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Best P965 mobo for OC'ing C2D's?

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February 17, 2007 1:02:39 PM

Hi, finally I'm able to set foot in this Great THG forum for the first time.. Straight to the point, i wanna know what's the best mobo for overclocking core 2 duo procs. preferably an E6600.. :?:

I'm setting a big rig overhaul this mid march, considering i still have socket 478 system this time :(  ... I'm up to overclocking.. 8)

Any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated.. :wink:

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February 17, 2007 1:12:56 PM

tbh with an E6600 975X is still probably the fastest chipset in terms of performance.
It won't hit the same max. fsb as an 965 but with the 9x multi of an E6600 you weren't going to be hitting 500fsb anyway.

The fastest 965 at the moment though is the abit AB9 QuadGT.
February 17, 2007 1:31:54 PM

I've read a lot of reviews and it turns out that the P965 line-ups of mobos are better overclockers than that of the 975 series (correct me if i'm wrong here).. Let's put out the beast 680 chipsets out of picture here..

What about the Gigabyte's DS4? How does it compare with the abit AB9 QuadGT?, As from reviews, DS4 is also an overclocker....
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February 17, 2007 2:26:47 PM

asus commando period
February 17, 2007 2:29:04 PM

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tbh with an E6600 975X is still probably the fastest chipset in terms of performance.
It won't hit the same max. fsb as an 965 but with the 9x multi of an E6600 you weren't going to be hitting 500fsb anyway.

The fastest 965 at the moment though is the abit AB9 QuadGT.


Gotta love the misinformed :lol: 

so why am I at 506 mhz fsb??? 8O

I'm sending mine back for an RMA...must be broken :tongue:
February 18, 2007 3:12:10 AM

Exactly, thats why i wonder why did it become the THG's choice on their 7 mobo round-up for P965 article.. I'm leaning towards gigabyte in this case. Though Asus hooks up too... :roll:
February 18, 2007 3:14:36 AM

A nice board though, still i doubt it's performance in the long run with overclocked components on its back (aka Endurance)..
February 18, 2007 4:40:00 AM

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Exactly, thats why i wonder why did it become the THG's choice on their 7 mobo round-up for P965 article.. I'm leaning towards gigabyte in this case. Though Asus hooks up too... :roll:


That 7 board comparo was BS anyway. MSI gets stomped by the other boards as far as OC'ing. They didn't understand the whole dead spot issue with 965s. Gee I wonder why none of them got much higher than 350?....lol
I had mem error issues @ 400 mhz. going to 405 mhz, problem solved.

They didn't have the BIOS updates we have today. They probably were using a 5 stepping cpu from way back, when my 6 stepping smokes all of their results.

I'm sure they didn't understand the whole issue of changing the default multi on the CPU actually effects the NB fsb. I think they owe us an up-to-date review with all of the parameters where they should be...no old CPU's , no old BIOS. How about using an E6300 and cranking the snot out of the FSB and showing us the real max fsb...like somewhere in the 500s?
Did they use a stock HSF? Who attempts to find max OC with a stock HSF? That's like putting a leash on a greyhound!
February 18, 2007 9:08:24 AM

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tbh with an E6600 975X is still probably the fastest chipset in terms of performance.
It won't hit the same max. fsb as an 965 but with the 9x multi of an E6600 you weren't going to be hitting 500fsb anyway.

The fastest 965 at the moment though is the abit AB9 QuadGT.


Gotta love the misinformed :lol: 

so why am I at 506 mhz fsb??? 8O

I'm sending mine back for an RMA...must be broken :tongue:
because you aren't running the 9x multi ... :tongue:
February 18, 2007 10:16:14 AM

From what I have seen the Gigabyte DS3 is one of the most popular 965 overclockers out there with very good results.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1075792
Sorry to post a link to another forum but this is pretty good. Make sure to use the F10 bios version (most new boards should ship with this one already)
February 18, 2007 10:21:08 AM

From what I have seen the Gigabyte DS3 is one of the most popular 965 overclockers out there with very good results.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1075792
Sorry to post a link to another forum but this is pretty good. Make sure to use the F10 bios version (most new boards should ship with this one already)
February 18, 2007 3:11:54 PM

Quote:
tbh with an E6600 975X is still probably the fastest chipset in terms of performance.
It won't hit the same max. fsb as an 965 but with the 9x multi of an E6600 you weren't going to be hitting 500fsb anyway.

