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Anonymous
July 1, 2004 6:37:53 PM

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Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:

SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
priced somewhat lower)

Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
is difficult to find out standard TV reception.

Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
features?
Anonymous
July 1, 2004 9:48:46 PM

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"SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:
>
> SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> priced somewhat lower)
>
> Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> is difficult to find out standard TV reception.
>
> Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> features?

You are making a mistake buying a 4:3.

1. there is a lot of material in 16:9, including most dvd's.
2. HD stretch/zoom/panarama modes do a heck of a lot better job of putting
4:3 into 16:9 than letterboxing does the reverse.
Anonymous
July 1, 2004 10:29:59 PM

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I am sorry for not being clear. I do want to buy a 16:9 HDTV. But I
want to get the best standard TV picture on it. I heard that the
Toshiba 30HF83 (and other sizes) stretch the picture in seach a way
you hardly notice it. Does the SONY HS 420 TVs do that?

"Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Y--dnV2ipfVZG3nd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
> "SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:95650bb5.0407011337.2879765b@posting.google.com...
> > Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> > looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> > projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> > offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> > the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> > plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:
> >
> > SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> > Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> > priced somewhat lower)
> >
> > Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> > is difficult to find out standard TV reception.
> >
> > Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> > features?
>
> You are making a mistake buying a 4:3.
>
> 1. there is a lot of material in 16:9, including most dvd's.
> 2. HD stretch/zoom/panarama modes do a heck of a lot better job of putting
> 4:3 into 16:9 than letterboxing does the reverse.
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Anonymous
July 1, 2004 11:14:08 PM

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SS wrote:
>
> Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> plasma models.

I believe HDTV telecasts/programming is NOW becoming pretty
standard except for your local news/sports/weather...
It depends were you live as to the quantity of available
HDTV content..
Try http://www.antennaweb.org and enter your ZIP code....
This answers the OTA (Over the Air antenna) digital TV..



Some models I have recently looked into:
>
> SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> priced somewhat lower)

Yes the Sony 34HS420 is a new HDTV set with reduced features...
Generally Sony 'electronic guts' make for a pretty Good
Analog 4:3 picture on a HDTV digital set... Most HDTV digital
sets
can handle HD reception well on a digital set...
Putting out good 4:3 analog picture on an HDTV is important for
now...
Not all HDTV sets perform OK..

> Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> is difficult to find out standard TV reception.

True... I agree... You need to checkout HDTV on HDTV set..
You need also to checkout Analog 4:3 on HDTV set too!
>
> Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> features?

Better features cost more dollars... except now that the new Fall
HDTV models are coming out & there may be Sales on Sony
Products...

I am a Sony HDTV CRT fan... have 34HS510... Nice unit!!

I'm catching onto Sony HDTV Model ID trends/features.....
420, 510, 610, 800, 910, 960 where
the hundreds series relates to a better or more featured
Product Lines such as: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9

And Model Year 2002 2003 2004
00 10,50 20,60
Anonymous
July 2, 2004 2:11:15 AM

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Nothing beats a good direct view CRT for PQ. But the screen size is limited
to 34".

David
"SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95650bb5.0407011337.2879765b@posting.google.com...
> Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:
>
> SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> priced somewhat lower)
>
> Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> is difficult to find out standard TV reception.
>
> Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> features?
Anonymous
July 2, 2004 6:13:28 AM

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One reason I like DLP technology is because it is not susceptible to
burn-in. This allows you to watch 4:3 shows in the regular 4:3 format.
With other displays you either need to zoom in or stretch the picture. Some
people complain of being able to see "rainbows" with DLP technology. I
think this only affects a small percentage of the population though as I
have never been able to see them.

