Alright, just got my tax refund its time to order up my new system.
My budget is $1500 the system will be used for Gaming.
After reviewing forums and all the other research this is what I have come up with.It's been a while since I have built a CPU so I am not sure about the compatibility of everything.
I will be dual booting XP and Vista. The new copy of XP I already have is the 64bit version.As far as overclocking, I will not be doing any from the start, however I do want to learn so the rig needs the option available. It would be minimal though as I wouldn't want to risk screwing something up.
Here it is:
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 - 136.13
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128017
E6400 - 242.54
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115004
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 PC2 6400 - 223.48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231087
ENERMAX FMA II EG565P-VE ATX12V 535W Power Supply - 109.24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817194010
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB - 103.78
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148140
LG Black 18X DVD+R - 32.76
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136108
SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB - $273.78
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102067
COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-KKN2-GP - $59.68
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119106
MASSCOOL 8WA740 90mm Ball Cooler - $25.94
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835150081
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $11.53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835100007
SCEPTRE x22wg-Gamer Black 22" 5ms DVI HDMI LCD Monitor - $374.89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824112005
Windows Vista Home Basic OEM DVD 32Bit - $108.77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116196
The prices listed above include tax and shipping.
Darn Newegg opening a warehouse in the state. :x
Well I am about $180 over budget. I need to either change some stuff up to save the money without risking gaming performance or find another dealer to save on tax which would be 9.25 % saved. I like Newegg though. Any ideas on another great vendor?
What can I do to cut $180.
On the monitor what about the:
BenQ FP222W Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen HDMI LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824014131
327.74 with tax. However the Sceptre above has a 1200:1 contrast ratio. Worth the price difference?
I have a similar Cooler Master Centurion case, it's fine, but one bad thing is it collects dust very badly in the mesh on the front. The entire front of mine is made of the mesh while I see the one you picked is only the edges. You will be vacuuming it A LOT.
You can save $110 by not going with Vista yet, especially Vista Basic which IMO wouldn't do anything much better than XP does.
Overall that looks great, thumbs up.
I do not want to vacuum a lot. Any suggestions on another case with good cooling around that price range?
Is the 8800GTS 320MB coming out on the 12th?
I may want to wait for that card.
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VERY smart move, don't waste your money on a 1950. Get the 8800, no question. IF you can wait
If not, use your old card til you can get the 8800.
And DON'T bother with Vista Basic, you might as well flush money down the toilet. Get that new system, kickA$$ vid card, and then cripple with the Vista Basic?? OUCH.
I am dual booting vista and xp 64 bit.
Am I still going to cripple myself?
Not sure I understand.....
What I meant is that Vista Basic is the toilet version of Vista. With your new setup it can handle much better than Basic. It's kinda like building a great new hotrod car, all tweaked out, and then you put a Hyundai Pony engine in it
Save your money for a bit longer and get Home Premium, it comes with most of the toys. By that time, drivers and program support will be better for Vista as well.
OK, I gotcha now.
I can do that. I just wanted DX10 support for games so I could try it out when a game come out.
What is a good cheap video card for about $60 that will hold me over until te DX10 cards get cheaper? Of course they could get cheaper on Monday.
$60 won't get you much to play games on in the meantime, so depends how long you're gonna wait.
-Radeon 9250 could work in a pinch
-NVidia FX5500 as well
Crap cards, but should hold you over for a short while.
I had a monitor purchased for me as a gift so that will free up some more money.
Here are the updated components.
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 - 136.13
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128017
E6400 - 242.54
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115004
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 PC2 6400 - 223.48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231087
ENERMAX FMA II EG565P-VE ATX12V 535W Power Supply - 109.24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817194010
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB - 87.39
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148144
LG Black 18X DVD+R - 32.76
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136108
MSI NX8800GTS-T2D640E 320-bit GDDR3 PCIe x16 Video Card - $421.55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814127225
Antec P180B - $152.54
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129017
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $11.53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835100007
Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium - $136.08
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116196
The prices listed above include tax and shipping.
