Blog site Tracking AMD reveals that according to several sources these will be the first Barcelona-based Opteron model numbers and clockspeeds to launch
that'd be funny if they did, everyone has been waiting forever for k8l now, but anyway, barcelona's the core, k8l the arch, so even if they kill barcelona, their still gonna use k8l over k8
I know frequency aint worth squat no mo' but DAMN THOSE ARE LOW FREQUENCIES!!!!
This is the thing I've been pointing out all along. Penryn clocks are going to be 3.8 GHZ and upwards.
Barcelona will give AMD, at best, a small performance lead over Conroe for, at best, 6 months. From Q4 2007 onwards Barcelona is going to eat Penryn dust.
Conroe is ~30-40% faster than K8 clock-for-clock.
AMD claims K8L = 1.8x K8
Lets do some math:
3 GHz K8 performance index: 1.0
that'd be funny if they did, everyone has been waiting forever for k8l now, but anyway, barcelona's the core, k8l the arch, so even if they kill barcelona, their still gonna use k8l over k8
Some guys on that site were saying that some of this might be Bucharest. I dunno. I thought I was on a CPU forum, not a Travel forum!
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This is the thing I've been pointing out all along. Penryn clocks are going to be 3.8 GHZ and upwards.
I dunno what kind of magic AMD thinks that it can build into a 2.4GHz chip that's gonna let it catch one that's topping 4GHz, but I'm willing to keep my mind at least somewhat open to the possibility that they will pull it off.
Anyway, if ocing on k8l sucks, I'm switching to intel, even if they do get a 40% lead, if they still have the 3.2ghz barrier, they're screwed for when teh k+high gate design comes in to double the efficiency of the 45nm proccessors
am2+ uses ht3, while sckt f doesn't, but f+ will, just wait, and I don't think that f only support 667, I know it at least supports 800, and 1066 supports is coming in with am2+ and f+, something tells me that wasn't a valid review right there, looked fake to me, I have been waiting for k8l forever to upgrade to something that's faster than conroe, and have done too much research for one simple review to tell me wrong
I know frequency aint worth squat no mo' but DAMN THOSE ARE LOW FREQUENCIES!!!!
This is the thing I've been pointing out all along. Penryn clocks are going to be 3.8 GHZ and upwards.
Barcelona will give AMD, at best, a small performance lead over Conroe for, at best, 6 months. From Q4 2007 onwards Barcelona is going to eat Penryn dust.
Conroe is ~30-40% faster than K8 clock-for-clock.
AMD claims K8L = 1.8x K8
Lets do some math:
3 GHz K8 performance index: 1.0
I know frequency aint worth squat no mo' but DAMN THOSE ARE LOW FREQUENCIES!!!!
This is the thing I've been pointing out all along. Penryn clocks are going to be 3.8 GHZ and upwards.
Barcelona will give AMD, at best, a small performance lead over Conroe for, at best, 6 months. From Q4 2007 onwards Barcelona is going to eat Penryn dust.
Conroe is ~30-40% faster than K8 clock-for-clock.
AMD claims K8L = 1.8x K8
Lets do some math:
3 GHz K8 performance index: 1.0
Bear in mind that the 1.8X multiplier for K8L is actually just the best case claimed FP performance by AMD.
AMD fanbois pinning all their hopes on Barcelona are in for a nasty surprise
Links to where you got scores to make an absolute conclusions
only people who deal in absolutes are the SITH and INTEL FAN BOIS
Haven't you learned your lesson yet? :? I hope that barcelona is a killer, but we all know that intel has far more resources to deal with, and their 45nm will kill amd in price wise, and their performance should be amazing due to the high gate and k thing
I know frequency aint worth squat no mo' but DAMN THOSE ARE LOW FREQUENCIES!!!!
This is the thing I've been pointing out all along. Penryn clocks are going to be 3.8 GHZ and upwards.
Barcelona will give AMD, at best, a small performance lead over Conroe for, at best, 6 months. From Q4 2007 onwards Barcelona is going to eat Penryn dust.
Conroe is ~30-40% faster than K8 clock-for-clock.
AMD claims K8L = 1.8x K8
Lets do some math:
3 GHz K8 performance index: 1.0
Bear in mind that the 1.8X multiplier for K8L is actually just the best case claimed FP performance by AMD.
AMD fanbois pinning all their hopes on Barcelona are in for a nasty surprise
Links to where you got scores to make an absolute conclusions
only people who deal in absolutes are the SITH and INTEL FAN BOIS
Haven't you learned your lesson yet? :? I hope that barcelona is a killer, but we all know that intel has far more resources to deal with, and their 45nm will kill amd in price wise, and their performance should be amazing due to the high gate and k thing
learned what lesson.... I learned alot of lessons with the FDIV bug, the Camino Chipset, The p3 1.13 gHZ RECALL and the Preschott debacle ... SHOW ME WHAT U CAN DO ...dont just tell me...
I heard this same crap on every single INTEL release since the P3 was invented...AMD is dead...
How do you know INTEL wont have massive yield problems with the BRAND NEW technology... YOU DONT KNOW.... You can GUESS but YOU DONT KNOW... So don't talk about lessons... you may buy INTEL's lines like its the gospel... i like to see retail silicon first.
This is the thing I've been pointing out all along. Penryn clocks are going to be 3.8 GHZ and upwards.
Nope!
Penryn will be released with 20% higher clocks. So, expect the eXtreme Edition dualcores clocked at 3.66GHz and quadcores at 3.33GHz for server and 3.2 or 3.47 for desktop.