The fastest 965 at the moment though is the abit AB9 QuadGT.


Gotta love the misinformed :lol: 

so why am I at 506 mhz fsb??? 8O

I'm sending mine back for an RMA...must be broken :tongue:
because you aren't running the 9x multi ... :tongue:

Um...that's the beauty of it, you can drop it to 8x and get even BETTER performance 8)

Where exactly is your data showing that an overclocked 975x performs better than an overclocked P965?

dick
February 19, 2007 10:00:22 AM

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Where exactly is your data showing that an overclocked 975x performs better than an overclocked P965?

all over the net.
Clock for clock over 400fsb 975X is faster than most 965s as they swap to the looser 1333 strap.

Now, the abit AB9 series is an exception in that but on average the AB9 & AB9 Pro don't generally hit the same fsbs as the Gigabyte's & Asus 965s (& before you point to your results I only know of 2 people with retail AB9/AB9 Pros who have got over 500fsb - you & Highland3r whereas it's pretty common on the Gigas & Asus) which is why they tend to be more popular with people overclocking on a low multi.
& of course the new AB9 QuadGT has made 500fsb on 1067 pretty easily attainable now.

P.S. out of interest is your AB9 totally stock or have you modded it at all?
February 19, 2007 10:57:47 AM

i would say Asus P5B-Deluxe
February 19, 2007 11:49:24 AM

Just a warning if you are considering Gigabyte's GA-965P-S3 and GA-965P-DS3, there are some issues with cold booting when overclocked. However the board performs well when it does boot, I have just updated my S3 to BIOS f8 so hopefully that will stop the intermittent no-posting.
February 19, 2007 12:43:44 PM

They're saying Asus Commando, but if you're getting a E6600 you're going to drop down the multiplier from 9x to 8x or 7x to reach 450+ FSB - Might as well get a E6400/6300 or E4300? But I guess if you like the 4MB L2 Cache the E6600 offers instead of the 2MB then go for it.

The Gigabyte DS3/DS4 are good OCer also for cheap. If you're getting those boards, try to grab the revision 3.3 for official 1333MHz FSB support.


For a E6600 or above, most people would recommend 975x chipsets: Intel BadAxe 2, Abit AW9D MAX or Asus P5W Deluxe WiFi of OCing. It's an older chipset, but have native IDE support so if you're using IDE Opticals, you won't have as much problems.
February 19, 2007 2:34:38 PM

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Where exactly is your data showing that an overclocked 975x performs better than an overclocked P965?

all over the net.
Clock for clock over 400fsb 975X is faster than most 965s as they swap to the looser 1333 strap.

Now, the abit AB9 series is an exception in that but on average the AB9 & AB9 Pro don't generally hit the same fsbs as the Gigabyte's & Asus 965s (& before you point to your results I only know of 2 people with retail AB9/AB9 Pros who have got over 500fsb - you & Highland3r whereas it's pretty common on the Gigas & Asus) which is why they tend to be more popular with people overclocking on a low multi.
& of course the new AB9 QuadGT has made 500fsb on 1067 pretty easily attainable now.

P.S. out of interest is your AB9 totally stock or have you modded it at all?
The only things I've done is add a 40 mm fan to the NB heatsink and a 70 mm AMD CPU fan sits over my memory sticks undervolted to keep it quiet. Now is that considered modded or just air management?
February 19, 2007 2:40:57 PM

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They're saying Asus Commando, but if you're getting a E6600 you're going to drop down the multiplier from 9x to 8x or 7x to reach 450+ FSB - Might as well get a E6400/6300 or E4300? But I guess if you like the 4MB L2 Cache the E6600 offers instead of the 2MB then go for it.

The Gigabyte DS3/DS4 are good OCer also for cheap. If you're getting those boards, try to grab the revision 3.3 for official 1333MHz FSB support.


For a E6600 or above, most people would recommend 975x chipsets: Intel BadAxe 2, Abit AW9D MAX or Asus P5W Deluxe WiFi of OCing. It's an older chipset, but have native IDE support so if you're using IDE Opticals, you won't have as much problems.

