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g80 (SLI) vs r600 (XFire) not so easy choice

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February 5, 2007 6:12:38 PM

I'm in the market for a new PC, particularly to play Crysis and UT3 when they come out. I know all the rage right now is the g80 and r600. I've also researched and most people favor the r600 because of some tests they've seen on the internet, now, eventhough the r600 might be faster, I've been researching another important factor: The motherboards. It seems as though mobos with the 680i chipset are far superior in terms of features and performance compared to those that support Xfire (I've only seen the ones for socket 775). So what I was thinking is: Even if the r600 card is faster than the g80, and let's assume they are at the same price, won't people be inclined to buy the g80 because of the supporting chipset?
February 5, 2007 6:23:11 PM

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just leave, now. right now.


I'll think I'll stay around, even if I do get flamed, I don't care. I learn by asking and there has to be someone in this forum mature enough to dignify a response.
February 5, 2007 6:27:20 PM

Chipset usually does not have anything to do when selecting a graphics card. You could have a 680i board with a Ati Graphics card and see no altercations or flaws with the system. Most of the time, when it comes down to a graphics card it goes down to price, and sometimes availability. If you so wish to spend roughly 1,000 dollars on a Dual Graphics card setup, then by all means go for it if you want bragging rights. Otherwise, these days 1 graphics card is more than enough to drive many monitors and many games on the market these days. Even when DX10 supported games come out, you don't need a vastly large SLi/CF setup whatsoever.
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February 5, 2007 6:32:56 PM

@EnforcerFX.. I know that I can use a 680i board with the ati card, but if someone wanted to go with dual graphics cards, wouldn't the mobo be an important factor in deciding?
February 5, 2007 6:36:48 PM

What the hell stranger? do you just go around looking for posts and flame on people just because people pick on you at school? Get a life, if you don't have anything productive to say just shut up. You don't HAVE to post, if you think this post is stupid, just skip it.
February 5, 2007 6:42:33 PM

I frankly do not care if I'm irritating you. You must be a sad person. Oh and there's a difference between ignorance and stupidity, you should learn the difference and choose your words accordingly.
February 5, 2007 6:49:34 PM

There are no real benchmarks for R600 so we can't say which is better. So there is no point in asking this question, and then trying to argue...

Also, I'm with stranger in this fight.... :roll:
February 5, 2007 6:52:18 PM

it's not a question on which is better. the question was: "Should the platform itself (SLI or Xfire) be a decisive factor in choosing the card"
February 5, 2007 7:34:47 PM

1: There are no verified R600 benchmarks about yet. It may be faster, it may be slower, who can guess how well/badly that will translate into Xfire performance

2: We are not sure of R600 pricings yet. We are not sure if there will be a G80 price drop on the launch of R600. 1GiB of GDDR4 and a 13 layer 512bit PCB doesnt come cheap.

3: As for motherboards, the 975X chipset supports Xfire, and are not far behind nForce 680i. The RD600 board from DFi is an *excellent* motherboard that is arguably better than any current nf680i board. Intel Bearlake may well have Xfire support, and could easily leave P965, 975X, and NF680i for dust.

Platform availibility does have some influence, after all the options for SLi on Intel were VERY limited at C2D's release. But with RD600 about on an excellent DFi board, and 975X supporting Xfire, with the possibility of Bearlake soon, I dont see an issue here.
a b U Graphics card
February 5, 2007 8:47:42 PM

First of all what kind of F'in poll is that? Yes/No to the existential question of WTF !?!

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I'm in the market for a new PC,...


Don't bother, you sound like the type of person best served by an Xbox.

also you forgot that the intel solution will be better than all of them because it makes the mobo, the CPU, and the Graphics, must be better!

St00pid thread created by a tool or a troll.
February 5, 2007 10:29:41 PM

thanks to the two people that have actually posted something constructive.
February 6, 2007 1:35:47 AM

Wow, I'm really taken aback by some of the posts here. 8O

darkstar and I both have the ASUS P5W DH Deluxe which is chaulk full of features, also while being of the 975X chipset (supporting crossfire).
I think when it comes down to it, as long as you're buying a nice motherboard you needn't worry about the performance of the chipset -- features is what you should concentrate on.
SLI or Crossfire ... bleh, I'm almost certain that with the two top competing chipsets, performance would be least inhibited by the chipset on either set-up.

