I'm thinking of building a cheap lan rig using my spare a64 3200. Is the 6600gt still any good and whats the most you should pay for it? or would it be better to pay a bit more for a x1600/7600?
it will play Counter-strike Source good, and Pretty much all Valve games
i wouldnt use it if your really into gaming
also for BF2 or B2142 is still ok but you will have a hardtime finding one and it will be overpriced... i suggest a 7600GS/GT or X1650 PRO/XT according to your $$$
In BF2 I can pull an average of 60fps (40fps min) at 1024x768, but that's with everything at low, dynamic light and shadows off. It also sometimes puts me at a disadvantage because the grass is more like a big blob instead of fine blades and is harder to see through. In FEAR, with video on medium, my frame rates sometimes dip down to 19fps, which is typically when there are two or three other people trying to kill me (successfully) and I need the fast response the most. I'd pony up a bit more for a 7600GT or a x1650xt if you want to play today's games and enjoy them more.
In Doom3 or RTCW I can run 1280x1024 with everything pretty much on high no problem, so for your games two years old or more it does work great.
I don't know about games within a year ago, but I can still play games like halo on high settings and valve games on my 6600gt, but I doubt anything beyond that, I have an x2 4000 which is essentially the dual core version of the 3200 you have, but I overclocked mine up to 3ghz and I have two gigs of ram
| Quote : it will play Counter-strike Source good, and Pretty much all Valve games
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Yea, if you're running games like CS, a 6600GT will do good.
Most current games, won't play all that well, no matter what.
So it really depends on what games you play.
| Quote : So it really depends on what games you play.
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yes and also the resolution.
my 68gt played all games with high settings great.
but that was at 10x7.
it lagged some at 16x10 though.
it really lags now as it has no hdd
| Quote : So it really depends on what games you play.
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yes and also the resolution.
my 68gt played all games with high settings great.
but that was at 10x7.
it lagged some at 16x10 though.
it really lags now as it has no hdd
yeah, things generally do that 8O
Anyways, you had sli 6800gt s, for a single card solution, I think the x1600pro would be the best choice, I found a few for less than $80 on newegg, but they were out of stock
Let's say my 6600GT is still kicking it.
I can play things like Test Drive Unlimited at 1024x768 with motion blur on med settings. It'll play any recent game up to 1024x768 on med settings... of course, it all depends on the game.
I played R6 Vegas at 800x600 on low settings, but with HDR enabled.
HL2 and CS:S run pretty good (above 30 fps) at 1024x768 with 4xAA.
I just wanted to give you some examples of what you can expect of the 6600GT (don't even think about Supreme Commander
).
not bad, but for the same price, you could get a cheap x1600pro, which is the better choice by far
i had 68gt,s in sli for a little while.
then split them up to make another computer.
couldnt use the aftermarket coolers on both.
they wouldnt fit in my case.
i now have an 88gts just sitting collecting dust.
edit; my one 68gt played the games i play just fine at 10x7.
bf2,fear, and yes oblivion with 80% of the sliders maxed.
| Quote : i now have an 88gts just sitting collecting dust. |
Send it this way then.
no ill have my new hdd by the middle of next week.
i hope.
What's wrong with the gts, I thought you were talking about how amazing it was just a few days ago?
| Quote : not bad, but for the same price, you could get a cheap x1600pro, which is the better choice by far |
According to this, the 6600GT and the X1600Pro are in the same tier.
It's a matter of brand preference, IMO.
meh, that's a review that toms did, I have seen plenty of places where those have been wrong, but they are right for the most part, if you google it, you'll find it's in the same category as the 7600gt, not 6600gt, as the 6600gt has 8 pipelines, while the 7600gt, 6800gt, and x1600pro have 12 pipelines, putting those three into the same category, but seeing as the x1600pro is the cheapest followed by the 7600gt, I would choose either a high clocked xfx 7600gt, or a cheap x1600pro and use ati's catalyst software to clock it up to 7600gt speeds (if you use catalyst your warranty is still valid)
Maybe Cleeve can clear your confusion a little bit...
As far as I know, the X1650Pro/XT can be compared to a 7600GT.
Anyway, this has gone far enough. Too off-topic.
the 68gt has 16 pipes.
| Quote : As far as I know, the X1650Pro/XT can be compared to a 7600GT.
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yes they are pretty close.
| Quote : not bad, but for the same price, you could get a cheap x1600pro, which is the better choice by far |
According to this, the 6600GT and the X1600Pro are in the same tier.
It's a matter of brand preference, IMO.Uhh, no; the X1600 pro is faster than the 6600GT, as it's a generation newer.
