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Which one should I get? AMD FX62 or Windsor 5200+

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February 6, 2007 10:38:53 PM

I can't make up my mind here. I'm upgrading my current computer to the following, either:

ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe (mobo is free with purchase of the proc)
AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 Windsor 2.8GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
Price: $579.00

OR:

EPoX EP-AD580XR Socket AM2 AMD 580X CrossFire ATX AMD Mobo

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
Price: $505.98

So I guess my dilema or confusion is really is the FX chip worth the extra money? I can't tell the differance other than the clock speed of the processors. Would I be smarter to go with the 5200+ and a good heatsink/fan and overclock it? I also have a Sapphire ATI x1900xt 512mb video card I plan on using in the new computer. I'm leaning towards the FX combo.

Thanks!

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February 6, 2007 10:56:12 PM

I'll admit i'm an amd fanboy. I haven't bought any Intel stuff for years. And i'm relatively new to overclocking. Core 2 is better right now huh? What chipset would you recommend then as oppossed to a FX62 or 5200+? Here is my current setup:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Proc
ASUS A8N5X Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)
-Timing 2-3-3-6 -Voltage 2.75V
SAPPHIRE 100149 Radeon X1900XT 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16

The main reason i'm upgrading is because I have to build a computer at work and i'm selling some of the parts out of my exsisting computer to fund new parts.
February 6, 2007 11:06:45 PM

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I can't make up my mind here. I'm upgrading my current computer to the following, either:

ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe (mobo is free with purchase of the proc)
AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 Windsor 2.8GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
Price: $579.00

OR:

EPoX EP-AD580XR Socket AM2 AMD 580X CrossFire ATX AMD Mobo

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
Price: $505.98

So I guess my dilema or confusion is really is the FX chip worth the extra money? I can't tell the differance other than the clock speed of the processors. Would I be smarter to go with the 5200+ and a good heatsink/fan and overclock it? I also have a Sapphire ATI x1900xt 512mb video card I plan on using in the new computer. I'm leaning towards the FX combo.

Thanks!


The only real difference is for OCing. The FX has an unlocked multiplier so you can OC by turning the multiplier up and the 5200+ is 200MHz slower clocked.

You can probably run the 5200+ at 210 HT 2.7GHz so perf won't be that much but you save $70.
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February 6, 2007 11:33:40 PM

Quote:
I'll admit i'm an amd fanboy. I haven't bought any Intel stuff for years. And i'm relatively new to overclocking. Core 2 is better right now huh? What chipset would you recommend then as oppossed to a FX62 or 5200+? Here is my current setup:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Proc
ASUS A8N5X Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)
-Timing 2-3-3-6 -Voltage 2.75V
SAPPHIRE 100149 Radeon X1900XT 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16

The main reason i'm upgrading is because I have to build a computer at work and i'm selling some of the parts out of my exsisting computer to fund new parts.


You can always upgrade to an existing S939 dual core CPU, the fastest is the FX-60 which is essentially a S939 X2 5200+ with unlocked multipliers. I don't recommend this though, as the FX-60 is quite costly (as are all FX chips), and you can easily get an Opteron 165/170 to 2.8GHz anyway, for 1/3 the price.

Anyway, if you intend on selling parts of your current system and building a new platform from scratch, Intel is superior at the moment.

The $315 E6600 is slightly faster than the FX-62, plus it has much more overclocking headroom (~3.5GHz overclocks are quite common) and it runs much cooler at stock speeds(65W vs 125W). It truly is a better buy any way you look at it.

I can understand you being an AMD fan, many people are, just don't be a fanboy. :wink:
February 6, 2007 11:40:39 PM

So how is the E6600 superior to the FX62? It looks like it clocks slower out of the box and has L1 Cache: 32KB+32KB compared to the FX62's L1 Cache 128KB+128KB. What makes it better?
February 6, 2007 11:48:18 PM

The architecture of the Core 2 chips is superior to that of Athlon X2 chips, so they perform faster while running cooler and at slower clock speeds. This is not to say that Athlon's are bad, just that Core 2's are better. IN your price range, an E6600 is probably the way to go. You'll also need DDR2 RAM, have you thought of that?

If you want to stick with your choices, I'd go with the 5200+ and overclock.
February 6, 2007 11:50:29 PM

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So how is the E6600 superior to the FX62? It looks like it clocks slower out of the box and has L1 Cache: 32KB+32KB compared to the FX62's L1 Cache 128KB+128KB. What makes it better?


You can't judge CPUs on clockspeed alone, otherwise everybody would be getting Pentium 4s and nothing else. :p 

Intel's Core2 architecture is ~20% more 'efficient per clock' than AMD's X2/FX line. So yes, C2D @ 2.4GHz is better than an X2/FX @ 2.8GHz.

I suggest you read some Core2 Duo reviews and see for yourself.

THG's own review is a good place to start ;) 
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks...
February 6, 2007 11:56:17 PM

AMD fan - I'd wait. Either AM2 processor could become very obsolete in a matter of months... and in fact they're still using outdated 90nm technology which AMD is quickly ramping out of. I'd wait for Barcelona confirmation benches to show up. You've also made no mention of DDR2 RAM. AM2 currently depends on fast DDR2 to perform well. But that might change with Barcelona.
February 6, 2007 11:57:27 PM

I believed you that the core 2 was better it's just that all I have to go on is specs of the chips. Thanks for the feed back. I have a hard time going the core 2 route after using AMD for so long, weird. I'll research it. Can anyone suggest a good mobo to pair with the core 2 chip and a good fan/heatsink for overclocking? And yes I plan on buying some DDR2 ram.
February 7, 2007 12:11:50 AM

This is an excellent motherboard for Core 2's, and it fits nicely into your price range.
February 7, 2007 12:14:50 AM

Can you suggest a good overclocking fan/heatsink, and DDR2 Ram to go with the E6600 core 2 and the EVGA 122-CK-NF68-TR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX mobo?

