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Quick last question, raptor or barracuda buying tonight

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February 12, 2007 11:58:13 PM

:)  First time posting, but I have been reading for a while. What do you think of this list. Any opinions are appreciated. The case already has a 120 mm exhaust and I have a 600w Allied PSU. Want to try some overclocking do I have enough coolers if I install two 80mm intakes. Thanks for you time.

COOLER MASTER SAF-S83-E1 80mm Case Fan - Retail
Model #: SAF-S83-E1
$9.99

ASUS P5B Deluxe LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: P5B Deluxe
$178.99

SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 VIVO HDCP Video Card - Retail
Model #: 100186L
$249.99

Verbatim 4.7GB 16X DVD+R LightScribe 10 Packs Disc - Retail
Model #: 95116
$9.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E4300 - Retail
Model #: BX80557E4300
$174.99

Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AA1005 - Retail
Model #: BL2KIT12864AA1005
$312.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: ST3320620AS
$89.99

SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black IDE Model SH-S182M/BEBN - OEM
Model #: SH-S182M/BEBN
$30.99

Microsoft Windows XP Home Sp2b 1pk w/Upgrade Coupon for Vista - OEM
Model #: N09-02142
$89.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
Model #: ARCTIC SILVER 5
$5.99

ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail
Model #: CNPS9500 AT
$47.99

ZALMAN VF700-CU 2 Ball VGA COOLER - Retail
Model #: VF700-Cu
$29.99

Subtotal: $1,231.88

Again, thanks for you time.
February 13, 2007 12:29:31 AM

Depending on budget constraints, the new 8800GTS 320MB version is on sale for $299 on newegg. If you haven't seen it, there are some benchmarks on the site today.
February 13, 2007 12:31:59 AM

I like the setup.
Couple suggestions.
Do you really need two DVD burners? Just wondering. Maybe hold off on one and get a blue ray burner when it gets cheaper.

Secondly, I like the tuniq tower CPU heatsick better, but that my opinion.

Lastly, I like the Seagate, but I use the raptor 10,000RPM for the OS and applications. It has much faster loading times. It's more expensive for less hardrive storage, but I use the seagate/raptor combo which gives me a little of both storage and performance.
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February 13, 2007 12:32:36 AM

thanks I will look at the video card suggestion.
February 13, 2007 12:39:45 AM

One is just blank dvd media sorry but I thought I would try the lightscribe thing out.
February 13, 2007 1:15:45 AM

If it was me I'd switch out that DVD burner for the SATA version. Yeah it's the same drive for $16 more, but I like having all SATA.
February 13, 2007 1:17:49 AM

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instead of the arctic silver 5 you should consider this shin etsu thermal compound:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1683...

it's the same price $5.99 but performs better, as tested in this article:

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/DaClan-Review-T...


Thanks, Never thought about researching thermal paste so thouroughly. I will probably change since same price. Is the raptor hd that much faster to make it worth the money for less storage. I will have a 200 gig fileserver in the network for storage should I go with the raptor?
February 13, 2007 1:19:26 AM

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If it was me I'd switch out that DVD burner for the SATA version. Yeah it's the same drive for $16 more, but I like having all SATA.


Thanks, will I have any problems with hard drives or loading OS without a regular hd?
February 13, 2007 1:20:30 AM

also don't know how much of a budget you're on but the Crucial Ballistix 1000 mHz ram is a bit overkill - that money would probably be better invested in he video card...or whereever your needs may be -

very informative article on ddr2 memory performance:

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=3&ar...
February 13, 2007 1:38:55 AM

Quote:
also don't know how much of a budget you're on but the Crucial Ballistix 1000 mHz ram is a bit overkill - that money would probably be better invested in he video card...or whereever your needs may be -

very informative article on ddr2 memory performance:

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=3&ar...


First time overclocking and did not want any problem with the ram when I started playing around. Could you suggest a different newegg ram choice. Any thoughts on raptor vs barracuda for os. Is it worth the money?
February 13, 2007 1:41:20 AM

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If it was me I'd switch out that DVD burner for the SATA version. Yeah it's the same drive for $16 more, but I like having all SATA.


Thanks, will I have any problems with hard drives or loading OS without a regular hd?

Changed thermal paste and sata dvd. Still wondering about raptor vs. barracuda and cheaper memory suggestions for overclocking 4300. THANKS AGAIN to everybody who has helped so far.
February 13, 2007 1:45:19 AM

Sorry about the two DVD comment.... not enough coffee today or something.
The raptor is the fastest out there. It will speed up loading times, but at a cost.... more $$ less storage. Thats why I use the 7200.10 for pictures, videos, game images, ect and the Raptor for the OS and application loads.
Basically, it comes down to preference. The raptor is faster, costs more, slighlty louder, but if performance is high on your list then go for it. If you can wait a little longer for apps then the Seagate is the way to go. If you already have a large file server, the Raptor would be nice. The way I have mine set up, the seagate acts almost like an external harddrive that is hooked up. If your OS is on the raptor it will load with windows then the seagate would be an "extra" HD in your "my computer file" which can be used for storage.