My motherboard has more features than I can even put to use. Some (such as the built-in wireless) have proven quite useful in unique scenarios.

If you're currently in the market for a new PC, don't even bother considering the AMD offering, especially if you have the cash to consider dual R600's. Look at the LGA 775 mobo's and make your decision.

R600 isn't slated to be released in some months. The "reviews" people have been talking about are shady and really shouldn't be taken seriously. Wait until for the launch (in March or April I believe) which is when reviewers will have their hands on the product.

What with the alleged re-design I've heard ATI has put into the R600, I'm sure it'll be a killer card.
February 6, 2007 2:17:51 AM

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I'm in the market for a new PC, particularly to play Crysis and UT3 when they come out. I know all the rage right now is the g80 and r600. I've also researched and most people favor the r600 because of some tests they've seen on the internet, now, eventhough the r600 might be faster, I've been researching another important factor: The motherboards. It seems as though mobos with the 680i chipset are far superior in terms of features and performance compared to those that support Xfire (I've only seen the ones for socket 775). So what I was thinking is: Even if the r600 card is faster than the g80, and let's assume they are at the same price, won't people be inclined to buy the g80 because of the supporting chipset?


what a waste of everyones time
February 6, 2007 2:32:39 AM

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First of all what kind of F'in poll is that? Yes/No to the existential question of WTF !?!

I'm in the market for a new PC,...


Don't bother, you sound like the type of person best served by an Xbox.

also you forgot that the intel solution will be better than all of them because it makes the mobo, the CPU, and the Graphics, must be better!

St00pid thread created by a tool or a troll.


:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

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I've also researched and most people favor the r600 because of some tests they've seen on the internet


..and where would the link be? http://www.robtrevino.com :?:

Come on man,unless you work for ATi and have been in the design/testing team whatsoever,you won't find any real benchmark currently.My point is, wait till R600 released and benchmarked, then you make your decision
a b U Graphics card
February 6, 2007 2:56:40 AM

Let me rephrase your question:

Which is better? Please answer yes or no. :roll: Is it the card that is available or the one that isn't released or reviewed yet? Oh, and I am specifically wondering how they will do in games that are over 6 months from being released. Thanks guys.

PS. If you would be so kind as to also fill me in on which stock will gain the most value by the end of 2007, I'd greatly appreciate a yes or no answer to that also.
:twisted:
February 6, 2007 2:58:22 AM

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PS. If you would be so kind as to also fill me in on which stock will gain the most value by the end of 2007, I'd greatly appreciate a yes or no answer to that also


lol
February 6, 2007 6:17:39 AM

Whenever I see r600 now I die a little inside.
February 6, 2007 2:50:00 PM

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So what I was thinking is: Even if the r600 card is faster than the g80, and let's assume they are at the same price, won't people be inclined to buy the g80 because of the supporting chipset?


People who want to game will buy the fastest videocard.

All gamers care about is that the faster videocard will win. Platform is secondary, and won't have nearly the impact a videocard does in games.
February 6, 2007 3:25:23 PM

You're starting to irritate me, Stranger. He asks a logical question, no matter how much you think he might be trolling. If you were new to this and wanted to plunk down a huge sum for a high-end gaming PC, I think you'd ask some questions too. You are not the all-knowing force on these forums, if anyone it'd be Crashman. So lay off.

In answer to your question, the chipset really only should influence your video card decision if you want to go dual graphics. In which case you'll have to find a company and stick with it until you want to hop the fence and try the other side.

The possible exception would be the high-end Intel chipsets like 975x, which run Crossfire with their regular drivers, or SLI with le hacked drivers. If you don't feel like hacking, however, you're pretty much stuck as I said earlier.