The question is if I should buy the 8800 GTS now or wait till the next lineup is released.
For once, why get Vista if you aren't getting a DX10 card?
EDIT: Oh sorry, you changed it to 8800GTS... It actually seems like a pretty nice build then!
GREAT specs there, very nice system! You'll be blown away by the performance
Instead of buying everything via newegg, don't you have a local hardware shop that could match or even beat some of the componants you have listed pricewise? I have used newegg lots of times for more expensive items, but lets say harddrives and the like i buy locally. saves cost on shipping ect.
Several of the items have free shipping. I have found that most of the local vendors in my area charge higher prices. I am sure you could watch the sales and get a good deal though.
It should be a great improvement over my current system.
There's a very simple way to save yourself a few bucks, get the E4300 instead of the E6400!!!
I have never OC'd before and I would think the price would be worth the gain. It would also increase the FSB to 1066, isn't this good for OC'ing. The OC'ing will be minimal to ensure stability and considering I do not know what I am doing.
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All you do with the E4300 is set the FSB to 333 in the BIOS instead of the standard 200 and Voila! X6800 performance.
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I have a question about Vista Basic,
Wont that be better for gaming as for it has less resources running like "Media Center" while youre trying to play high demanding games.
I think you're overestimating the requirements of Vista and underestimating the abilities of a new dual-core system, and especially as it relates to gaming specifically.
Ultimate or Premium *might* have a few more things running (I don't have Basic so I can't compare) but a good system will handle it. Kinda like saying, "Won't a Ferrari suffer in performance in the quarter mile because the road has a 5% incline and isn't perfectly flat?" Same idea.
What about this PSU?
BFG Tech BFGR650PSU ATX 12v 2.0 / EPS 12V 650Watts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817702003
Also I found this memory with better timings.
SUPER TALENT 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820609026
Is it worth the extra $20?
Also would it work with my mobo?
Don't buy an 8800GTS unless you're getting an EVGA one.
First, unlike most of the 8800 coat tail hangers here, you're not really coming to terms with a few things:
Secondly, R600 is only a couple of weeks away, so you're paying a premium for DX10 exclusive performance, but you have no idea how the hard synthetic benchmarks will look or how ATI's counter will look.
For all you know, Nvidia's 8900GT or whatever comes next could destroy the 8800GTS in benchmarks and for lower the cost.
If you go with EVGA you can trade in for 100% of the amount you paid as long as it's within 3 months, so you get the best of both worlds.
You get the 8800GTS you want, but you also get the option of trading it in for Nvidia's next big bad boy, and for a small amount too.
Again, I don't hate the 8800GTS, all I"m saying is what everyone here knows but won't admit- And that's that you have no idea how the 8800GTS will do against REAL competitors.
I don't understand why using Newegg. If they charge you for tax has no sense. You could buy the components from other etailers like eWiz and you will save a lot of $$.
For example:
Gigabyte DS3 127.72
E6400 219.39 (OEM)
Enermax 535 81.27
I don't know where are you located, but ground shipping of those 3 items to Miami, for example, is 17.27.
I suggest a little more research for prices, that would save you a lot of US$ that you could use in whatever you want (including better-faster components)
By the way, regarding to the thermal paste, I'm getting THIS ONE. The reviews are brutal...
alright, here's what I have to comment on
lets start with cpu first, the mobo you chose is very nice, but get the e4300 instead and save some dough, oc that thing a bit and it will kill the 6400 because it will run cooler and you can save money.