I beleive theres an E6420 coming out soon that's a 6400 with 4 mb L2. That's the one I'm waiting for for use in my second comp. I may just pop it into this one and see how high it goes first.
February 19, 2007 3:28:47 PM

Asus commando or the Bad Axe 2
February 20, 2007 1:06:54 AM

965 is faster in the commando the asus 975 mobos

i get the p5n32-e sli if you are going nvidia if your going ati get the commando
February 20, 2007 1:15:51 AM

Yeah, got me in there man :D .. Well, the cpu will matter also on my upgrade since it would be on mid march or early April, thats my fixed time limit... I'm so cold and pretty left behind since i still have the 478 platform :x , though i change cpus after another, for a gig of speed bumps... :x :?

It would be an E4300 i'd be throttling up with, though i could put an E6600-my mind changed on this 6600 thing- i hate drawbacks.. I'd rather wait for the 4mb versions i.eE6420, since its price wont be like that of a quad core or an extreme..
February 20, 2007 1:21:25 AM

Whats the timeframe for market availability of the E6420? Is it over the counter around mid March? I really hope so, or else i would nail on the E4300 right out the wall.. :) 
February 20, 2007 1:45:32 AM

Thanks man, you made me remember one important point in my post.... :wink:

Actually my board preference is that it can run dual graphics like SLI or X-Fire set-ups... X-fire is pretty common on P965 boards... I wonder if there is a P965 board supporting an SLI set-up? Or perhaps SLI in 975 boards? Anybody out there? And one thing, i wont get that 680 boards out there this time maybe i'll give it a GO around September 07..LOL...

To everyone, to avoid confusions in here:
Back to the topic, to clear out confusions i just want a P965 board with a high overclocking capability such as reaching around 400+ fsb, could run dual graphics i.e x-fire or (sli?), with the cpu E4300 in it or the E6420(if already available)--let's forget about the 6600 thingy in this case, i put my hands off it for some reason.... 8)
February 20, 2007 2:38:11 AM

The crazy thing is that P965 and 975X only supports Crossfire, supposedly people have mentioned that there is an SLI hack for the 975X, The Abit Aw9D Max comes with an SLI bridge so I'm guessing there are hacked drivers. But keep in mind that the 975X board only have 8x/8x PCIe pathways for dual graphic setups, while the P965 are 16x/4x.

Basically if you want SLI you're stuck with nvidia 680/650 or 590 boards. Even the new Bearlake chipsets supports Crossfire.

For a P965 board, The Asus Commando can easily hit 450FSB, which will go well with a E4300 or E6300.

The Gigabyte P965 DQ6 is also great, if you want to deal with the crazy cool plate...
February 20, 2007 4:48:02 AM

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Whats the timeframe for market availability of the E6420? Is it over the counter around mid March? I really hope so, or else i would nail on the E4300 right out the wall.. :) 


I only read Q2 on the E6420. I'd like a lesser E6600, but kinda got attached to having the 4mb L2.
February 20, 2007 6:00:21 AM

Hmmp... I say i would wait for that proc. Having another couple addition of the cache, thats way advantageous than those with 2 mb enabled, though not necessarily eye-popping when used with real-time applications, at least with a lot of headrooms though imo.. :roll:
February 20, 2007 6:07:48 AM

Nah, i dont want to use unofficial hardware components, it involves a lot more risk than overclocking an E4300 :lol:  ..

Well, what about those Gigabyte thingy, i mean whats better between DQ6 and DS4? I've heard a lot of incapabilities that the high-priced DQ6 had a lot of unfulfilled expectations among overclockers.. :?:
a b V Motherboard
February 20, 2007 7:07:47 AM

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Hi, finally I'm able to set foot in this Great THG forum for the first time.. Straight to the point, i wanna know what's the best mobo for overclocking core 2 duo procs. preferably an E6600.. :?:

I'm setting a big rig overhaul this mid march, considering i still have socket 478 system this time :(  ... I'm up to overclocking.. 8)

Any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated.. :wink:


ASUS P5B Deluxe
Gigabyte 965-DS3

dont go near MSI
February 20, 2007 7:51:05 AM

Quote:
Hi, finally I'm able to set foot in this Great THG forum for the first time.. Straight to the point, i wanna know what's the best mobo for overclocking core 2 duo procs. preferably an E6600.. :?:

I'm setting a big rig overhaul this mid march, considering i still have socket 478 system this time :(  ... I'm up to overclocking.. 8)

Any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated.. :wink:


ASUS P5B Deluxe
Gigabyte 965-DS3

dont go near MSI

Yeah, MSI is outa my mind right now..
What about Gigabyte P965-DS4 or Gigabyte P965-DQ6? Are this two better? If, which one of em?
February 20, 2007 11:16:51 AM

DS4 = 1 PCI express + solid state capacitor, cheap, no support for dual graphic setup

DQ6 = 12 Phase Power, Solid State Capacity, 2 PCI Express (16x/4x), Heat pipes over Voltage Regulator and Northbridge, Crazy Cool plate, support for Crossfire setup in 16x/4x (Gigabyte's high end P965 board).
February 20, 2007 12:56:44 PM

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DS4 = 1 PCI express + solid state capacitor, cheap, no support for dual graphic setup.

wrong.
The DS4 has 2x PCI-E x16 slots (although 1 runs at only x4 electrically).
I had 1 as I didn't see any extra value from the DQ6 for my requirements.
However, if your budget stretches that far seriously look at abit's AB9 QuadGT - I swapped my DS4 for 1 & am happy that I did so.
February 20, 2007 1:07:27 PM

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DS4 = 1 PCI express + solid state capacitor, cheap, no support for dual graphic setup


All 965P DS4 revision(1.0,2.0, 3.3) from Gigabyte has 2 pci-e... Maybe thats a DS3 you are referring to man?

Here:
965P DS4's
February 20, 2007 1:31:43 PM

Whoops, guess I meant the DS3, DS4 are not available in the US.
February 20, 2007 1:33:20 PM

Whoah!, i've browsed almost all online stores and dealers here in our country, now i'm left with a very limited choice! Computer hardware and parts marketing here in Phil. is a nightmare! 8O .. Now all i've got are Asus and MSI, and Gigabyte products to choose from.. With MSI rejected, it's an Asus-Gigabyte scenario... Well, Asus products here are pretty late, there are lot of Asus S775's here but not in the same level with the commandos, or the strykers, or perhaps another store had existed that i dont even know of its name or something... :x :x :x

Thank you a lot guys.. :) 
February 20, 2007 1:40:05 PM

Yeah man, it would be available in your place sooner.. :wink:
You guys in there are pretty much left with a plethora of dealers to choose from, while in our place though its not hard to search for dealers or stores but the biggest problem is that you will have a hard time waiting for those high-end products.. :x :x

8O There's no newegg in here or something like those stores.. :?
February 20, 2007 2:24:26 PM

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DS4 = 1 PCI express + solid state capacitor, cheap, no support for dual graphic setup.

wrong.
The DS4 has 2x PCI-E x16 slots (although 1 runs at only x4 electrically).
I had 1 as I didn't see any extra value from the DQ6 for my requirements.
However, if your budget stretches that far seriously look at abit's AB9 QuadGT - I swapped my DS4 for 1 & am happy that I did so.

DS3 has 4 PCI slots vs 2 for the DS4.

At this point, I think more PCI slots is better than more PCI-E (mostly because I can't seem to find anything to go in those 1x PCI-E slots.

The DS3 means I can have my wireless card as well as my SB and my M-Audio 2496 sound cards. Haven't been able to do that for 2 years (and there was much rejoicing).
February 21, 2007 11:15:04 AM

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DS3 has 4 PCI slots vs 2 for the DS4.

At this point, I think more PCI slots is better than more PCI-E (mostly because I can't seem to find anything to go in those 1x PCI-E slots.

The DS3 means I can have my wireless card as well as my SB and my M-Audio 2496 sound cards. Haven't been able to do that for 2 years (and there was much rejoicing).

well, abit (& I think Dlink) does a x1 PCI-E wireless card & there are RAID & TV cards to go into the x16/x4 slot.
February 21, 2007 7:00:35 PM

I would say 2 PCI are enough. PCI-E (1x,4x,8x) will soon become an "almost-standard" and what if you dont have pci-e 1x?
a b V Motherboard
February 22, 2007 1:01:17 AM

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DS4 = 1 PCI express + solid state capacitor, cheap, no support for dual graphic setup

DQ6 = 12 Phase Power, Solid State Capacity, 2 PCI Express (16x/4x), Heat pipes over Voltage Regulator and Northbridge, Crazy Cool plate, support for Crossfire setup in 16x/4x (Gigabyte's high end P965 board).


