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$1500 Gaming System. Ordering Tonight. Tax Refund Arrived.

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February 10, 2007 8:31:14 AM

Alright, just got my tax refund its time to order up my new system.

My budget is $1500 the system will be used for Gaming.

After reviewing forums and all the other research this is what I have come up with.It's been a while since I have built a CPU so I am not sure about the compatibility of everything.
I will be dual booting XP and Vista. The new copy of XP I already have is the 64bit version.As far as overclocking, I will not be doing any from the start, however I do want to learn so the rig needs the option available. It would be minimal though as I wouldn't want to risk screwing something up.

Here it is:

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 - 136.13
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

E6400 - 242.54
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 PC2 6400 - 223.48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

ENERMAX FMA II EG565P-VE ATX12V 535W Power Supply - 109.24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB - 103.78
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

LG Black 18X DVD+R - 32.76
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB - $273.78
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-KKN2-GP - $59.68
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

MASSCOOL 8WA740 90mm Ball Cooler - $25.94
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $11.53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

SCEPTRE x22wg-Gamer Black 22" 5ms DVI HDMI LCD Monitor - $374.89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Windows Vista Home Basic OEM DVD 32Bit - $108.77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

The prices listed above include tax and shipping.
Darn Newegg opening a warehouse in the state. :x

Well I am about $180 over budget. I need to either change some stuff up to save the money without risking gaming performance or find another dealer to save on tax which would be 9.25 % saved. I like Newegg though. Any ideas on another great vendor?
What can I do to cut $180.

On the monitor what about the:
BenQ FP222W Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen HDMI LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
327.74 with tax. However the Sceptre above has a 1200:1 contrast ratio. Worth the price difference?
February 10, 2007 8:55:34 AM

I have a similar Cooler Master Centurion case, it's fine, but one bad thing is it collects dust very badly in the mesh on the front. The entire front of mine is made of the mesh while I see the one you picked is only the edges. You will be vacuuming it A LOT.

You can save $110 by not going with Vista yet, especially Vista Basic which IMO wouldn't do anything much better than XP does.

Overall that looks great, thumbs up.
February 10, 2007 9:11:01 AM

I do not want to vacuum a lot. Any suggestions on another case with good cooling around that price range?
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February 10, 2007 9:15:25 AM

Is the 8800GTS 320MB coming out on the 12th?
I may want to wait for that card.
February 10, 2007 1:02:57 PM

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Is the 8800GTS 320MB coming out on the 12th?
I may want to wait for that card.



VERY smart move, don't waste your money on a 1950. Get the 8800, no question. IF you can wait ;)  If not, use your old card til you can get the 8800.

And DON'T bother with Vista Basic, you might as well flush money down the toilet. Get that new system, kickA$$ vid card, and then cripple with the Vista Basic?? OUCH.
February 10, 2007 1:05:59 PM

I am dual booting vista and xp 64 bit.

Am I still going to cripple myself?
February 10, 2007 1:16:13 PM

Not sure I understand.....

What I meant is that Vista Basic is the toilet version of Vista. With your new setup it can handle much better than Basic. It's kinda like building a great new hotrod car, all tweaked out, and then you put a Hyundai Pony engine in it ;) 

Save your money for a bit longer and get Home Premium, it comes with most of the toys. By that time, drivers and program support will be better for Vista as well.
February 10, 2007 1:24:39 PM

OK, I gotcha now.

I can do that. I just wanted DX10 support for games so I could try it out when a game come out.

What is a good cheap video card for about $60 that will hold me over until te DX10 cards get cheaper? Of course they could get cheaper on Monday.
February 10, 2007 1:31:04 PM

$60 won't get you much to play games on in the meantime, so depends how long you're gonna wait.

-Radeon 9250 could work in a pinch
-NVidia FX5500 as well

Crap cards, but should hold you over for a short while.
February 10, 2007 1:57:49 PM

I had a monitor purchased for me as a gift so that will free up some more money.

Here are the updated components.

GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 - 136.13
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

E6400 - 242.54
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 PC2 6400 - 223.48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

ENERMAX FMA II EG565P-VE ATX12V 535W Power Supply - 109.24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB - 87.39
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

LG Black 18X DVD+R - 32.76
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

MSI NX8800GTS-T2D640E 320-bit GDDR3 PCIe x16 Video Card - $421.55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Antec P180B - $152.54
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $11.53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium - $136.08
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

The prices listed above include tax and shipping.

The question is if I should buy the 8800 GTS now or wait till the next lineup is released.
February 10, 2007 2:35:56 PM

For once, why get Vista if you aren't getting a DX10 card?

EDIT: Oh sorry, you changed it to 8800GTS... It actually seems like a pretty nice build then!
February 10, 2007 2:45:40 PM

GREAT specs there, very nice system! You'll be blown away by the performance :) 
February 10, 2007 2:55:32 PM

Instead of buying everything via newegg, don't you have a local hardware shop that could match or even beat some of the componants you have listed pricewise? I have used newegg lots of times for more expensive items, but lets say harddrives and the like i buy locally. saves cost on shipping ect.
February 10, 2007 3:02:44 PM

Several of the items have free shipping. I have found that most of the local vendors in my area charge higher prices. I am sure you could watch the sales and get a good deal though.

It should be a great improvement over my current system.
February 10, 2007 3:07:40 PM

There's a very simple way to save yourself a few bucks, get the E4300 instead of the E6400!!!
February 10, 2007 3:12:51 PM

I have never OC'd before and I would think the price would be worth the gain. It would also increase the FSB to 1066, isn't this good for OC'ing. The OC'ing will be minimal to ensure stability and considering I do not know what I am doing.
February 10, 2007 3:35:32 PM

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I have never OC'd before and I would think the price would be worth the gain. It would also increase the FSB to 1066, isn't this good for OC'ing. The OC'ing will be minimal to ensure stability and considering I do not know what I am doing.


All you do with the E4300 is set the FSB to 333 in the BIOS instead of the standard 200 and Voila! X6800 performance.
February 10, 2007 3:35:45 PM

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Not sure I understand.....

What I meant is that Vista Basic is the toilet version of Vista. With your new setup it can handle much better than Basic. It's kinda like building a great new hotrod car, all tweaked out, and then you put a Hyundai Pony engine in it ;) 

Save your money for a bit longer and get Home Premium, it comes with most of the toys. By that time, drivers and program support will be better for Vista as well.


I have a question about Vista Basic,
Wont that be better for gaming as for it has less resources running like "Media Center" while youre trying to play high demanding games.
February 10, 2007 3:44:40 PM

I think you're overestimating the requirements of Vista and underestimating the abilities of a new dual-core system, and especially as it relates to gaming specifically.

Ultimate or Premium *might* have a few more things running (I don't have Basic so I can't compare) but a good system will handle it. Kinda like saying, "Won't a Ferrari suffer in performance in the quarter mile because the road has a 5% incline and isn't perfectly flat?" Same idea.
February 10, 2007 5:16:43 PM

Don't buy an 8800GTS unless you're getting an EVGA one.

First, unlike most of the 8800 coat tail hangers here, you're not really coming to terms with a few things:

Secondly, R600 is only a couple of weeks away, so you're paying a premium for DX10 exclusive performance, but you have no idea how the hard synthetic benchmarks will look or how ATI's counter will look.

For all you know, Nvidia's 8900GT or whatever comes next could destroy the 8800GTS in benchmarks and for lower the cost.

If you go with EVGA you can trade in for 100% of the amount you paid as long as it's within 3 months, so you get the best of both worlds.

You get the 8800GTS you want, but you also get the option of trading it in for Nvidia's next big bad boy, and for a small amount too.

Again, I don't hate the 8800GTS, all I"m saying is what everyone here knows but won't admit- And that's that you have no idea how the 8800GTS will do against REAL competitors.
February 10, 2007 5:24:40 PM

I don't understand why using Newegg. If they charge you for tax has no sense. You could buy the components from other etailers like eWiz and you will save a lot of $$.

