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Is there significant advantage of DVI cable over component?

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I have an Hitachi 57TWX20B. While there is little HDTV local broadcast here, I am looking into a set top box for it. Hitachi makes none yet, and may never. The set has both component, which I am presently using with DVD, an antique Toshiba, and a DVI connector on the rear panel. How do "misadjusted displays" fit into this choice of cable?
Thanks.
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"Richard R" <jwerir@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message news:BdGdncHkq-llzH_dRVn-jA@wideopenwest.com...
No there is not. side by side comparison of component/dvi shows no
advantage.

Note this assumes no problems with bad cables and misadjusted displays

However you may need dvi-hdcp or hdmi if there is no other way to get the
signal from your source.

Richard R.

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Is there significant advantage of DVI cable over component?

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Thanks. I will probably use component at the outset and 'save up' for a DVI cable. Thanks for your input!

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"Richard R" <jwerir@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message news:KYudnVyJ_rPkV3_dRVn-tw@wideopenwest.com...
There may be differences in optimum setting for color, brightness etc.
between dvi and component. Some sets allow custom settings for each input
and others do not.

Richard R.

"SwampBug" <wywywywywy@etetet.trt> wrote in message
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I have an Hitachi 57TWX20B. While there is little HDTV local broadcast here,
I am looking into a set top box for it. Hitachi makes none yet, and may
never. The set has both component, which I am presently using with DVD, an
antique Toshiba, and a DVI connector on the rear panel. How do "misadjusted
displays" fit into this choice of cable?
Thanks.
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"Richard R" <jwerir@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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No there is not. side by side comparison of component/dvi shows no
advantage.

Note this assumes no problems with bad cables and misadjusted displays

However you may need dvi-hdcp or hdmi if there is no other way to get the
signal from your source.

Richard R.

"SwampBug" <wywywywywy@etetet.trt> wrote in message
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Is there significant advantage of DVI cable over component?

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A dozen or so people on the AVS forum came to the same conclusion. With a
good source you can tell some difference but the difference is subtle or
just noticeable not DRAMATIC.

Richard R..

"Cody k" <codykg@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Side by side comparison by whom? You? I can tell you for a fact that DVI
> looks significantly better (crisper, mainly, but brighter, better subtle
> shading) than component (Monster Cable, BTW). I've checked out the
> component output from several DVD players of different brands and compared
> it to my Samsung DVD with DVI. No contest.
>
> Cody
>
>
> "Richard R" <jwerir@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
> news:BdGdncHkq-llzH_dRVn-jA@wideopenwest.com...
> > No there is not. side by side comparison of component/dvi shows no
> > advantage.
> >
> > Note this assumes no problems with bad cables and misadjusted displays
> >
> > However you may need dvi-hdcp or hdmi if there is no other way to get
the
> > signal from your source.
> >
> > Richard R.
> >
> > "SwampBug" <wywywywywy@etetet.trt> wrote in message
> > news:10e4cuc5q2osf7@corp.supernews.com...
> > Is there significant advantage of DVI cable over component?
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"Richard R" <jwerir@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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> A dozen or so people on the AVS forum came to the same conclusion. With a
> good source you can tell some difference but the difference is subtle or
> just noticeable not DRAMATIC.
>
> Richard R..



A few weeks ago I hooked up the DVI DVD player through the DVI input and
through the component, picked a good sharp DVD (Home Room) and toggled
between the two. The difference IS dramatic. Brighter, sharper, black is
more defined, edges are crisper.

Oddly, I will note that the difference between DVI and component through my
DirecTV when viewing HD content was much less dramatic. So, the DVI stays
with the DVD player.