DS3 overclocks better and is cheaper ;) 
February 22, 2007 11:15:58 AM

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DS3 overclocks better and is cheaper ;) 

cheaper yes (& the S3 is cheaper than the DS3 & overclocks just as well) but it doesn't overclock better (certainly than the DS4), runs hotter & isn't as fully featured - you pays your money & you take your choice ...
February 23, 2007 1:09:56 PM

Don't forget about the DS3P, same mobo as DS4 without the heatpipes and should be cheaper, sort of the ideal mobo if you're thinking of fitting after market cooling in the north and south bridge.
February 24, 2007 12:26:10 PM

DS3 has 4 PCI slots vs 2 for the DS4.

At this point, I think more PCI slots is better than more PCI-E (mostly because I can't seem to find anything to go in those 1x PCI-E slots.

The DS3 means I can have my wireless card as well as my SB and my M-Audio 2496 sound cards. Haven't been able to do that for 2 years (and there was much rejoicing).[/quote]

both the ds3p and g have 3 pci slots
a b V Motherboard
March 7, 2007 10:54:57 PM

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DS3 overclocks better and is cheaper ;) 

cheaper yes (& the S3 is cheaper than the DS3 & overclocks just as well) but it doesn't overclock better (certainly than the DS4), runs hotter & isn't as fully featured - you pays your money & you take your choice ...

Ill Stick to my ASUS P5B Deluxe/Wifi
March 8, 2007 6:24:05 AM

& I'll stick to my AB9 QuadGT 8)
a b V Motherboard
March 8, 2007 9:33:18 AM

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& I'll stick to my AB9 QuadGT 8)


hows that board anyhow? im not game enough to buy abit anymore
March 8, 2007 10:28:23 AM

yep... you're right dude.....

hate it here in the phils... when it comes to pc components......

they usually dont sell high end parts.... they usually sell very low end parts and they usually come with via and sis (if sis still exists....)
March 9, 2007 12:53:04 AM

Hi Lab, I'm kind of and overclocking grandpa. Thinking of putting my old 440BX/ZX board (overclocked and still running as good as/ better then some store bought P4) to rest. March over haul also.

There are some good cheap boards out there. Some available in combos. After looking at so many, Asus P5WD2-E/Giga G1975/Giga GA-965-DQ6/Abit AB9-Pro/Asus P5B-Deluxe/GA-965P-DS3. All fairly good mobo. I'm doing my rig on a budget ($450 if possible) reusing some OLD PARTS.
Two stick in my mind with adjustable clock multipliers(for future CPU upgrades) the Asus P5B-deluxe and Gigabyte GA-965P DS3. My DS3 rev 3.3 is on its way, with the pentium D 805. Maybe get to 3.8-4.0 hopefully.

What ever you decide be sure to check your POWER SUPPLY! Dual rails, and enough watts and amps to run everything without crashing. New video cards can draw 14,16,18 amps. Two V-cards can be 24 amps or so. I'm going with a 500 watt PSU and not running two video cards.

Oh, and I'm looking for a good cemetery for my 440bx/zx board, or donate it to Toms hardware to hang on the wall. LOL

Happy Overclocking everyone, glad I made it in here.
March 9, 2007 12:38:11 PM

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& I'll stick to my AB9 QuadGT 8)


hows that board anyhow? im not game enough to buy abit anymore

It's very nice, seems to be a better board than the Commando going by the forums that I frequent.
I don't think there is any doubt that it's currently the fastest 965 board clock for clock over ~400fsb due to staying on the 1067 strap.
Still a few minor BIOS issues for a few people (mostly those on quad cores) but nothing major imo & I'm sure that as the BIOS matures it will only get better.
March 11, 2007 7:43:39 PM

Just FYI, 975X's support xfire officially and SLI "unofficially".
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But keep in mind that the 975X board only have 8x/8x PCIe pathways for dual graphic setups, while the P965 are 16x/4x.
Does this mean that on a 975X, with one gfx card, it's at 16x times, but two cards will be at 2 x8? Or that 1 card will be at 8x, and so will two cards? How big's the performance difference btw?
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