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Well after some research i've come up with the following for the new computer:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-TR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI
- ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro (cpu fan) $60
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Sapphire ATI x1900xt 512mb video card (already own)
Turbolink 500watt ps (already own/generic brand)
Cooler Master Centurion 5 case (already own)

So the Artic Cooling Freezer 7 pro fan is $60 and a little spendy, is this more fan than I need....it did get rave reviews. And will I be in good shape with my generic 500watt ps for overclocking my processor?
February 7, 2007 12:50:50 AM

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And will I be in good shape with my generic 500watt ps for overclocking my processor?


it would probably be a good idea to upgrade your psu.

maybe not right at first.
but upgrade as soon as you can after you get your new sys. going.
February 7, 2007 12:59:46 AM

I just noticed too that there are 2 different model motherboards the:

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-TR Max speed of ram is DDR2 800 $229.99

or the

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR Max speed of ram is DDR2 1200 $249.99

So i'm leaning toward spending a little more and having the option of having faster speed ram (although looks to be alot more expensive above DDR2 800 right now).
February 7, 2007 1:08:48 AM

Hmm, the ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP LGA 775 mobo looks to be pretty nice too. So which one sounds better to you guys?

ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP LGA 775

or

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-TR
February 7, 2007 1:10:21 AM

probably the asus.
February 7, 2007 1:11:28 AM

I do like having the wireless built right into the mobo helps free up a pci slot and less clutter in the box AND it's $30 cheaper.
February 7, 2007 1:16:42 AM

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I do like having the wireless built right into the mobo helps free up a pci slot and less clutter in the box AND it's $30 cheaper.


i have nothing against evga(have a couple of their gpu,s) and love em.
but dont know too much about their mobo,s.

not that they are bad though.

i would probably go with the asus.
look up and see prozacs mobo. it is an asus.
he should be able to answer any question,s for you.
February 7, 2007 2:22:38 AM

Here is what I finally went with:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775
ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP LGA 775 Intel P965 Express
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro (cpu fan)
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
COOLMAX CW-650T EPS12V 650W Aluminum ATX v2.01
Sapphire ATI x1900xt 512mb video card (already own)
Cooler Master Centurion 5 case (already own)

What do you all think?
February 7, 2007 2:51:01 AM

That setup will rock, whether you leave it at stock or overclock. Don't forget the tube of thermal paste - not sure that it comes with the HSF.
February 7, 2007 3:00:18 AM

I'm a firm believer in thermal paste, artic silver 5 for me. thanks for all the good advice. Anyone have any good overclocking/stepping advice for the E6600? I haven't overclocked much.
February 7, 2007 3:18:57 AM

Good work. That system will rock.

By the way, always check out the Tom's CPU charts for figuring out what the price/performance is on a given CPU:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

It will save you some frustration. :D 
February 7, 2007 3:29:40 AM

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Anyone have any good overclocking/stepping advice for the E6600? I haven't overclocked much.


Stepping won't affect final clocks that much, not that you could change it unless you bought several copies of the CPU or found a defective one. :)  Pretty much all E6600's are capable of hitting 3.3GHz with little to no voltage increase. The main consideration when overclocking a C2D is keeping it cool and using minimal voltage to attain the desired speed. Keep a log of what works and what doesn't so that you know what to fall back on.

Take it slowly, and every time you up the voltage check CoreTemp before and during a stress test to make sure the CPU doesn't exceed 65C. I recommend Orthos for stressing both cores simultaneously. Pass both the "Small FFTs" for 3 minutes and "Large, in-place FFTs" for 1 minute and you can up the frequency a notch. If you get an error, up the voltage a notch if CPU is still under 65C during load. Pass both tests for 20 minutes and you have a pretty stable configuration.

If you use a completely internal video card (I realize you don't - the x1900xt exhausts to back of case), then additional stability testing with 3dmark would be recommended. Also as an option, you can benchmark various FSB-CPU settings to balance memory with core performance.

Remember that performance per watt of your CPU subsystem is inversely proportional to the square of Vcore applied. Not everyone needs to run their CPU inefficiently at 64.9C load and > 3.6GHz.

For more general advice about FSB, memory ratios, and the 965 chipset options, there are quite a few well-written guides on the web that can be found through a Google search.
February 9, 2007 9:18:19 PM

I got my new computer up and running with only one slight problem...one of my sticks of ram I believe is faulty. So i'm running my computer with only one stick of the corsair ram (1gb). Is it ok to attempt to overclock with only 1 stick or would it be smart to wait until I have 2? FYI my CPU temp seems to hang around 30 degress C.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775
ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP LGA 775 Intel P965 Express
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro (cpu fan)
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
COOLMAX CW-650T EPS12V 650W Aluminum ATX v2.01
Sapphire ATI x1900xt 512mb video card (already own)
Cooler Master Centurion 5 case (already own)

The problem I was having with my ram can be found here:

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/P5B-Deluxe-Memo...
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