Brad

"SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95650bb5.0407011729.8850dee@posting.google.com...
> I am sorry for not being clear. I do want to buy a 16:9 HDTV. But I
> want to get the best standard TV picture on it. I heard that the
> Toshiba 30HF83 (and other sizes) stretch the picture in seach a way
> you hardly notice it. Does the SONY HS 420 TVs do that?
>
> "Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<Y--dnV2ipfVZG3nd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
> > "SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:95650bb5.0407011337.2879765b@posting.google.com...
> > > Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> > > looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> > > projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> > > offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> > > the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> > > plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:
> > >
> > > SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> > > Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> > > priced somewhat lower)
> > >
> > > Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> > > is difficult to find out standard TV reception.
> > >
> > > Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> > > features?
> >
> > You are making a mistake buying a 4:3.
> >
> > 1. there is a lot of material in 16:9, including most dvd's.
> > 2. HD stretch/zoom/panarama modes do a heck of a lot better job of
putting
> > 4:3 into 16:9 than letterboxing does the reverse.
July 2, 2004 11:58:15 AM

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"David&Joan" <djmarchand@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Nothing beats a good direct view CRT for PQ. But the screen size is
limited
> to 34".
>
sony makes a 40" crt.

Sony KV40XBR800
http://www.hdtvpub.com/productdb/televisions/television...
Anonymous
July 2, 2004 1:34:55 PM

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True, but the original poster is looking for 16x9

Scott

"j" <sniffinpoprocksReMoVe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David&Joan" <djmarchand@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ym4Fc.6733$151.6455@fed1read02...
> > Nothing beats a good direct view CRT for PQ. But the screen size is
> limited
> > to 34".
> >
> sony makes a 40" crt.
>
> Sony KV40XBR800
>
http://www.hdtvpub.com/productdb/televisions/television...
>
>
Anonymous
July 2, 2004 9:41:31 PM

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My finalists for a replacement for my 27" XBR tube were the Sony GWIII and a
Sammy HLN. I had a couple of different stores switch the feed for both sets
to SD cable and OTA in one case. I picked the Sony because it seemed to
deliver a SD image that was easier on the eyes than the Sammy. DLP and LCD
were finalists because I do not like to stretch/zoom vs. OAR. Good luck.

YMMV

"SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95650bb5.0407011729.8850dee@posting.google.com...
> I am sorry for not being clear. I do want to buy a 16:9 HDTV. But I
> want to get the best standard TV picture on it. I heard that the
> Toshiba 30HF83 (and other sizes) stretch the picture in seach a way
> you hardly notice it. Does the SONY HS 420 TVs do that?
>
July 3, 2004 12:13:19 AM

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Simple, the cheapest that you like the picture of.............


"SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95650bb5.0407011337.2879765b@posting.google.com...
> Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:
>
> SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> priced somewhat lower)
>
> Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> is difficult to find out standard TV reception.
>
> Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> features?
Anonymous
July 3, 2004 12:31:14 AM

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The best HD set will do the best job of showing standard analog 4:3 TV
pictures (all bets are off on digital 4:3 pictures, where quality and
economics compete.) Don't fall for the idea that NTSC picture defects can
be minimized - - they're there, and there's nothing that can be done to
eliminate them. Propagation effects like ghosting and flutter will certainly
be eliminated if the analog signal is coming in by cable. Of course, a
misadjusted "sharpness" setting that exaggerates noise in the picture should
be corrected, and the reduced sharpness that results is just one of the
properties of the system - - a balance is usually possible. What ugliness
that remains is handily remedied by switching to an HDTV source. I receive
all major network's HD off the air with a total of over 20 digital stations
in the S.F. Bay Area - - It's almost as if HDTV has reached the level of
"standard" TV in this community.

I agree that the simplicity of the DLP optical system should eventually
result in lower cost, but until competition arrives that is willing to start
down that path, it won't happen. One unfortunate consequence of such a
simple system is the breakup of fast-moving spots of light against a dark
background into RGB after-images, called rainbows. More important is the
loss of luminance resolution when the extreme intensity (contrast) of the
Samsung sets is turned down in a dim viewing room. And for a while there,
Samsung couldn't make a set that didn't show a slightly green-tinted
picture, but they may have improved that. I did like the total freedom from
reflection of room lights from their screen, although that may mean their
screen is easier to damage than one behind glass - - perhaps a significant
problem if children are around.