For example:

Gigabyte DS3 127.72

E6400 219.39 (OEM)

Enermax 535 81.27

I don't know where are you located, but ground shipping of those 3 items to Miami, for example, is 17.27.

I suggest a little more research for prices, that would save you a lot of US$ that you could use in whatever you want (including better-faster components)
February 10, 2007 5:27:56 PM

By the way, regarding to the thermal paste, I'm getting THIS ONE. The reviews are brutal...
February 10, 2007 6:04:24 PM

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And don't be a fool and mess with that liquid metal crap, that stuff is not safe at all if you are going to use it on the masscool or acf7pro or stock cooler, it eats away at aluminum. Plugzman is a fool and does not know what he is talking about for recommending that thing for the aluminum masscool cooler


Before calling me a fool, I have to say that I never, ever suggested a CPU cooler. Maybe at the end he would buy a copper cooler, and there the Coollaboratory would fit nice. Sure, I forgot to tell "be careful because that product can't be applied in aluminium HS", sorry if I missed that point, my bad. But the product looks really great.

Sometimes being a "guru" like Tacos doesn't gives you rights to call another person what you want. Be respectful to earn respect.
February 10, 2007 9:24:53 PM

Ok I went to Ewiz to save on tax. Thanks for the info on that vendor.

Here is what I came up with.

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro $18.50
E6300 $179.22
Antec P180B $128.75
Arctic Silver $2.11
Lite-On SHM-165H6S 16X LightScribe Dual Layer DVD+/- RW Drive $37.85
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200rpm 16MB $76.73
Antec TruePower Trio 650 650W Power Supply $110.21
STT DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB) CL4 Dual Channel Memory Kit T800UX2GC4 $212.18
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 $111.24
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium X64 Edition $116.39
EVGA nVidia GeForce 8800GTS KO ACS3 640MB 2DVI/HDCP PCI-Express $458.35


That info was great on EVGA and did not know they had a step-up policy.
February 10, 2007 9:37:03 PM

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I would get the e4300 if you want a major oc, but most of it looks good. And I still would consider waiting until the r600 comes out, it's right on the horizon now


Even with the EVGA step-up program?
I could have it for about 75 days then upgrade to whatever is out then.
February 10, 2007 9:59:43 PM

Chiefvalue, which is a reputable seller have the 8800GTS in 389.99 -30.00 MIR. The link is HERE. The shipping is 5.99 3 day. I suggest that site to get it.
February 10, 2007 10:09:52 PM

lose vista and get vista ultimate at a later date (fall or winter), no point getting it now :oops:  that should save you some money that would be otherwise wasted.

(if its the looks that you want, there are many ways to get your XP looking like vista... even the whole aero glass thing with windowsblinds 5)
February 10, 2007 10:43:30 PM

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Chiefvalue, which is a reputable seller have the 8800GTS in 389.99 -30.00 MIR. The link is HERE. The shipping is 5.99 3 day. I suggest that site to get it.


Thanks for the info. I found several items cheaper on ChiefValue.com than ewiz.com. I was then able to upgrade a few omponents and stay within my budget.

Lineup. I think this is final any last comments before I order?

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro $18.50
E6300 $179.22
Antec P180B $114.99
Arctic Silver $2.11
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R, LightScribe Black IDE $31.99
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200rpm 16MB $76.73
ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply $135.99
STT DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB) CL4 Dual Channel Memory Kit T800UX2GC4 $212.18
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 $111.24
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium X64 Edition $116.39
EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB $389.99
February 10, 2007 10:46:03 PM

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lose vista and get vista ultimate at a later date (fall or winter), no point getting it now Embarassed that should save you some money that would be otherwise wasted.