As people have said, the platform isn't the most important part in determining performance. If you look at motherboard benchmarks, they're pretty much all identical with the same CPU, GPU, RAM, etc. because the chipset is secondary, possibly even tertiary to the other parts.

Now, if you're overclocking, the chipset will have an impact on how high you can OC. nVidia's 680i is the the new king of the clocks, so hit up those boards (in particular the eVGA one) if you want to OC. That will limit you to SLI or a single ATI card, but I wouldn't worry. Even a single R600 will be fast, even if it probably won't beat dual 8800s.
February 6, 2007 5:26:05 PM

So why didn't you tell him this in your first post in this thread, instead of telling to leave?
February 6, 2007 5:32:31 PM

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So what I was thinking is: Even if the r600 card is faster than the g80, and let's assume they are at the same price, won't people be inclined to buy the g80 because of the supporting chipset?


People who want to game will buy the fastest videocard.

All gamers care about is that the faster videocard will win. Platform is secondary, and won't have nearly the impact a videocard does in games.

One thing I sincerely wish is that AMD/ATI would make Crossfire so that it could be run on the same board that can run SLI. After all, this thing of having to buy a different motherboard just to run a different card setup is silly, probably self defeating as well.

Think of it this way: when I bought my present motherboard, I had SLI in mind. When I decided to get an ATI card, I was forced to either stick with one card only or spend a lot of money to buy a new motherboard as well. And then if I decide to back to a SLI setup, I have to go through the hastle of changing boards again. Guess what I'm most likely going to do if I want to run two cards? That type of thing can't be good for Crossfire sales.
February 6, 2007 5:47:17 PM

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oh and sailer, compatability between rival companies which would benefit the consumer, lets not be silly now :p 


I know. Must come from smoking all that sagebrush here in Nevada, or whatever it is that grows all over the place.
February 6, 2007 5:49:44 PM

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troll's are not welcome here. you may be so stupid as to not even know you are trolling but you are.

there is no benchmarks out right now to compare and the cards will likely be out in march at least for the ATI card. there is no point in discussing this at this stage.

also, to indulge your stupidity. if you were going for that sort of setup, to hell with mobo features you go for best performance in games.

now again STFU and leave, you are starting to irritate me. this forum has no place for you and your ilk.


He was just providing a reference point so that the question is clear and not confusing for others. Just telling him to leave is just making you the troll. What is the definition of a troll? One who states blatant statements that incites a flaming, pointless argument. The question is:

So what I was thinking is: Even if the r600 card is faster than the g80, and let's assume they are at the same price, won't people be inclined to buy the g80 because of the supporting chipset?

The way I would respond to that is that people would consider the speed of their setup while worrying about compatibility as well.

The way you responded to it was just refusing his presence and denying his question. So what if he did say "Some people said the R600 was faster." Doesn't the question also open up with, "even if the R600 is faster than the g80, wouldn't people be inclined to buy the g80 because of the supporting chipset?" That in itself doesn't incite any argument or debate about what's faster. It's just a hypothetical question. And this is a forum, if all you're going to do is flame people for asking questions that seems stupid to you but not stupid to others, then you might as well just leave.
February 6, 2007 5:54:31 PM

Just wait for the titles to see which videocard card performs the best.
a b U Graphics card
February 6, 2007 5:56:31 PM

...Not really sure why you all are arguing over hardware that doesn't even exist for consumer purchase. Yeah, it will come out...when? Good question. People will by what is the best, not what their favorite company is. IMO, ATI and AMD have been pretty notorious about, "you just wait and see, we will come out with something here in a while that will beat what you already have." And then nVidia releases their next GPU a month later. Just my $0.02.
February 6, 2007 6:18:15 PM

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troll's are not welcome here. you may be so stupid as to not even know you are trolling but you are.

there is no benchmarks out right now to compare and the cards will likely be out in march at least for the ATI card. there is no point in discussing this at this stage.

also, to indulge your stupidity. if you were going for that sort of setup, to hell with mobo features you go for best performance in games.

now again STFU and leave, you are starting to irritate me. this forum has no place for you and your ilk.


