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If thats what the graphics will look like, i could say my $600 was well spent. This cards way ahead of its time, none of the games right now can show what its even close to capable of.

Reply to King-Of-Kings

mmm... I prefer Crysis screenshots...

Reply to The-Darkening

Gah. I almost want to install Vista....

Reply to darkstar782

Yea thats great......
instead of messing around making demos i wish they could release some decent drivers

Reply to triggerhappy
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Has anyone actually tried this demo?

Reply to anton

Yeah I like the Crysis screenshots too, but all those screenshots have been done on DX9.0. Most of those screenshots have been out long before Vista beta started. This amazes me, cause if DX9 can look that good, just imagine what they'll be able to do with DX10 once the devs get the hang of the new API.

Reply to techgeek
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The last time I saw this demo was when some nvidia guy showcased DX10 features on a Gamespot show using Windows XP and the demo ran on OpenGL.
So does this demo actually use Direct3D 10 now or is it just the same OpenGL demo from a few months ago?

Reply to boong

Actually this is supposed to be DX10 only, and I think what you were seeing was DX10 running in software mode before as per the comments made about it. Of course I could be wrong as there's alot of confusion about which ones are running in OGL and not, this was supposed to be the first true DX10 demo (hence so much Buzz leading up to it's eventual release), not running in DX10 and not software assisted/emulated.

The FROG and Smoke demos are definitely OGL.

Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

It uses what I believe DX 10 run-time. At 1600x1200 maxed out on auto pilot it bogs down pretty bad maybe like 5 fps. 8800GTX over all I wasn't all that impressed with the performance.

Reply to bydesign
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Downloading it now. I'll post screenshots and let ya'll know how it runs and looks. ;-)

Thanks to GGA for posting this link. Good find brother.

Reply to mpjesse

Very nice, however dx10 games will be the true test and most certainly will be a year or more. I would assume there will be a new G-card by then.

Reply to gomerpile
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OK guys, here's some actual in demo screenies I just took. Couple things to note from my perspective.

First, the water effects are a huge improvement over DX9. I'm sure with a little more tweaking they could be even better in DX10. The texture mapping of the rocks was pretty cool too. In the demo you can change the color of the lighting on the fly... doing so makes the scene look entirely different.

Overall it's cool, but I'm not all that impressed. The only thing to write home about is the water effects. And now the screenies...

(everything is at 1280x1024, 4x AA, 16X anistropic filtering... it ran well above 30FPS the entire time)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/protekt0r/cascades7.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/protekt0r/cascades6.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/protekt0r/cascades5.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/protekt0r/cascades4.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/protekt0r/cascades3.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/protekt0r/cascades2.jpg

For anyone that cares, here's my system setup:
Athlon X2 4800+ (Toledo)
2GB of DDR500 RAM
XFX 8800 GTX
nForce 4 SLI motherboard
Vista Home Premium 64 bit

Reply to mpjesse
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nice screens dude looks stunning but i guess its much better trying the demo :b

Reply to bullaRh

Quote :

For anyone that cares, here's my system setup:
Athlon X2 4800+ (Toledo)
2GB of DDR500 RAM
XFX 8800 GTX
nForce 4 SLI motherboard
Vista Home Premium 64 bit


An 8800GTX runing in 1280x1024......now there's a smart purchase...






:roll:

Reply to GeneticWeapon
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hey, high speed, stfu. I'm running all my games at 1600x1200 w/ 16X AA, and 16X AS and my desktop at same resolution. I ran the demo at 1280x1024 for the sake of high frame rates because, after all, this is a brand new API and driver. would you like me to take some fcuking 1600x1200 screenshots for you pumpkin?

jesus h. christ.

Reply to mpjesse
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here's 1600x1200. happy?

Reply to mpjesse

by the time more demanding DX10 titles arrive, 1280x1024 (4aa 16af), might be considered [much] more resource hungry resolutions and settings than were seeing here... (if that makes sense)

Reply to choirbass
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EXACTLY. and judging from this demo, that's absolutely true. 1600x1200 ran OK... (between 20-30fps), but 1280x1024 was nice and smooth.

and this demo is relatively simple. imagine crysis in DX10 at 1600x1200.

Reply to mpjesse
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I ran it at 1600x1200 and didn't notice any performance drop from 1280x960.

Overall it's not a very impressive demo...just rocks and water splashing on rocks. I get the sense the what I'm looking at can't be done on DX9...especially...the wet effect and the particle effect of the watter fall.

But you just don't feel..."Wow, this is a totally new level."