That's a good point, but maybe he doesn't have an XP to install in the new PC... Anyway, if you are going to use the PC for gaming, as the subject says, Vista Ultimate may be overkill. And you can update from Home Premium to Ultimate anytime (just paying the difference as long as I know).
February 10, 2007 10:48:24 PM

I have a copy of XP 64 bit. I plan on dual booting.
February 10, 2007 10:56:09 PM

Go to Frys.com for your P180B. $119.99. Last week had a $40 rebate, made it $80
February 10, 2007 11:02:22 PM

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Go to Frys.com for your P180B. $119.99. Last week had a $40 rebate, made it $80


I did not see a rebate for this case on their site.
Maybe it expired. Darn :( 
February 10, 2007 11:33:02 PM

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I'm telling you, at least take a look at the antec 900 before buying anything, this is coming from a p180 user


I'm sold on the 900. Plus it saved me $25. Hmm what to put that $25 into...
February 10, 2007 11:54:05 PM

I like the first video. The cooler is out of stock. Is it worth that much money. Surely there is something better than what I have choosen without that large of a price jump.
February 11, 2007 12:23:53 AM

Ok I am sold on the Tower. My CPU keeps getting better and better.

Thanks for all of the input. I know these critique my build posts can get old.
February 11, 2007 12:58:12 AM

OK. It's ordered now I can't wait to put it togethor.

Here is the final list of ordered parts:

E6300 1.86GHz 1066MHz 2MB
Arctic Silver 2.5g Tube
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200rpm 16MB
STT DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB)
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3
Windows Vista Home Premium X64
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner
ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W
EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
Tuniq Tower Cooler
February 11, 2007 3:27:03 AM

The Tuniq Tower is an awesome cooler. You won't be happier. I expect a nice overclock from that machine of yours... :) 

...... And you could order the Coollaboratory :D 
February 11, 2007 2:31:31 PM

I think I'll stick with something that has proven itself.
I am just not to sure about that liquid metal stuff.
February 11, 2007 2:38:11 PM

Is not my intention of hijack the thread or something, but there are reviews that put the Coollaboratory ahead the Shin-Etsu by a wide margin, like THIS one. And it makes sense to me, since the thermal conductivity of the CLP is 82 compared to around 6-9 the others pastes give.

Of course, the others are excellent products too, and with the Shin Etsu or AS5 you don't have to face a risk of damaging something, but the CLP looks like an awesome thermal material.
February 11, 2007 2:49:20 PM

Well, my take on it ALL is that if someone is worrying about 2 or 3 degrees C between thermal compounds, then that person should be hanging out over at XtremeSystems where they debate lesser variances than that.

For even the enthusiasts, a couple degrees won't matter. If it does, then you should throttle back your overclock. A couple megahertz won't make a performance difference unless having the biggest e-penis around is important.

Pick a thermal compound you like, they'll all do the trick.
February 11, 2007 2:56:51 PM

I would have to agree. I just don't think the stuff is worth the risk if your not overclocking to the extreme. It is definatley something to keep your eye on. What will be next...
February 11, 2007 3:09:06 PM

Depends how you define "enthusiasts". I'm not gonna debate semantics though.

Honestly, as long as your CPU doesn't get too close to the limit you're fine. Running 42 or 49 at load won't matter really. Running 52 or 62 will. My point is there's a limit, and there's also a "degree" of reasonability (pun unintended).....getting 2 degrees lower so you can hit 4.2 ghz overclock....sure that might matter. But 2 degrees so you can hit 2.6 ghz......doesn't matter.

It's not a question of absolutes; rather, a question of priorities. Doing everything possible to get massive overclocks and very low temps.....I'd bet most people won't care. A *very* select, *very* small minority of computer users do care. And for them, it's a priority (ie-important), so good for them. But when you step back from it all and look with some perspective, a few degrees won't matter in the big picture to the vast, vast majority of users. And it's those people that won't care, so for them, any thermal interface is just fine.
February 11, 2007 3:56:20 PM

Let's take this to the cage. LOL
February 11, 2007 3:59:23 PM

LOL.

Rock, Paper, Scissors?



PAPER!!


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