Cody k




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> "Cody k" <codykg@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1UDPc.20943850$Id.3464338@news.easynews.com...
> > Side by side comparison by whom? You? I can tell you for a fact that DVI
> > looks significantly better (crisper, mainly, but brighter, better subtle
> > shading) than component (Monster Cable, BTW). I've checked out the
> > component output from several DVD players of different brands and
compared
> > it to my Samsung DVD with DVI. No contest.
> >
> > Cody
> >
> >
> > "Richard R" <jwerir@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
> > news:BdGdncHkq-llzH_dRVn-jA@wideopenwest.com...
> > > No there is not. side by side comparison of component/dvi shows no
> > > advantage.
> > >
> > > Note this assumes no problems with bad cables and misadjusted displays
> > >
> > > However you may need dvi-hdcp or hdmi if there is no other way to get
> the
> > > signal from your source.
> > >
> > > Richard R.
> > >
> > > "SwampBug" <wywywywywy@etetet.trt> wrote in message
> > > news:10e4cuc5q2osf7@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Is there significant advantage of DVI cable over component?
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"Bruiser" <noth@nks.com> wrote in message
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> Cody k wrote:
> >> A few weeks ago I hooked up the DVI DVD player through the DVI input
> >> and through the component, picked a good sharp DVD (Home Room) and
> >> toggled between the two. The difference IS dramatic. Brighter,
> >> sharper, black is more defined, edges are crisper.
> >>
> >> Oddly, I will note that the difference between DVI and component
> >> through my DirecTV when viewing HD content was much less dramatic.
> >> So, the DVI stays with the DVD player.
> >>
> >> Cody k
> >>
>
> Cody,
>
> What Samsung DVD player do you have? My new HLP-5063 is arriving today
and,
> depending on what connections the cable STB will have, I'm wondering what
> the best use of the TV's DVI will be: use it for HD reception (which is
> meager on Adelphia) and keep my Toshiba DVD player (progressive, but with
> component only), or do I upgrade the DVD player to one with DVI output and
> use component for the STB.
>
> Any thoughts on what would be the best way to go? I plan on watching a lot
> of DVDs.
>
> Bruce


Hey, Bruce,

As you can see elsewhere in this group, I firmly believe that DVI is the way
to go for DVD viewing. I'd imagine you'd find the difference between DVI
and component even more pronounced with a 50 inch than I do with a 43. It
is a pricy upgrade, though ($200+ for the player and approx $80 for a
Monster DVI cable).

I bought the Samsung DVD-HD931 from Amazon, which is apparently a
discontinued model. I wouldn't recommend this particular player for a number
of reasons, not the least of which is an illuminated "jog dial" on the front
right of the player. Illuminated as in bright blue, while the player is on.
Annoying and distracting. Also, the player has a miserable remote, with a
single button for skipping chapters and (by holding it down) scanning. The
same for rewinding/skipping back a chapter. The fast-forward button is
mirrored by the open-close button an inch above - more than once have I hit
the wrong button! Let's not forget that the remotes for the Samsung TV and
the one for the DVD player are virtually incompatible. Go figure.

At the time it was the only legitimate DVI player on the market. There was
one other, but it was a Korean (notoriously low quality) player designed to
play all formats, including Divx and I think even WMV. The more a player
does, the less quality and attention is given to each function. I've always
believed this, and every combination device I've ever seen has borne this
out. According to www.videohelp.com, there is another entry into the
market, by RCA. I don't know anything about the quality. There is a newer
Samsung DVI player which I saw at Circuit City, so the videohelp list is
incomplete.

Honestly, I'd probably suggest holding off for a bit on the DVI player. In
the next six months to a year, I'd wager a lot more manufacturers are going
to start adding it, meaning the price will drop. Make sure the player you
buy is HDMI-compatible, or you may run into issues with DVDs and
copy-protection.
http://www.gefen.com/kvm/support/dvihdmi.jsp

Hope this is helpful. Great choice on the Samsung DLP. As I've said
elsewhere, I would absolutely buy mine again.