Reply to MowTin
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But you just don't feel..."Wow, this is a totally new level."



agreed. to me, Adriane was "wow". but now that DX10 is out, maybe we'll get some more cool demos from nVidia in the near future.

Reply to mpjesse
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hey, high speed, stfu. I'm running all my games at 1600x1200 w/ 16X AA, and 16X AS and my desktop at same resolution. I ran the demo at 1280x1024 for the sake of high frame rates because, after all, this is a brand new API and driver. would you like me to take some fcuking 1600x1200 screenshots for you pumpkin?

jesus h. christ.



Geneticweopon is not the smartest tool in the shed so I wouldn't worry about him to much :lol:

You also have to take your CPU into consideration as it is a bottleneck to the 8800GTX.

Reply to RobsX2

Could someone make a video of this. I liked the screen shots, but I would really like to see it in action.

Reply to M_with_one_M

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Geneticweopon is not the smartest tool in the shed so I wouldn't worry about him to much :lol:

You also have to take your CPU into consideration as it is a bottleneck to the 8800GTX.

Actually, he's not dumb; he's pretty hardcore when it comes to graphics and if he thinks you've made a foolish purchase, he isn't afraid to say it.

Reply to Heyyou27
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Could someone make a video of this. I liked the screen shots, but I would really like to see it in action.



lemme see what i can do with fraps

Reply to mpjesse

What I really can see is the change of global rendering compared to object rendering

Reply to gomerpile
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Well crap. I can't get FRAPS to work with this demo. Sorry guys. If anyone has any suggestions on different software, feel free...

Reply to mpjesse
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I ran the demo again and it looked different. Maybe it's because when I first ran the demo it was right after the dx10 runtime installed.

*Why does the demo install the dx10 runtime if Vista already had dx10?*

Anyway, now I notice how impressive the displacement mapping is. When you zoom in on the structure you see little hills and craters that occlude each other but when you press 'W' you see that the mesh is flat.

I think it's probably technically impressive but just not visually stunning.

Note: be sure install the 100.64 drivers...the others gave me weird artifacts for waterfalls. And be sure to reboot after you install the demo.

Reply to MowTin

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*Why does the demo install the dx10 runtime if Vista already had dx10?*



its probably just a DX10 update (would make sense, because theres a DX10 update that you can download from microsoft.com too)

Reply to choirbass

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Well crap. I can't get FRAPS to work with this demo. Sorry guys. If anyone has any suggestions on different software, feel free...




Try Camtasia

Reply to Simonetti
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Camtasia will bug down the frame rate even more than Fraps. I don't think Camtasia was meant to be recording 3D stuff like this where the frame rate is important.

Reply to krisz

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Camtasia will bug down the frame rate even more than Fraps. I don't think Camtasia was meant to be recording 3D stuff like this where the frame rate is important.



Unfortunatley I don't think you're going to be able to capture a short clip and retain the visual quality. A lot of times with FRAPs you have to run the clip through another program to get it to the point where it's not choppy, and also compresses the file. Downside to that is, you lose quality.

Reply to sweetpants

If you dont mind doing a registry tweak do this I have not tested this yet on vista because my bata has exp.



Go to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\DirectDraw].
Create a dword name it to: ShowFrameRate change value to 1 to enable and 0 disable fps. Use option in Hex

Reply to gomerpile
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Geneticweopon is not the smartest tool in the shed so I wouldn't worry about him to much :lol:

You also have to take your CPU into consideration as it is a bottleneck to the 8800GTX.

Actually, he's not dumb; he's pretty hardcore when it comes to graphics and if he thinks you've made a foolish purchase, he isn't afraid to say it.


Well that post was not exactly a shining example of his intelligence either.

Reply to RobsX2

Quote :

Geneticweopon is not the smartest tool in the shed so I wouldn't worry about him to much :lol:

You also have to take your CPU into consideration as it is a bottleneck to the 8800GTX.

Actually, he's not dumb; he's pretty hardcore when it comes to graphics and if he thinks you've made a foolish purchase, he isn't afraid to say it.


Well that post was not exactly a shining example of his intelligence either.

I find it rather amusing that Geneticweapon is no where to be seen in the argument about him lol :)

Reply to sweetpants
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Quote :

Well crap. I can't get FRAPS to work with this demo. Sorry guys. If anyone has any suggestions on different software, feel free...