Here is a nice review from summer 2006.
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2803&p=...
February 13, 2007 1:51:10 AM

for O/C a e4300 you can use DDR2-667. You don't O/C the memory. You can but then you are not talking the cheap stuff. I bought a value Brand (Kingston, I think) for use with the same CPU
February 13, 2007 2:14:02 AM

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for O/C a e4300 you can use DDR2-667. You don't O/C the memory. You can but then you are not talking the cheap stuff. I bought a value Brand (Kingston, I think) for use with the same CPU


Does overclocking the ram help performance that much? If it does is my choice the right one or can I overclock a cheaper alternative?
February 13, 2007 2:18:18 AM

this might help you out on deciding whether to get the barracuda or Raptor drive - the short end of it is I would go for the seagate drive it has the best bang for the buck. This article compares the exact ones that you are looking to buy.

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2922

page 8 and 9 of the article goes on to show the load times of games Raptor vs. Seagate - the raptor ends up loading a 1 minute "Battlefield 2"level 2 seconds faster, and The Sims level .5 [half a second :roll: ] quicker... but it's like 2x the price AND it's only 74 gigs :?

EDIT: quick note this is a different article than the one mentioned from last summer, it compares the latest Raptor drive with the "upgraded" 16mb cache (up from 8mb) while the seagate already has 16mb
February 13, 2007 2:24:13 AM

Quote:
for O/C a e4300 you can use DDR2-667. You don't O/C the memory. You can but then you are not talking the cheap stuff. I bought a value Brand (Kingston, I think) for use with the same CPU


Does overclocking the ram help performance that much? If it does is my choice the right one or can I overclock a cheaper alternative?

No, very little compared to the CPU O/C. No, you would want something like XMS2 or some of OCZ's stuff
February 13, 2007 4:29:04 AM

Pulled the trigger. Here is the list. thanks to everybody. You will probably see me again with newbie build questions next. Once again thanks to all for the help.

1 UBI SOFT GHOST RECON GRAW PC % - OEM
Item #: N82E16800992001
Standard Return Policy
$49.99

1 FAN CASE CM|SAF-S83-E1 RT - Retail
Item #: N82E16811999073
Standard Return Policy
$9.99

1 CABLE SYBA|SD-DVIDL-MM-6 RTL - Retail
Item #: N82E16812186011
Standard Return Policy
$8.99

1 MB ASUS P5B DELUXE P965 775 - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131045
Standard Return Policy
$178.99

1 VGA SAPPHIRE 100186L X1950XT R - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102067
Standard Return Policy
$249.99

1 DVD+R VERBATIM|95116 10PK 16X LS R - Retail
Item #: N82E16817130986
Consumable Items Return Policy
$9.99

1 CPU INTEL|C2D E4300 1.8G 775 2M R - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115013
Processors (CPUs) Return Policy
$174.99

1 MEM 1Gx2|KST DII667 KVR667D2N5K2/2G - Retail
Item #: N82E16820134046
Standard Return Policy
$169.99

1 HD 320G|ST 7K 16M SATA2 ST3320620AS - OEM
Item #: N82E16822148140
Standard Return Policy
$89.99

1 DVD_BURN SAMSUNG|SH-S183L LS SATA % - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151141
Standard Return Policy
$43.99

1 SW MS WIN XP HM ED SP2B 1PK UPG % - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116169
Software Return Policy
$89.99

1 CPU FAN ZALMAN|CNPS9500 AT RTL - Retail
Item #: N82E16835118003
Standard Return Policy
$47.99

1 VGACOOLER ZALMAN|VF700-CU - Retail
Item #: N82E16835118117
Standard Return Policy
$29.99

1 THERMAL GREASE MASSCOOL|G751 R - Retail
Item #: N82E16835150080
Standard Return Policy
$5.99

1 DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #21642 GIFT
$-49.99


Subtotal $1,110.87
Tax $0.00
UPS 3 Days $22.82
Order Total $1,133.69
February 13, 2007 4:34:28 AM

one last post before i pass out - in regards to the RAM selection, you should be able to overclock your e4300 just as far with 677 mhz ram as 800, or 1000 mHz for that matter. With that in mind here are some good choices

first the 667 mhz:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
78 bucks a gig, 4-4-4-12 timings hard to go wrong // made by PQI

675 mHz (ya i guess they have the ability to seperate ram by 8 mhz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
really good choice comes out to $82 a gig 4-4-4-12 // by Corsair

800 mhz - this awesome G skill memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
$219 for 2 gigs but the timings are 4-4-3-5 8O , with those timings i would estimate performance as good as the average 1000 mHz memory stick

good luck
!