Cheers,
Cody k

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"Bruiser" <noth@nks.com> wrote in message
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> Cody k wrote:
>>> "Bruiser" <noth@nks.com> wrote in message
>>> news:TaGdne-VNf2KKrncRVn-sA@giganews.com...
> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>> What Samsung DVD player do you have? My new HLP-5063 is arriving
>>>> today and, depending on what connections the cable STB will have,
>>>> I'm wondering what the best use of the TV's DVI will be: use it for
>>>> HD reception (which is meager on Adelphia) and keep my Toshiba DVD
>>>> player (progressive, but with component only), or do I upgrade the
>>>> DVD player to one with DVI output and use component for the STB.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on what would be the best way to go? I plan on
>>>> watching a lot of DVDs.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, Bruce,
>>>
>>> As you can see elsewhere in this group, I firmly believe that DVI is
>>> the way to go for DVD viewing. I'd imagine you'd find the
>>> difference between DVI and component even more pronounced with a 50
>>> inch than I do with a 43. It is a pricy upgrade, though ($200+ for
>>> the player and approx $80 for a Monster DVI cable).
>>>
>>> I bought the Samsung DVD-HD931 from Amazon, which is apparently a
>>> discontinued model. I wouldn't recommend this particular player for
>>> a number of reasons, not the least of which is an illuminated "jog
>>> dial" on the front right of the player. Illuminated as in bright
>>> blue, while the player is on. Annoying and distracting. Also, the
>>> player has a miserable remote, with a single button for skipping
>>> chapters and (by holding it down) scanning. The same for
>>> rewinding/skipping back a chapter. The fast-forward button is
>>> mirrored by the open-close button an inch above - more than once
>>> have I hit the wrong button! Let's not forget that the remotes for
>>> the Samsung TV and the one for the DVD player are virtually
>>> incompatible. Go figure.
>>>
>>> At the time it was the only legitimate DVI player on the market.
>>> There was one other, but it was a Korean (notoriously low quality)
>>> player designed to play all formats, including Divx and I think even
>>> WMV. The more a player does, the less quality and attention is given
>>> to each function. I've always believed this, and every combination
>>> device I've ever seen has borne this out. According to
>>> www.videohelp.com, there is another entry into the market, by RCA. I
>>> don't know anything about the quality. There is a newer Samsung DVI
>>> player which I saw at Circuit City, so the videohelp list is
>>> incomplete.
>>>
>>> Honestly, I'd probably suggest holding off for a bit on the DVI
>>> player. In the next six months to a year, I'd wager a lot more
>>> manufacturers are going to start adding it, meaning the price will
>>> drop. Make sure the player you buy is HDMI-compatible, or you may
>>> run into issues with DVDs and copy-protection.
>>> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/support/dvihdmi.jsp
>>>
>>> Hope this is helpful. Great choice on the Samsung DLP. As I've said
>>> elsewhere, I would absolutely buy mine again.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Cody k
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, much appreciated.
>
> Yeah, I'm jazzed about the Samsung. Looked at a lot of different
> brands/models and this definitely was the one. I also got a good deal on
> it
> ($2900 thru TVAuthority). The freight company sent the wrong one yesterday
> (the 61" ) -- if only I had the room for it -- so hopefully mine will
> arrive
> today or tomorrow. I've been waiting almost 2 months now and am really
> chomping at the bit...
>
> I don't mind the $$ to upgrade my DVD player -- shoot, after dropping over
> three grand on the TV, what's another couple hundred (amazing how easy it
> becomes to justify these things...). I've just started looking over the
> posts at the AVS forum, and have seen a lot of negatives about the Samsung
> HD-841, which I've seen at BB. Others mentioned as notable were the
> Momitsu
> V880, Bravo D2, and Denon 1910.
>
> BTW, do you really advocate buying Monster cables? Most posts complain
> that
> they are a waste of $$ with regards to component; I don't know if the
> feeling is the same for DVI. I've found some here for less than half the
> price:
>
> http://www.gefen.com/hdtvcables/index.jsp
>
> Thanks again,
> Bruce
>


I recommend Monster cables across the board. A note: Monster is not a
comparative term with component. Component is one of the four types of
connection (in order of quality from low to high: composite, S-Video,
component, DVI). Monster is a brand, known for the quality of their
merchandise. They're made of gold, as opposed to copper, which I am told is
better. Non-corrosive tips and cable, better conductivity (equaling less
signal loss, better transmission), and I believe a somewhat larger gauge of
wiring than standard cable manufacturers. I notice the difference.

BTW, that site's logo runs suspiciously close to the Geffen Records logo, as
does their name.....they'd better watch out.....

For the DVD player, I'm not familiar with Momitsu or Bravo as brands, so I
can't say for sure, other than that I'm skeptical about no-name products in
general. Denon? Known for quality. Check www.videohelp.com to see if they
have any reviews.

Cheers,
Cody

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In article <hJ9Xc.123350$y4.22092@news.easynews.com>, Cody k
<codykg@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Bruiser" <noth@nks.com> wrote in message
> news:u5CdnbUV_bDQY7jcRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
> > Cody k wrote:
> >>> "Bruiser" <noth@nks.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:TaGdne-VNf2KKrncRVn-sA@giganews.com...
> > <SNIP>
> >>>>
<snip>

> I recommend Monster cables across the board. A note: Monster is not a
> comparative term with component. Component is one of the four types of
> connection (in order of quality from low to high: composite, S-Video,
> component, DVI). Monster is a brand, known for the quality of their
> merchandise. They're made of gold, as opposed to copper, which I am told is
> better. Non-corrosive tips and cable, better conductivity (equaling less
> signal loss, better transmission), and I believe a somewhat larger gauge of
> wiring than standard cable manufacturers. I notice the difference.
>
Monster Cabels are grossly overrated and priced. There are other cables
out there that do the same job at considerably less the price. Gold
connectors are nice for their anti-corrosive features but have you ever
looked at the back of your tv? The connectors are not gold. So you have
different metals connecting. Go back and review your physics. Like
metal to like metal. Otherwise, there is always going to be a loss.

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