My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
Show him this thread, every person here will say that the E6300 is superior to the 4200+ in every way. The E6300 is faster because of the way its built, it can do more in one clock cycle then the 4200+, so the clock speed doesnt need to be as high.
My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
Ask him if he can potentially get 3.5 ghz outta the 4200+
I have an E6600 and a 4400+ x2. I OC'ed the 4400 to 2.4 ghz to bring the AMD on par with the C2D, or so I thought. Even overclocked, the X2 can't touch the C2D in ANY test I use to compare. The best OC I got out of my AMD was 25%, which seemed pretty impressive. I've got a 68.7 % OC out of my C2D. The C2Ds also run cooler than the K8 did. It even throttles itself back when it's not under load. Now considering my previous 8 CPUs were AMD, you could conclude that this is an unbiased opinion.
You could turn it back on him in asking how an AMD with a lower clock could outperform the previous generation Intel.
Show him some of the benchmarks right on THG. Right Here.
Unfortunately, the 6300 isn't on there yet, so you'll have to compare the 6400.
Just to make it fair, bump the AMD up to a 4800+ and still watch it get smoked....
If you don't need the build for a little while, the C2D prices are set to drop in Q2. If you're really patient, AMD's new chips come out later this year, which will either beat C2D, or at least compete, lowering prices on both sides.
first, start off by telling your friend that thats the same issue as was when the pentium 4 faced off against the athlon 64, athlon 64 had a lower clockspeed but was faster so his argument is invalid. Second search some benchmarks and show the 6300 pwning the hell out of even a 4800+
My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
Ask him if he can potentially get 3.5 ghz outta the 4200+
I have an E6600 and a 4400+ x2. I OC'ed the 4400 to 2.4 ghz to bring the AMD on par with the C2D, or so I thought. Even overclocked, the X2 can't touch the C2D in ANY test I use to compare. The best OC I got out of my AMD was 25%, which seemed pretty impressive. I've got a 68.7 % OC out of my C2D. The C2Ds also run cooler than the K8 did. It even throttles itself back when it's not under load. Now considering my previous 8 CPUs were AMD, you could conclude that this is an unbiased opinion.
You could turn it back on him in asking how an AMD with a lower clock could outperform the previous generation Intel.
To be fair, you didn't OC that 4400+ anywhere near its potential.
Slap him and call him an idiot. When he realizes that the situation has hit the fan to the point of physical contact he will understand that you mean business. Also you could just tell him that I said C2D was better and there is a chance he may listen. lol
At this time this is one of the better deals out there. The only drawback is that it is a dead socket 939 no longer supported by AMD.
It depends on what he is going to use the machine for.
Just food for thought!
Check it out on the thg cpu performance charts.
My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
Ask him if he can potentially get 3.5 ghz outta the 4200+
I have an E6600 and a 4400+ x2. I OC'ed the 4400 to 2.4 ghz to bring the AMD on par with the C2D, or so I thought. Even overclocked, the X2 can't touch the C2D in ANY test I use to compare. The best OC I got out of my AMD was 25%, which seemed pretty impressive. I've got a 68.7 % OC out of my C2D. The C2Ds also run cooler than the K8 did. It even throttles itself back when it's not under load. Now considering my previous 8 CPUs were AMD, you could conclude that this is an unbiased opinion.
You could turn it back on him in asking how an AMD with a lower clock could outperform the previous generation Intel.
To be fair, you didn't OC that 4400+ anywhere near its potential.
So I OC the 4400+ to 2.75 ghz and the E6600 to 3.6 ghz, and you think THAT'S going to be a fair comparison? Even if I only clocked the E6600 to 2.75, it would still knock the snot out of the X2. Are you suggesting I didn't hit the ceiling with the X2? Do you think I've hit the ceiling with the C2D yet?
At this time this is one of the better deals out there. The only drawback is that it is a dead socket 939 no longer supported by AMD.
It depends on what he is going to use the machine for.
Just food for thought!
Check it out on the thg cpu performance charts.
You're kidding right?
Why are they showing an LGA775(intel) HSF in the ad?
RJ, that is one sic OC you have there! What NB and CPU voltage settings are u using? Also what is ur memory set at, just curious, cause I may take mine higher!
My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
I have to agree with RandMcNally. If your friend "truly" values your opinion/input, he'll take your word for it. From the sounds of it, he isn't listening. Just tell him that you gave him advice, and if he's unhappy/regretful with his purchase.....talk to the hand. Some people have to learn the hard way... and even then, will never admit to being wrong. Don't fret over his choices.
RJ, that is one sic OC you have there! What NB and CPU voltage settings are u using? Also what is ur memory set at, just curious, cause I may take mine higher!
Best,
3Ball
CPU 1.48v
mem 1.90v
MCH (nb) 1.40v
ICHIO(sb) 1.60v
Mem settings.....5-6-6-20
40 mm fan on NB heatsink, 70 mm fan sitting over memory sticks undervolted for silence.
Some people have to learn the hard way... and even then, will never admit to being wrong. Don't fret over his choices. 