Edit: You can find a 6600GT for $50 after mail in rebate on tiger direct. On SLI Zone it says: "Now through the rest of March, save $40 with a rebate at TigerDirect.com. Click HERE to pick up one (or two!) of these SLI-Ready graphics cards from BFG Tech." Those cards would be just as slow in SLI...
Really? According to newegg that's false, but what does newegg know :?
| Quote : Too off-topic. |
no, you have no idea what off topic is, trust me, in my mind, considering the topics I have seen, we are perfectly reasonable since we are still discussing gfx cards for the op
| Quote : Really? According to newegg that's false, but what does newegg know :?
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no, you have no idea what off topic is, trust me, in my mind, considering the topics I have seen, we are perfectly reasonable since we are still discussing gfx cards for the op
yeah the 68gt=16 pipes.
68gs=12 pipes
76gt=12 pipes and is a little better than the 68 with half the memory.
Hmm, then I wonder what would be better between the 7600gt and 6800gt, looks like 6800gt to me, but it is clocked so low stock, that I would think a high clocked 7600gt would beat it out
| Quote : Uhh, no; the X1600 pro is faster than the 6600GT, as it's a generation newer. |
So, following your reasoning, a 7300GS would be faster than a 6600GT, right?
All because is a generation newer.
| Quote : we are perfectly reasonable since we are still discussing gfx cards for the op |
On a second thought, yeah, I agree.
hehe lol, I'd like to see 7300le beat out 6800gt
| Quote : I would think a high clocked 7600gt would beat it out |
The 7600GT trade blows with the 6800 Ultra and the X850XT. Of course, it has a 128 bit memory interface, but the clocks are really high.
well for the price of around 100frogskins for the 76gt
and it doesnt require a power connect.
i would go for a 76gt.
last i checked the 68gt,s (if you can find them) are 250$ or so. 8O
Then I would go for the x1950 pro in that case, many pipelines there, just over $160, fast fast fast, I think that would work
There's only one 16 pipeline 6800gt left on newegg, an open box for $215, I'd go for an x1950xt for that price
| Quote : So, following your reasoning, a 7300GS would be faster than a 6600GT, right? |
i would go for the 66gt over the 73gs.
| Quote : So, following your reasoning, a 7300GS would be faster than a 6600GT, right? |
i would go for the 66gt over the 73gs.
I would go for a frogskin over the 7300le 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
7600GT > 6800GT.
6600GT is more powerful than a 7300 also.
| Quote : 7600GT > 6800GT.
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my 68gt (oc,ed of course) beats my brothers 76gt (in benchies
)
gaming seems about the same.
| Quote : 6600GT is more powerful than a 7300 also. |
There are some GDDR3 versions of the 7300GT that really stand out.
I think those are based on the 7600 GPU.
What are the two cards clocked at? Will help point out which is the better card, price
erformance, 7600gt wins in my book, but what do I know, I'm a taco
They have the same core I believe, anything besides the 7800series and 7900series use the same core as the 7600gt, but I could be wrong
| Quote : What are the two cards clocked at? Will help point out which is the better card, price |
mine is 350 and 1000.
my brothers is 550 and 1.2(i think)?
for benchies i score a 6000 in 3dmark05 and 3200 in 06
my brothers 76gt scores around 5700 in 05 and 3000 in 06.
this is with both cards oc,ed.
but yes i would take the 76 over a 68 card because of the price
and less power requirement.
So it look like 7600gt still wins tacos
rice, but 6800gt wins in performance thanks to the 4 more pipelines, they seem to make a big difference considering the clockspeed difference
it plays newer games ok on medium settings but youd be better off getting a 7600gt or when the new nvidia cards come out get an 8500gt
| Quote : Uhh, no; the X1600 pro is faster than the 6600GT, as it's a generation newer. |
So, following your reasoning, a 7300GS would be faster than a 6600GT, right?
All because is a generation newer.
| Quote : we are perfectly reasonable since we are still discussing gfx cards for the op |
On a second thought, yeah, I agree.
A 6600GT has a core speed of 500MHz with 8 pixel pipelines; the X1600 Pro has a core clockspeed of 500MHz with 12 pixel pipelines. The X1600 Pro also has the advantage with HDR+AA, non angle-dependent anisotropic filtering, and the AVIVO hardware acceleration features that the 6600GT simply cannot compete with. Perhaps you are the one with the brand bias as you're recommending an older, slower videocard, with a smaller feature set.
| Quote : A 6600GT has a core speed of 500MHz with 8 pixel pipelines; the X1600 Pro has a core clockspeed of 500MHz with 12 pixel pipelines. The X1600 Pro also has the advantage with HDR+AA, non angle-dependent anisotropic filtering, and the AVIVO hardware acceleration features that the 6600GT simply cannot compete with. |
Points taken. But let's not forget about PureVideo. And that the X1600Pro does not have enough horsepower to do HDR+AA without taking a heavy hit in performance (kind of meaningless to have a feature you can't use properly, isn't it?).
| Quote : Perhaps you are the one with the brand bias as you're recommending an older, slower videocard, with a smaller feature set. |
I'm not recommending anything. I just pointed out your nonsense reasoning. Being a generation newer does not imply it'll be more powerful.