Try Camtasia

i've been reading on other forums that camtasia doesn't work well w/ vista either. ;-\

Reply to mpjesse

I am not nearly as knowledgeable about this stuff as you guys are, but I have a new rig coming with vista premium and an EVGA GTS8800 card. Tell me if I am right: Crysis is not out yet. When it ships it will be the first DX10 game.

I am thinking of getting it just to see if it looks really cool.

Oh, one more thing. I see a lot of you talking about 1600X1200 resolution, which I think is my new monitors' native res. They are Samsung 204Bs (I got two of em. One for vertical and one for horizontal, and maybe both butted together for gaming if possible). Is 1600X1200 a common gaming format?

I have no opinion on geneticweapon's intelligence, but I think it is nice that jesse calls him "pumpkin"

Reply to davidinsarasota
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Howdy! I have the same exact monitor. Gaming in your resolution's native monitor is what's generally recommended. Right now 1600x1200 seems to be the new 1280x1024. Since you have a GTS, I wouldn't recommend gaming any lower unless your eyes can't handle it. The refresh rate for 16x12 is 60hz... which can be stressful on the eyes after a while. But it depends on the person.

Crysis is not out yet, that's correct. However, it may not be the first DX10 game. There are 2 games that may beat it to the market:

The DX10 patch for Flight Simulator X
Alan Wake

My money is on FSX.

Reply to mpjesse
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Quote :

Gas Powered Games' Supreme Commander, a massive real time strategy game, could steal first honours.

The game launches in the third week of February and Greg Jones from THQ told PCW a patch enabling DirectX 10 support (or Shader Model 4.0 for much more detailed pictures) will be a free download "within a month of the game shipping", so mid to late March.



Also a Company of Heroes patch is expected in late March. I doubt Crysis will be the first because I think they're waiting for the r600.

Argh...I can't take this waiting for dx10 games anymore...I'm going to freeze myself like Cartman till April :).

Reply to MowTin

Quote :


Argh...I can't take this waiting for dx10 games anymore...I'm going to freeze myself like Cartman till April :).



Yeah but by 2547, they'll have DX12 maybe out, and finally be running raytracing on a stable OS.... DEC VMS. :twisted:

Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

Quote :

Tell me if I am right: Crysis is not out yet. When it ships it will be the first DX10 game.



Supreme Commander comes out next week (Feb 20)and will be the first dx10 game. It also happens to fully support quad-core which I believe is a first as well.

Though, it being an RTS game, the dx10 version probably isn't going to be dramatically different then its dx9 one. I'm more interested to see how the framerates compare on the 2 versions more than anything though.

Reply to grifter33

Supreme Commander is out NOW in Europe.

It is no more DX10 than Flight Sim X - That is to say, DX10 has been promised for a future patch.

It DOES support multiple monitors though, and that rocks :D

Reply to darkstar782

SupCom WILL support DX10 in a later patch, as when it is released it will not support DX10, currently in the new COH 1.5 PATCH, if u goto "shader" in options and click on it you will see a "DX10" that is greyed out, which mean COH is going support DX10 hopefully in the coming 1.6 patch.

Reply to Xazax310
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Quote :

An 8800GTX runing in 1280x1024......now there's a smart purchase...


:lol: No offense meant toward mpjesse, but that cracked me up bigtime. I can't handle reading your work late at night when I'm tired and silly.

Reply to pauldh
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None taken... i'd of laughed too if I knew it were true.

Reply to mpjesse
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Quote :

None taken


Good to know. I think I better call it a night as these Chuck Norris in Oblivion videos just had me rolling too. :tongue:

Reply to pauldh
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Wow... i couldn't make thru 30 seconds of those. It IS time for u to hit the sack.

Reply to mpjesse
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:lol:

And I had just watched all five and was wondering when the next episode would come out. :oops:

Reply to pauldh
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Quote :

Howdy! I have the same exact monitor. Gaming in your resolution's native monitor is what's generally recommended. Right now 1600x1200 seems to be the new 1280x1024. Since you have a GTS, I wouldn't recommend gaming any lower unless your eyes can't handle it. The refresh rate for 16x12 is 60hz... which can be stressful on the eyes after a while. But it depends on the person.

Crysis is not out yet, that's correct. However, it may not be the first DX10 game. There are 2 games that may beat it to the market:

The DX10 patch for Flight Simulator X
Alan Wake

My money is on FSX.



yes i am waiting to see what the patch for f.s.x. is gonna be like.
of course i,ll have to get vista and a dx10 card.

dont think my 68gt will cut it. especially as i now have a 20.1 inch lcd
monitor at 1680x1050.

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