altho there's no
> explanation in detail, I always use "fix errors now" - have yet to
> encounter a problem using this, after a year or so of use.
>
> All these have been either recommended in this ng, or by links from it in
> posted replies.
>
> Finally, I fully endorse AVG, especially for cable (always on) connection.
> For those with dial-up, suggest routine update check, these are almost
> daily. And, it's free!
>
> Hope this helps - Len.
>
>
> "Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
> news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
>>have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
>>shortcuts and remove dead entries.
>>
>> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> GA
>> --
>> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
>
>
Anonymous
February 23, 2005 7:01:35 PM

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Gordon, if it's fast and safe defrag you want, then Diskeeper. Run it once
to defrag, then use function "set it and forget it" - it automatically
defrags in the backgoround whenever frags =>4% (and you can still elect to
run it manually - a defrag, after the initial one, typically takes <4 mins).
As for all the other Norton utilities (AND MORE) I'm using Tune-up
Utilities
2004 http://www.tune-up.com/products/tuneup-utilities/ which also includes
Registry utilities (like, defrag the registry, remove dead entries, and best
of all a Registry Editor which automatically backs up before edit, AND
restores original setting if required. It also has a setting to auto-run
once a day, and a 1-click option to manually run the tests - superb prog!

Overkill perhaps, I also use pcbugdoctor - a little utility than runs once a
day, detects and removes all invalid shortcuts it finds (surprising just how
many XP generates over time, with or without program install/uninstall -
first run found about 300) Altho there's no explanation in detail, I always
use "fix errors now" - have yet to encounter a problem using this, after a
year or so of use.

All these have been either recommended in this ng, or by links from it in
posted replies.

Finally, I fully endorse AVG, especially for cable (always on) connection.
For those with dial-up, suggest routine update check, these are almost
daily. And, it's free!

Hope this helps - Len.

"Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I have
>not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and shortcuts and
>remove dead entries.
>
> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> GA
> --
> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
February 23, 2005 10:41:13 PM

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Agree, especially the Manx 500cc OHC, ideal for road-racing - you must be
almost as old as me :-)


--

johnf

> Forget about anything Norton..
>
> This statement also includes late model Norton motorcycles.. the best
> part of a Norton was the 'Featherbed' frame..
>
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
> news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
>>have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
>>shortcuts and remove dead entries.
>>
>> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> GA
>> --
>> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
Anonymous
February 23, 2005 10:41:14 PM

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Most likely, John

Tritons rule.. a good pre-unit Bonnie.. Avons back and front.. smokin.. :) 

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
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> Agree, especially the Manx 500cc OHC, ideal for road-racing - you must be
> almost as old as me :-)
>
>
> --
>
> johnf
>
>> Forget about anything Norton..
>>
>> This statement also includes late model Norton motorcycles.. the best
>> part of a Norton was the 'Featherbed' frame..
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>>
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
>> news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>>>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>>>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
>>>have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
>>>shortcuts and remove dead entries.
>>>
>>> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> GA
>>> --
>>> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
>
>
February 24, 2005 2:59:02 AM

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Featherbed frame - that would be around 1954?


--

johnf

> Most likely, John
>
> Tritons rule.. a good pre-unit Bonnie.. Avons back and front.. smokin..
> :) 
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> "johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
> news:%23Q1FvNYGFHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Agree, especially the Manx 500cc OHC, ideal for road-racing - you must
>> be almost as old as me :-)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> johnf
>>
>>> Forget about anything Norton..
>>>
>>> This statement also includes late model Norton motorcycles.. the best
>>> part of a Norton was the 'Featherbed' frame..
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hall
>>> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>>>
>>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
>>> news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>>>>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>>>>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
>>>>have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
>>>>shortcuts and remove dead entries.
>>>>
>>>> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> GA
>>>> --
>>>> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
Anonymous
February 24, 2005 2:59:03 AM

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For sure.. I just looked up about the year, and found this.. it maybe my
age, but I would rather have one of these than a modern day plastic
missile.. a DBD34 Gold Star would be cool too.. proper cafe racers..

Those were the days.. here are some links for you.. nice Triton, eh..

http://home.egge.net/~savory/triton.htm

http://www.ace-cafe-london.com/f2_2.htm

http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/...



--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
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> Featherbed frame - that would be around 1954?
>
>
> --
>
> johnf
>
>> Most likely, John
>>
>> Tritons rule.. a good pre-unit Bonnie.. Avons back and front.. smokin..
>> :) 
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>>
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
>> news:%23Q1FvNYGFHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Agree, especially the Manx 500cc OHC, ideal for road-racing - you must
>>> be almost as old as me :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> johnf
>>>
>>>> Forget about anything Norton..
>>>>
>>>> This statement also includes late model Norton motorcycles.. the best
>>>> part of a Norton was the 'Featherbed' frame..
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Hall
>>>> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>>>>
>>>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gordon Abbot" <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:CIydnQEWBakYsobfRVn-rw@suscom-maine.net...
>>>>>I just shifted from win98 se to xp and decided to finally ditch Norton
>>>>>Utilities. I see that xp has a native defragger and disk scanner but I
>>>>>have not seen anything like win doctor, to check the registry and
>>>>>shortcuts and remove dead entries.
>>>>>
>>>>> If not in windows xp, what are good alternatives to Norton Utilities?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> GA
>>>>> --
>>>>> My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
>
>
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