Do you keep this one in a Word document ready to copy-paste., I've seen it from you quite a few time... troll, stupid, etc... you first...

:evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil: 

If you don't like what he ask, just shut up and go elsewhere, ideally in HELL. I'm wondering how many of those 3500+ post are for not being able to keep your mouth shut :?: :?: :?: :?:

To Ghostface: this moron is posting here only to get us angry. Best solution, click ignore beside his name so you won't have any of it's stupidity in your face. Also, write to forum master to let them know about his behaviour that is totally wrong.

Whenever I see a story about some guy kicking another guy ass after a discussion in some obscure forum I think about him. That's how bad this guy is. Don't get me wrong, I'll never do this, but I know some poeple would if they'd have the chance.

The question that resume to something like "is it worth getting a faster card if the ideal chipset for it isn't the best" totally make sense. The answer depends on what you do with your computer. If all you do is gaming and the VPU still perform better for it, I'd get the faster VPU. If you use your PC for encoding video (or any other things), and only occasionnally game at all, go for the better performing chipset.

It's that simple.

To all, ignore the first moron here, StrangeStranger. We'll all feel better at the end of the day.
a b U Graphics card
February 6, 2007 6:23:43 PM

Well put.
February 6, 2007 7:11:42 PM

I thought that the OP was flamebait... But it raised an interesting question in my mind. Which technology gives the most increase in performance of two cards vs one card, sli or xfire?
February 6, 2007 7:14:05 PM

I'll just drop my two cents and leave cause nobody seems to like me on these forums either, so:

Stranger, if you truly were here to help others, you might have pointed out in your first post what the OP was doing wrong and how he could fix it. I understand that trying to help so many people with the same stupid posts over and over gets irritating to the point that you just want to ban them yourself, but everybody was or is a noob at some point and everybody needs helping. A good reason for this would probably be that nobody ever starts out educated on the subject they happen to be asking questions about. Like i know i asked about K8L and whether or not it was worth waiting for or not on here and i got flamed instantly but just because some of us might know why, to a degree, C2D is better than AMD64, or why, to a degree, G80 is now beating everything ATI has on the market, doesn't mean we know the intricate details - and so we ask hoping that someone who does can help us.

Someone might know intricatley the details of vec4 shaders vs stream processors and the effects of 384-bit vs 512-bit busses with only (an alleged) 400mhz effective difference in memory speed. These are the people who we want to answer our threads because they can simply go, yep, i know all about that. This is the clear victor.

So personally in my opinion, from what i've read, even if it's off topic, i think r600 is going to blow away g80. just go look at the VGA charts and compare a regular x1950xtx vs a 8800gtx on THW's min and max available settings. They're both identical (except for oblivion) on the min settings and on avg the 8800gtx is better by 25%. Wait for ATI to evolve and i think it'll blow G80 away, even the G80 refresh (assuming all the refresh is getting is going to be a die shrink and maybe a speed increase).
February 6, 2007 7:33:28 PM

I wish I could get the raw data behind the THG vga chart in comma delimited format... A spreadsheet would make that comparison much easier.

I wouldn't think that driver version would make much difference in the percentage increase of single vs dual card, as the drivers (usually) have to support both tech.'s. The benchmark used will make a difference, as some benchmarks take better advantage of dual vs single card config's... For instance, using the THG guide, in sli the NV 6800 ultra gets almost a 50 percent boost in 3dmark06... But in one of the games, it fared only marginally better.
February 6, 2007 7:34:54 PM

haha yeah you're right. i hate when people don't use the damn search button! even if it doesn't yeild accurate results you'd think people could skim 5 pages worth of thread names and guess if it was relevant or not before asking! :D 
February 6, 2007 7:39:19 PM

This is definitely where the wars start.....with theoretical results based upon specs on hardware that is not released yet! :lol:  :lol: 

Gotta wait for the data because their drivers could suck......who knows!
February 6, 2007 7:40:34 PM

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For instance, using the THG guide, in sli the NV 6800 ultra gets almost a 50 percent boost in 3dmark06... But in one of the games, it fared only marginally better.