So on the cooler, here's what I recommend, either get the acf7pro, the best cooler under the $40 range imo, even though it's $18, (newegg has gone wack, they have it at $60)
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=F [...] 23e97b01c0
or my personal fav, the tuniq, a 4300 with a tuniq will out clock a 6400 with basic cooling
http://www.xoxide.com/tuniq-t-120-hsf.html
Then let's move onto paste, DaClan did a big review on thermal pastes, and proved that as5 is way over rated and is outperformed by many things, including the ceramic basic as
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835100012
mx-1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835100401
and shin etsu's x23, but that is impossible to find the US as far as I know (and the x23 outperformed as5 by over 5c
), though this site may ship to the your location safely, but I have never heard of it before
http://www.ajigo-store.com/se7783d.html
And don't be a fool and mess with that liquid metal crap, that stuff is not safe at all if you are going to use it on the masscool or acf7pro or stock cooler, it eats away at aluminum. Plugzman is a fool and does not know what he is talking about for recommending that thing for the aluminum masscool cooler
Then lets move onto the ram, what you choose is nice, but get something cheaper and save the dough, like this ram, because it has heat spreaders and will oc to the same speeds
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820141211
And the rest looks fairly good
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Before calling me a fool, I have to say that I never, ever suggested a CPU cooler. Maybe at the end he would buy a copper cooler, and there the Coollaboratory would fit nice. Sure, I forgot to tell "be careful because that product can't be applied in aluminium HS", sorry if I missed that point, my bad. But the product looks really great.
Sometimes being a "guru" like Tacos doesn't gives you rights to call another person what you want. Be respectful to earn respect.
Never thought I'd be called a guru for a long time, but ok, maybe I over did it, but my point was that if the op had suggested the masscool cooler, you should be sure to comment on those details, because other people that know may not always be around to catch them, and a person's cooler might become ruined because of a few extra c. Oh, and just something to add, there's a non destructive paste that outperforms the liquid metal, the shin etsu I mentioned
Ok I went to Ewiz to save on tax. Thanks for the info on that vendor.
Here is what I came up with.
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro $18.50
E6300 $179.22
Antec P180B $128.75
Arctic Silver $2.11
Lite-On SHM-165H6S 16X LightScribe Dual Layer DVD+/- RW Drive $37.85
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200rpm 16MB $76.73
Antec TruePower Trio 650 650W Power Supply $110.21
STT DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB) CL4 Dual Channel Memory Kit T800UX2GC4 $212.18
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 $111.24
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium X64 Edition $116.39
EVGA nVidia GeForce 8800GTS KO ACS3 640MB 2DVI/HDCP PCI-Express $458.35
That info was great on EVGA and did not know they had a step-up policy.
I would get the e4300 if you want a major oc, but most of it looks good. And I still would consider waiting until the r600 comes out, it's right on the horizon now
| Quote : I would get the e4300 if you want a major oc, but most of it looks good. And I still would consider waiting until the r600 comes out, it's right on the horizon now |
Even with the EVGA step-up program?
I could have it for about 75 days then upgrade to whatever is out then.
I guess, but it's not guaranteed teh 8900 will outperform the r600, the same way it's not guaranteed the r600 will outperform the 8800gtx (though a lot of people are betting lots of time and money on it)
Chiefvalue, which is a reputable seller have the 8800GTS in 389.99 -30.00 MIR. The link is HERE. The shipping is 5.99 3 day. I suggest that site to get it.
lose vista and get vista ultimate at a later date (fall or winter), no point getting it now
that should save you some money that would be otherwise wasted.
(if its the looks that you want, there are many ways to get your XP looking like vista... even the whole aero glass thing with windowsblinds 5)
dawg, if you want to save money, there's a $300 gts on the verge of coming out, my fellow taco's and I have known about that for almost 2 months now; if you want to save money and get excellent performance, that's where your money's best bet's at
| Quote : Chiefvalue, which is a reputable seller have the 8800GTS in 389.99 -30.00 MIR. The link is HERE. The shipping is 5.99 3 day. I suggest that site to get it. |
Thanks for the info. I found several items cheaper on ChiefValue.com than ewiz.com. I was then able to upgrade a few omponents and stay within my budget.
Lineup. I think this is final any last comments before I order?
