The AMD Squeeze: Nvidia Intros GeForce 8800 for $300

The sweetest spot AYE for us Price vs Performance Whizzes XD

For the price, this is the best card, hands down. He's just saying this 8800GTS suffers from less memory when the eye candy gets turned on. The 30" displays referred to are probably REALLY hi-def, around 2500x1600. I think this card would be great for you monitor, unless you want to pay $400 for a regular GTS.

Gentlemen, I believe the X1950XT killer is here .

pretty certain there wont be any 512 cards this generation they have gone with funny ram sizes. they cant justswitch back.

and seeing as how Nvidia support under Vista blows at the time...pushing out more DX10 counterparts is really helping them

forgive my ignorance but why does the memory affect how it plays at higher res since the x1950 ultimate only has 256MB. can someone explain what it is about theis GTS that causes it to fail but the x1950 not to?

I was going to say that too. It doesnt make sense that the GTS has more memory and yet they said it didnt have enough to complete the tests, and the x1950 pro only has 256mb and it can complete the test.

EDIT: Also did anyone notice that the x1950 pro scored exactly the same in both FEAR tests? Did they really test this card or pull results out of the air?

Yeah but the GF8600 series has a normal/commonplace bitwidth of 128bit or 256bit so 256MB and 512MB isn't a big deal; while the GF8800 series has a 320bit or 384bit, so a 512MB models isn't possible without either messing with the memory chip allotment or changing the way the memory interacts with the core, both of which defeat the purpose of 384 vs 512bit.

if you dont play at insane resolutions the 320mb version is the best card for the price out there, still nvidia has to make good rivers for that one and all the others , it has no sense that the x1900xt with 256 mb performs better than de 8800 320mb just if we think that the performance of 8800 is cut by memory size at high resolutions ! are better 256 mb than 320? with a wider bus! haha

I guess your right. I seem to have fished a 8800 GTS from EVGA with 640MB. Struggling with drivers, hope the core dumps help. Nice thing I have this setup on Ultra SCSI 3, 15000 RPM, 4ms avg seek. Wrote the dump before the blue screen. 8O

I can think of a couple of reasons: -

1) Because I spent an inordinate amount of time less than 2 years ago specifying a PC with a view to doing SLI at some point. So I ended up with an SLI certified motherboard, an SLI certified 600W PSU and an SLI certified GF6800GT. Even then I balked at the need for an expensive 600Watt power supply and I don't feel it was unreasonable to expect some upgradeability with it.

20 months on and with the 6800 dead I am flabbergasted to discover that to do SLI with any current DX10 card I'll need 750+ Watts. In fact the majority of PSUs on the SLI certified list are 1000Watt, there's even an 1100Watt PSU listed!

2) Because there’s an environmental catastrophe bearing down on all of us, fast! But nVidia and ATI, intent as they are on their little speed war, seem blind to this impeding disaster. They really need to rein in the power requirements, constantly ramping it up with every generation of card they produce is highly irresponsible. They have as much of a responsibility as every other industry to clean up their act and should not be creating the need for this type of power requirement.

Then there's the landfill somewhere, gradually filling up with the previous generation of PSUs that, whilst serviceable, can no longer drive the latest monster graphics cards.


Well I for one won’t be beefing up my PSU and when I do need a new one I'd like to think I'll be going in the other direction.

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Awesome

Go Bucks!

That's not a reason, that's a hope or assumption. And SLi, if you have an SLi PSU then you already have enough juice for one card. If you're SLi'ing a GTS-320 instead of buying a single GTX then you have other issues. If you wanna play with the Big Boys you gotta pay the price of upgrading ALL THE TIME. Like was mentioned no one is forcing you to uprade, and no game outpaces any current solution that fits within that power envelope (heck nothing is unplayable on an X1950P let alone any old high end SLi).

Flabergasted !?! HOW could you be?
We've be talking about self contained nuclear generators in rigs since the FX5900/R9800Pro-256DDRII era. Always expect that part of the demand for Mo' Powah, will be the need for.... you guessed it, more power.

Puh-lease, that's just Ridiculous!!

You cannot put the desire for SLi and then concern for the environment in the same FAQin post!
Get a damn integrated solution if you care more about the environment, not SLi !!