3dMark 06 scores have very little to do with reality.

It's more of a system bench than a videocard bench.
3dMark05 is more of a videocard bench, and even it's far from perfect...
a b U Graphics card
February 6, 2007 7:40:53 PM

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I wish I could get the raw data behind the THG vga chart in comma delimited format... A spreadsheet would make that comparison much easier.


Very good point. Anyone at THG viewing that could make this happen?
February 6, 2007 7:42:52 PM

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What is the definition of a troll?


be careful what you`re asking , you might become a troll too.
BTW this thread became really boring
February 6, 2007 7:48:35 PM

I know that... That was just an example of how the reference benchmark used to compare the two technologies, sl vs non sli, xfire vs non xfire on any card would vary more than using a better or worse driver.

I know that you have helped prepare much of the data behind the guides, is there any possibility of getting the raw data in a CSD flatfile?
February 6, 2007 8:03:37 PM

Then we could politely ask this person to research the message boards before posting a question that's been answered many times over. RobTrevino is new, it looks like. Have a pint and relax a little.

No harm done, Rob--but do try to research topics before asking for answers that are already given. Your poll isn't very logical but your question does have some merit and the fact is, nobody knows what the best solution WILL be, we only know what it IS. And that's that the 680i motherboard with SLI is the best solution that exists now. What may happen later is anybody's guess. So my advice to you would be that if your money isn't burning a hole in your pocket, keep doing your research and wait until this all shakes out. If you need to build a system now, build the 680i SLI solution. In all reality, there's always going to be better six months down the road no matter what solution you go with.
February 6, 2007 8:06:25 PM

Not by me... But I might find the data interesting.
February 6, 2007 8:18:59 PM

Looks nice! Great frame rates outside with everything maxed! I can't wait to get one of these for myself!
February 7, 2007 1:10:48 AM

Whatever flame me for this but should I wait to get the new g80 cores or get the 8800 GTX right now. I hear all sorts of different numbers but when do the new Nvidia cards come out?
a b U Graphics card
February 7, 2007 1:31:44 AM

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Whatever flame me for this but should I wait to get the new g80 cores or get the 8800 GTX right now. I hear all sorts of different numbers but when do the new Nvidia cards come out?


the g80 is the 8800gtx/gts.
February 7, 2007 1:52:00 AM

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Whatever flame me for this but should I wait to get the new g80 cores or get the 8800 GTX right now. I hear all sorts of different numbers but when do the new Nvidia cards come out?




If looking at the benchies that I posted and the screen shots of Oblivion on my PC with a 8800GTX doesnt help you with a decision then your pretty much hopeless.

yeah sorry didnt see that on the bottom. accidentally skipped a page. oh well..fuck it i guess. im getting the 8800gtx. those are some nice graphics.
a b U Graphics card
February 7, 2007 1:58:37 AM

dont go for the 8800gtx.
go for the nvidia vanta :wink:
it rules :lol: 

j/k
February 7, 2007 2:09:20 AM

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Whatever flame me for this but should I wait to get the new g80 cores or get the 8800 GTX right now. I hear all sorts of different numbers but when do the new Nvidia cards come out?




If looking at the benchies that I posted and the screen shots of Oblivion on my PC with a 8800GTX doesnt help you with a decision then your pretty much hopeless.

yeah sorry didnt see that on the bottom. accidentally skipped a page. oh well..**** it i guess. im getting the 8800gtx. those are some nice graphics.


Now what CPU and Power supply do you plan to use?

I had a thread on the general homebuilt forums and this is what I got after alot of advice:

ASUS P5B-E LGA 775 Intel P965 Express

Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

PNY GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16

Antec True Power Trio TP3-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor

And this is all in the Mozart TX case with the Thermaltake Bigwater SE cooling system and a few fans
February 7, 2007 2:26:50 AM

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Whatever flame me for this but should I wait to get the new g80 cores or get the 8800 GTX right now. I hear all sorts of different numbers but when do the new Nvidia cards come out?