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro $18.50
E6300 $179.22
Antec P180B $114.99
Arctic Silver $2.11
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R, LightScribe Black IDE $31.99
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200rpm 16MB $76.73
ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply $135.99
STT DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB) CL4 Dual Channel Memory Kit T800UX2GC4 $212.18
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 $111.24
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium X64 Edition $116.39
EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB $389.99
| Quote : lose vista and get vista ultimate at a later date (fall or winter), no point getting it now Embarassed that should save you some money that would be otherwise wasted. |
That's a good point, but maybe he doesn't have an XP to install in the new PC... Anyway, if you are going to use the PC for gaming, as the subject says, Vista Ultimate may be overkill. And you can update from Home Premium to Ultimate anytime (just paying the difference as long as I know).
I have a copy of XP 64 bit. I plan on dual booting.
I got none, except to get difference ram than the super talent, they used to be amazing, but recently (less than a week ago) switched from micron IC to promos, so I'd get something different there, such as buffalo or crucial, that I know still have micron IC's. Then consider this case before buying the p180, I have one myself, and a lot of the p180's amazing airflow is detered by all the wire clutter it has, so if you want nice looks and cooling, get the antec 900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129021
But if you want silence, then I guess p180 is the way to go
Also get the ds3 instead of the s3, the s3 has almost zero cooling, and if you can find it at a nice rate, the ds4 (much better cooling)
And on the os, here's what I would do, I would download a copy of xp pro x64 off their website for free (180 day trial, loving mine) and see how 64 bit goes for you driver wise, because you need certified drivers for 64 bit vista, and you always wait until service pack 1 on microsoft OSes. So tyr that out and see how it goes for you, then once vista has been out a little longer and microsoft issues patches for it, especially service pack1, then you buy vista (try to get the ultimate edition, if not, home premium actually has every feature with the exception of encryption, so it's even better than business)
Go to Frys.com for your P180B. $119.99. Last week had a $40 rebate, made it $80
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I did not see a rebate for this case on their site.
Maybe it expired. Darn
I'm telling you, at least take a look at the antec 900 before buying anything, this is coming from a p180 user
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I'm sold on the 900. Plus it saved me $25. Hmm what to put that $25 into...
sweet, put it into watching this!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IP0Jzl2kRfM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJn [...] ed&search=
But actually I think you should put it into the cooler and get a tuniq tower. And I thought you'd like the 900
I like the first video. The cooler is out of stock. Is it worth that much money. Surely there is something better than what I have choosen without that large of a price jump.
it's in stock and less at xoxide
http://www.xoxide.com/tuniq-t-120-hsf.html
But as for something in between and cheap, that's hard to find, the only coolers that are close to as good as the tuniq are still over $40 and some are even $60. But there is this cooler that I like a like
http://www.hexus.net/content/item. [...] 738&page=3
But I have no idea when or even if it will come to the us or for how much
Ok I am sold on the Tower. My CPU keeps getting better and better.
Thanks for all of the input. I know these critique my build posts can get old.
They do, but that's the whole reason why I'm around. People criticize me for spending too much time at forums, but the satisfaction of helping someone out with a major purchase definitely outweighs not being criticized for me. Others may disagree, but I like to help people out
And I may consider getting the e4300 instead, because on air you will probably achieve the clocks, but if you ever go water, you will be multiplier limited (motherboards can't hit over 520 fsb, that's the wall even on the rd600, give or take 10 fsb) on the 6300, where as the 4300 won't. It's up to you.
OK. It's ordered now I can't wait to put it togethor.
Here is the final list of ordered parts:
E6300 1.86GHz 1066MHz 2MB
Arctic Silver 2.5g Tube
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200rpm 16MB
STT DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB)
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3
Windows Vista Home Premium X64
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner
ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W
EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
Tuniq Tower Cooler
a nice build you have, as I said, there were a couple of things I would have changed such as the cpu, thermal grease, ram and possibly waiting on vista, but a nice build nonetheless
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