What you're saying makes no sense, there is a market for that, it's not the enthusiast or gamer market. And if you wanna be anal about it, the Watt per op goes down from high end to high end, but you can't appreciate it because you wonder why the Teraflop PCs are consuming more energy than a Vic20 or Apple ][, not appreciating that they consuming relatively less for their functionality.

Yeah I know, every time you replace a PSU an Angel Loses their wings.
PSUs are far from the biggest issue. :?

Then get a laptop or integrated, just stop asking why your M1A1 tank isn't as efficient as a Prius !!

One other thing if anyone knows anything about: Can the computation abilities of CUDA able cards be partitioned somehow, like half of a card for physics and half for graphics or similar? or should one go for +1 cards by the time. I know this is an anti high-end dual/quad sli point of view, but don't flame me for that. Thanx.

which games exactly.

i cannot comment on unreleased games. however, at that res i am sure the gts 320MB will do fine and then some for todays games. how well, newer ones will play are anyone's(or at least someone better informed) guess.

FS's review shows 1280x1024 (with 4XAA when it can handle it);

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] efault.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] efault.asp

You may have difficulty finding the GF7950GTX as it's not a normal retail combo (it's mainly GFGO 7950GTX), but the 7950GT and the 7900GTX are in those reviews, so check the specs of the one somone is selling as a GF7950GTX and figure out where you stand.

My question is this:

If you were to SLI two 320's together, would that eliminate any problems that are coming from not using a 640m card?

No, SLi does not add memory it simply copies the information into both small chunks, so the areas where 640MB would be an advantage are still there, the only wuestion becomes whether the now more powerful core combination is more of an influence than the memory buffer.

Not possible. Maybe you hit areas where you had 110fps, but there is no way that was anywhere near your average when you were outside, especially in the heavy foliage areas.

corrected

EDIT: just noticed he is taking the piss. for one he has a AMD 4800 which i assume is 939 as he upgraded a 3500 running DDR2 and also has 2 x 200GB raptors which don't exist.

Actually we are all wrong. My HDD are Caviars ? and its a 4600 dual core AMD, so sorry for the misleading quotes of hardware, but it still remains that I am getting 100+outdoors with all foliage on.

Tbh I don't care what dickheads like some of you think, I can think of better ways of challenging posts then calling my a liar or saying what I read on the FPS meter is wrong. I know what I saw so basically grow up you silly little kids.

The facts have been reported. I love seeing people make TWATS of themselves by being mean, it makes my day

Post a Fraps run then.

Based on everyone else's runs, even RobX2's SLi and non-SLied GTXs, I doubt he'd believe the consistantly above 110+fps in foliage.

You haven't reported facts, just your opinion.
Ours is that your opinion lacks supporting evidnce/facts and goes contrary to everyone else's reports sofar. So either your 'everything to max full AA' differs from others, or you're posting high points not averages, or your test areas aren't that stressful.

Now a fact would be [H]'s run with everything cranked and AA less than max, getting nowhere near 110+fps, let alone averaging that, and with a Superclocked GTS;
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/arti [...] VzaWFzdA==

So TBH, considering your other error, I doubt your figures based on your inability to actually provide solid information on something you should know (CPU model and HDD names are provided to you, and can be referenced in your system). So your perception of 110fps or proper setting is in question more than ever.

you know this confuses me, i don't know for sure but as your cpu is not that much if any faster than my own and my crossfire setup should compare well with your GTS i find you results odd.

for fun i decided to turn dow my res to 12 x 10 and play oblivion in the great forest, i was in a prett sparse spot and my FPS was about 10 FPS higher than at 19x12, it was in the 40's roughly, i went deeper and it went to about 30-40 FPS but nearer 30.

i then turned it up to 16x12 and my FPS retuned to the same as 19 x 12 at around 25-40 FPS depending on how thick the forest and what sort of mood oblivions happens to be in today.

now, you are trying to tell me that with your setup at times you can get 80 FPS more than me doesn't ring true. oh and i play everything maxed with 4xAA and 16xAF, no shadows on the grass.

No probably not since I am a trained PC World Technician and we all know how bad they are.

Still, like I said, it really doesnt matter what you think, I'm having a great game thanks!

If you want screenshots, then go buy the card and find out. I posted here just to tell you what Ive seen, to be ridiculed like this just isnt worth it.

Mayber in the great forest I will start to see it, but Darkstar Tower is enough to lower my framerate to 60.

Are you running Francescos or Oscuro's mod?