If looking at the benchies that I posted and the screen shots of Oblivion on my PC with a 8800GTX doesnt help you with a decision then your pretty much hopeless.

yeah sorry didnt see that on the bottom. accidentally skipped a page. oh well..**** it i guess. im getting the 8800gtx. those are some nice graphics.


Now what CPU and Power supply do you plan to use?

I had a thread on the general homebuilt forums and this is what I got after alot of advice:

ASUS P5B-E LGA 775 Intel P965 Express

Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

PNY GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16

Antec True Power Trio TP3-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor

And this is all in the Mozart TX case with the Thermaltake Bigwater SE cooling system and a few fans


Oh lord :roll:

Listen to me, there are a few things with this build that need changing and I can promise you that you can trust me as I know exactly what I am talking about.

First of all, the motherboard. That particular board does not overclock well at all! if you plan to do any overclocking on the CPU and I would if I were you as the benefits are worth it and the E6400 overclocks great. Plus it will take the bottleneck off the 8800GTX. Next thing is the PSU, Multi rail Psu's are not recommended for systems with high power draw such as the one you are building. There are a few reasons for this but the main reason is the fact that the rails are split and the 8800GTX has been known to overload one of the 12v rails on a multi rail PSU simply because its not getting enough power to it due to the split rail design.



Get this Motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&ty...


Get this PSU-http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=...



I have the following build-

E6400@3.5ghz
Asus P5B delux
4gb crucial 10yr anniversary ram 1000mhz 4 4 4 5




nice case..what is it?
so ill add this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
and this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

costs more but im hoping its worth it
and what you mentioned about the split rail designs makes pretty good logic
thanks!
February 7, 2007 2:37:14 AM

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Just do some research on the Asus P5b delux and you will see its pretty much the best board around for overclocking the E6400's due to its 500+fsb speeds.

Also you might want to get this ram-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...






I have been hearing it overclocks like mad. The G skill doesnt really overclock that great without loosening the timings a bunch which just defeats the purpose.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
this has the same price pretty much and i hear it clocks very well. on the thread, a few people suggested this but it was a bit much for the price. but if im going for good ram then its ither this, corsair, patriot or the one you chose. oh and on a side note I won't be oc'ing that high, just sort of mediumish.
February 7, 2007 2:46:43 AM

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Well im out, its almost midnight! goodnight!


heh only 845 here
but thanks for all the help..much appreciated. definitely didnt want to have to send back stuff on my first build and get all frustrated.
February 7, 2007 2:56:36 AM

I second the comment about the motherboard making a big difference. I have a gigabyte 939 K8n SLI motherboard and have running Ballistix tracer ddr 500 ram and have it at 2-2-2-5 timing however I can't over clock the FSB to save my life because cooling for the chipset(among otherthings I would imagine) sucks! So choose well so that you will be able to do what you are paying for.
February 7, 2007 3:27:01 AM

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I second the comment about the motherboard making a big difference. I have a gigabyte 939 K8n SLI motherboard and have running Ballistix tracer ddr 500 ram and have it at 2-2-2-5 timing however I can't over clock the FSB to save my life because cooling for the chipset(among otherthings I would imagine) sucks! So choose well so that you will be able to do what you are paying for.


Cooling for mine is pretty well set up I think. The mozart tx has space for 10 120mm fans and I think 3 or 5 80mm's (just a BIT overkill perhaps?) but I'm putting in a thermaltake bigwater cooling system just to make sure everythings nice and cool. mainly to keep the 8800gtx from overheating or anything. had to buy a custom waterblock for it though. LGA 775 is an easy set to find stuff for. what kind of cooling do you have now?
February 7, 2007 3:36:51 AM

Well for my CPU I have a Artic Freezer......average CPU temp is 31 degrees Celsius. I got some funny asian chipset cooler which is really funky but it does the trick. Except for the fact that I still can't overclock. I still can't find a aftermarket cooler for my 7900gt which I have overclocked quite a bit. I however have got used to the noise so it doesn't bother me.....however I can't wait to get a 8800 gtx this summer!
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