I had the Samsung 61" DLP set for about 3 days and returned it in favor of
the 60" Sony LCD projection set - - that was about 18 months ago, and I've
been extremely satisfied with the choice ever since. I'm sure their 50" LCD
projection set would be equally spectacular.

Chuck

"SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95650bb5.0407011337.2879765b@posting.google.com...
> Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:
>
> SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> priced somewhat lower)
>
> Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> is difficult to find out standard TV reception.
>
> Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> features?
Anonymous
July 4, 2004 6:05:14 AM

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>> Nothing beats a good direct view CRT for PQ. But the screen size is
> limited
>> to 34".
>>
> sony makes a 40" crt.
>
> Sony KV40XBR800

A large percentage of owners of this set report various types of purity
problems. Having dealt with and researched the problem, I've come to the
conclusion that it's a defective design.

I wouldn't go larger than 34" when purchasing a flat screen direct view
set.
Anonymous
July 4, 2004 11:40:42 AM

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"SS" <sridhara@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95650bb5.0407011337.2879765b@posting.google.com...
> Since it will be a while before HDTV telecasts become standard, I am
> looking for a technology (direct view, LCD rear projection or DLP rear
> projection) that offers the best 4:3 standard TV picture besides
> offering high quality HDTV and DVD experience. I am only looking in
> the 34"-50" range and don't want to pay premium price for high end
> plasma models. Some models I have recently looked into:
>
> SONY HS 420 series - direct view (also toshiba direct view series)
> Samsung HLN DLP series (I feel, for the look and feel, these could be
> priced somewhat lower)
>
> Since local stores always plug these into closed loop HD reception, it
> is difficult to find out standard TV reception.
>
> Any new models (direct view or DLP) coming out soon that have better
> features?

I don't think that the display technology is what's important, it's how well
the electronics convert 480i (particularly with very poor color quality,
ugly noise and other artifacts) into a 720p or 1080i image for display. It
used to be the many lower-cost HDTVs didn't seem to do a very good job of
this, leading to NTSC images no better than or even worse than they would be
on a regular analog TV. Now, it seems that more and more HD sets, even quite
inexpensive ones, do a better job of upconverting the signal to the point
that it often looks better than on an analog TV.

But you should definitely try to see standard TV on the sets to compare. I
know of some stores where I live that routinely (some of the time) show
regular TV on all their sets, including HD sets, so maybe you can find one
that does that too, or ask if they'll switch it for comparison purposes.

Direct view CRT sets have good picture quality and often a decent price, but
are only availble at the very bottom of your size range, and at those sizes
are typically very heavy and somewhat bulky. CRT rear projection is probably
the best bargain at larger sizes, and with decent picture quality (though
not always as bright as other technologies, and somewhat limited viewing
angle), but the sets are usually large and bulky, and burn-in can be an
issue, as well as possibly requiring more calibration than some other
technologies. I like DLP as a technology, though sets up to now have used
only the earliest form of the chips. Newer chips just now becoming available
promise a choice of lower price (with slighly improved visual quality) or
potentially significant improvements in image quality (such as 1080p and
much higher contrast ratio).
Anonymous
July 4, 2004 11:40:43 AM

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"Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> You are making a mistake buying a 4:3.

Understanding that he in fact does want 16:9, and that in the size range he
is talking about I would recommend 16:9 also, I would say that at smaller
sizes, the choice isn't as clear. For sets of about 26-30", I'd actually
recommend a 4:3 HD-capable set (so long as it also improves the appearance
of most standard TV signals by eliminating visible scanlines, which most
newer HD sets do a pretty good job of). And of course for smaller sizes
still, there really isn't much choice (assuming you don't want an
obscenely-expensive LCD panel, which usually doesn't have the best-looking
picture anyway).
!