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Barcelona will give AMD, at best, a small performance lead over Conroe for, at best, 6 months. From Q4 2007 onwards Barcelona is going to eat Penryn dust.
Expect Penryn to be available in Q1 2008.
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Conroe is ~30-40% faster than K8 clock-for-clock.
This is not true! But it is 20% faster clock for clock!
IMO clock for clock, Penryn will be 25% faster than K8, only because it will have 50% more cache and 25% faster FSB.
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AMD claims K8L = 1.8x K8
That is FPU performance, not overall CPU performance.
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Lets do some math:
3 GHz K8 performance index: 1.0
Bear in mind that the 1.8X multiplier for K8L is actually just the best case claimed FP performance by AMD.
Your math is plain wrong and your prediction has no sense:
1. There would be no Penryn @ 3.8GHz. The 45nm shrink of Conroe, successor will have FSB1333(quad pumped 333MHz). So the difference between the frequency of different models is 333MHz: 3.0GHz, 3.33GHz, 3.66GHz, 4GHz and so on. Also I don't think that Intel will release quadcore Penryn clocked higher than 3.47GHz(for desktop) or 3.33GHz(for server)!
2. Clock for clock, Conroe is not 40% faster than K8, nor Wolfdale would be!
3. The K8L dualcores will be clocked up to 2.9GHz, while the quadcores up to 2.5GHz
4. 1.4 * 1.8 = 1.773; 1.773 / 1.44 = 1.231; According to your prediction and the math Penryn > K8L by 23.1%
According to AMD claims, in various workloads the K8L(quadcore 2.5GHz) will be 40% faster than Clovertown(quadcore 2.66GHz). So, according to AMD claims:
2.66GHz Clovertown performance index: 1.0
3.33GHz Yorkfield performance: 1.04(the extra L2) * 1.2 = 1.248
2.5GHz K8L: 1.4
1.4 / 1.248 = 1.22 or 2.5GHz Barcelona to be 22% faster than 3.33GHz Yorkfield! I think that AMD claims are Science Fiction, unless they consider RAM bandwidth as "various workloads", which is not CPU performance.
IMO, K8L will perform similar like Penryn, clock for clock. It will beat Penryn in FP, but will loose in AL, the difference in SSE performance will be +-5%. The highest clocked Penryn(3.66/3.2GHz DC/QC) will wipe the floor with highest clocked K8L(2.9/2.5GHz DC/QC).
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AMD fanbois pinning all their hopes on Barcelona are in for a nasty surprise
Yes. But most of them know that K8L will lost the battle against Penryn but don't want to admit it forth.
This is the thing I've been pointing out all along. Penryn clocks are going to be 3.8 GHZ and upwards.
Nope!
Penryn will be released with 20% higher clocks. So, expect the eXtreme Edition dualcores clocked at 3.66GHz and quadcores at 3.33GHz.
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Barcelona will give AMD, at best, a small performance lead over Conroe for, at best, 6 months. From Q4 2007 onwards Barcelona is going to eat Penryn dust.
Expect Penryn to be available in Q1 2008.
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Conroe is ~30-40% faster than K8 clock-for-clock.
This is not true! But it is 20% faster clock for clock!
IMO clock for clock, Penryn will be 25% faster than K8, only because it will have 50% more cache and 25% faster FSB.
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AMD claims K8L = 1.8x K8
That is FPU performance, not overall CPU performance.
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Lets do some math:
3 GHz K8 performance index: 1.0
Bear in mind that the 1.8X multiplier for K8L is actually just the best case claimed FP performance by AMD.
Your math is plain wrong and your prediction has no sense:
1. There would be no Penryn @ 3.8GHz. The 45nm shrink of Conroe, successor will have FSB1333(quad pumped 333MHz). So the difference between the frequency of different models is 333MHz: 3.0GHz, 3.33GHz, 3.66GHz, 4GHz and so on. Also I don't think that Intel will release quadcore Penryn clocked higher than 3.33GHz, although its FSB is clocked at 1066MHz!
2. Clock for clock, Conroe is not 40% faster than K8, nor Wolfdale would be!
3. The K8L dualcores will be clocked up to 2.9GHz, while the quadcores up to 2.5GHz
4. 1.4 * 1.8 = 1.773; 1.773 / 1.44 = 1.231; According to your prediction and the math Penryn > K8L by 23.1%
According to AMD claims, in various workloads the K8L(quadcore 2.5GHz) will be 40% faster than Clovertown(quadcore 2.66GHz). So, according to AMD claims:
2.66GHz Clovertown performance index: 1.0
3.33GHz Yorkfield performance: 1.04(the extra L2) * 1.2 = 1.248
2.5GHz Barcelona: 1.4
1.4 / 1.248 = 1.22 or 2.5GHz Barcelona to be 22% faster than 3.33GHz Yorkfield! I think that AMD claims are Science Fiction, unless they consider RAM bandwidth as "various workloads", which is not CPU performance.
IMO, K8L will perform similar like Penryn, clock for clock. It will beat Penryn in FP, but will loose in AL, the difference in SSE performance will be +-5%. The highest clocked Penryn(3.66/3.33GHz DC/QC) will wipe the floor with highest clocked K8L(2.9/2.5GHz DC/QC).
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AMD fanbois pinning all their hopes on Barcelona are in for a nasty surprise
Yes. But most of them know that K8L will lost the battle against Penryn but don't want to admit it forth.
I dunno - I fully expect 3Ghz K8L parts at least by the time Penryn is going to be released. It's going to be a fight.
