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AMD x2 4400 to Opt 170/175

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February 13, 2007 4:00:07 PM

Just recently upgrade my p4 478 system to amd 939 and bought new x2 4400(ADV4400DAA6CD) for about USD230.Read some forums about overclocking x2 and many said opties have impressive oc than x2.

If you were me, should I keep my x2 or sell it and get opt for better performances?If do, which opt shall I get - 170 or 175?
Opt 170 priced same as x2 4400 but 175 is $50 higher here in JAPAN..!!(dont know what the hell theyr thinking bout marketing here)
Will I get huge performance differents from this Opty??

my 939 setup:
A8N-SLI Premium
2x 7600GS sli
2Gigs Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC4000
3x 200gb maxtor sata2
Audigy2 ZS Pt
430W PSU 12v-25A

Only bought cpu and mobo (gpu borrowed from junior) for this upgrade,other parts listed here were kept form recent system.
Already have C2D 6400 system, so dont have to post bout core2 upgrades here :wink:

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February 13, 2007 6:55:41 PM

Why not overclock your present chip and see how far it goes? Some 89w 4400+'s have been known to hit 2.9-3.0GHz on good air cooling, which is very close to the best 939 Opterons (3.1GHz air). Luck plays some part in determining the limits of your chip sample - it's certainly possible for an Opty 170/175 to cap lower than a 4400+, but the average Opty overclock is higher, and the price premium only reflects that.
February 13, 2007 7:47:16 PM

The main reason to get the opty would not necessarily be performance but would be a more stable system. The opty would have had more consistent results when they tested the die before they sent it out. basically the system would generally be able to be overclocked better or it would just run longer or under worse conditions than the athlon could, but none of that is 100% guaranteed as no two dies are the same.
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February 14, 2007 4:14:59 AM

I did not overclock yet my x2 and will try it later if I need to.Well I think I should keep this cpu until opt 175 or 180 price cut down to near $100 and get them, thanks for advices..

One more question, can I just plug in my hdd with installed windows from old P4 system to this x2 system without ever need to reformat?What should I do to make my previous windows works flawlessly in new pc?
February 14, 2007 4:37:32 AM

If you do plug in your hard drive from your previous install you will need to at least do a repair installation of windows and probably a format reinstall.

the repair installation is done by booting from the windows CD then continue past it asking if you want to run the recovery console and after the EULA it will say that it found an installation and ask if you want to repair it. hit "R" to repair.

If that does not work then you will need to format and reinstall to get windows to work properly. The reason that this needs to be done is because Windows logs the hardware in your computer and if too much of a change is made then it will refuse to work without a reinstall.
February 14, 2007 5:23:28 AM

thanks thexder...I will try that..it was really pain to reinstall all softwares and find those serial keys if I need to reinstall windows...Plus,my previous windows was heavily registry hacked for fast performance with some services alter and etc..yeah,boot time less than 30sec.

If there were another problems, I will post later.
February 14, 2007 7:53:37 AM

Keep the X2 4400+ as it usually does oc quite nicely.Yes the opterons do oc better because of more stringent quality control,But I've had my 4400 running at 2.75ghz per core stable on 1.5volts.You did in fact get a nice processor.The opty's have the same core so they do oc well.Keep the 4400,you will not be disapointed.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 S-939
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7800GT IN SLI
2X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD
EXTREME 19IN.MONITOR 1280X1024
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
February 14, 2007 8:07:34 AM

I think the scenario where the Opty would be the better choice, is if you were comparing overclocking an x2 3800+,4200+, or 4600+...where the extra 512k cache of the Opty combined with the overclock would make a difference. As it is, the 4400+ has 1MB cache, and should get to within 200MHz of the Opty, so it's definetely not worth it. GL :) 
February 14, 2007 8:35:23 AM

Ah,the X2 4400+ from AMD,has 1mb of L2 cache per core.Two cores,each with 1mb cache equals out to 2mb of L2 cache in total.Also to note,the opty utilizes the same core as the 4400.TOLEDO.The only real difference between the opty and the athlon 4400,is in the quality control.The opty is a server processor and is manufactured under more strnigint guidlines.Not trying to be a jerk,So please forgive me if I come across as one.It's a failing of mine.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 S-939
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7800GT IN SLI
2X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD
EXTREME 19IN.MONITOR 1280X1024
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
February 14, 2007 8:41:08 AM

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Ah,the X2 4400+ from AMD,has 1mb of L2 cache per core.Two cores,each with 1mb cache equals out to 2mb of L2 cache in total.Also to note,the opty utilizes the same core as the 4400.TOLEDO.The only real difference between the opty and the athlon 4400,is in the quality control.The opty is a server processor and is manufactured under more strnigint guidlines.Not trying to be a jerk,So please forgive me if I come across as one.It's a failing of mine.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 S-939
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7800GT IN SLI
2X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD
EXTREME 19IN.MONITOR 1280X1024
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
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February 14, 2007 9:45:42 AM

Opty has same toledo core as it has 1mb cache but from what I've read somewhere,opty has Power Now function built in that similar to Cool n Quiet, am I wrong?
And why opty do has power consumption 110W but from benchwarks and reviews, it consumes similar to x2 89W core for same clock speed.
I am new to this AMD tech and this is my first AMD system so need to learn a lot now. :wink:
February 14, 2007 3:34:54 PM

The X2 also has power now. they should be the same power usage and the same core and everything (I have an opteron 165 in my computer but it is not seeing the second core and abit claims that it is because their mobos do not support the opterons)
February 14, 2007 10:41:01 PM

I would not upgrade. The 4400 you listed is an 89 watt model (I think) and should be a pretty good OC'er. The difference between it and an Opty would be very little. Good Luck.
February 15, 2007 2:22:42 AM

Yep it is 89W 1mb core cache model and that is why I bought it. One more thing, if I overclock the x2, do I still able to use Cool n Quiet function?Does it hurt my overclocks?
February 17, 2007 5:07:19 AM

I am not sure about, you may have to start a new post to find out.
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