Slower? I'd like you to see the THG VGA Charts. Sticking to 1024x768 (which is the resolution you'd play with any of these cards), even with some AA or AF, they perform almost the same.
EDIT: I just want to make this clear: the X1600Pro does not have 12 Pixel Pipelines... it has 12 Pixel Shaders... it's not the same thing.
Not at all true, I don't care how many times you check toms's charts, an x1600pro will outperform a 6600gt everytime consistantly, perhaps if either one had more memory, that may change the tide, but it's mainly the pipelines that matter
| Quote : A 6600GT has a core speed of 500MHz with 8 pixel pipelines; the X1600 Pro has a core clockspeed of 500MHz with 12 pixel pipelines. The X1600 Pro also has the advantage with HDR+AA, non angle-dependent anisotropic filtering, and the AVIVO hardware acceleration features that the 6600GT simply cannot compete with. |
Points taken. But let's not forget about PureVideo. And that the X1600Pro does not have enough horsepower to do HDR+AA without taking a heavy hit in performance (kind of meaningless to have a feature you can't use properly, isn't it?).
| Quote : Perhaps you are the one with the brand bias as you're recommending an older, slower videocard, with a smaller feature set. |
I'm not recommending anything. I just pointed out your nonsense reasoning. Being a generation newer does not imply it'll be more powerful.
Slower? I'd like you to see the THG VGA Charts. Sticking to 1024x768 (which is the resolution you'd play with any of these cards), even with some AA or AF, they perform almost the same.
EDIT: I just want to make this clear: the X1600Pro does not have 12 Pixel Pipelines... it has 12 Pixel Shaders... it's not the same thing.
I'd rather have a feature perfrom poorly, than not have it at all. Also, AVIVO kills purevideo as you can use it for encoding and decoding for free. I don't even think the newer versions of purevideo support the 6600GT. The X1600 has 12 pixel shaders and 12 TMUs. Personally, I think a 7600GT would be an even better buy, but I suppose I got stuck on the X1600 because that was card the OP had mentioned.
The X1600Pro has 12 Pixel Shaders and 4 TMUs. Link
AFAIK, PureVideo supports GF6, GF7 and GF8 series. Link
The only features the 6600GT does not support are Inverse Telecine and Bad Edit Correction in HD content.
I also think a 7600GT would be better, by all means.
FPS wise, yes, the 7600gt is the better choice, 3dmark wise, I think that atis have naturally been better there according to many sites
| Quote : Not at all true, I don't care how many times you check toms's charts, an x1600pro will outperform a 6600gt everytime consistantly, perhaps if either one had more memory, that may change the tide, but it's mainly the pipelines that matter |
Well...
Link 1
Except for the Riddick bench (it has problems with the OpenGL 2.0 NVidia driver, it seems those guys didn't know about it), both cards perform very closely.
Link 2
A comparison of the full X1000 lineup, when introduced, a year and a half ago. Quoting AnandTech: "In the midrange space, the X1600 XT performs okay against the 6600GT" (the following information about pricing isn't relevant, it's too old).
Please note that they were comparing the X1600XT against the 6600GT.
Link 3
Even though the 6600GT used in this article is a 256 MB version, I included this just for reference. Take this article with a grain of salt.
Link 4
Again, a 256 MB 6600GT is used. It seems the bigger frame buffer is giving it some advantage in lower resolutions.
About the pipelines, I've already posted a link to a Guru3D article with a list of the X1600Pro specs. Just in case, here it is again. Link
| Quote : 3dmark wise, I think that atis have naturally been better there according to many sites |
Throughout the time, it has been proven many times that a higher 3DMark score doesn't mean anything.
I played Oblivion and BF2 on my 6600GT and it was decent, you won't get good frame-rates unless you drop the quality but it should work.
Just borrow some cash and get a 8800 gts or sell the car or house whatever and get a Gtx .
Now we are of topic
I know that, just saying where each has it's strong points, imo, card of choise right now to me would be the x1950pro, especially since some are as low as $160, there's a real nice card, you just need to overclock it a bit to get to xtx speeds
| Quote : Maybe Cleeve can clear your confusion a little bit...
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The X1650XT is comparable to the 7600GT, not the X1650pro though.
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