Backup and restore Win2k Member server Local groups

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"MG2" <MG2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:98CECD6D-F413-4856-A88E-E6F62C232D01@microsoft.com...
> Greetings!
>
> Is there anyway to "backup" the local SAM - users and groups, on a member
> server?
>
> Remember rdisk -s in NT4? This would create a copy of the local SAM on a
> floppy so, if there was a problem with the local SAM, it could be restored
> from the floppy.
>
> I've always used AGLP as per MS recommendation - but now I have all these
> files and folders with permissions granted to the member server local
group -
> which holds the AD Global group, which holds the AD members.
>
> Should I just change it to use the Global Groups?
>
> PS: I've tested a system state backup and restore - this did not restore
the
> Local SAM.

Really?

You could of course copy the actual file but I would
have bet money that the SAM was included in System
State.
It's in system32\Config

But be VERY careful with manual restores.



--
Herb Martin


>
> Thanks,
>
> Marcina

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What happened when you tried a System State backup and restore?? I am very
surprised to hear that it did not restore local users and groups. --- Steve


"MG2" <MG2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:98CECD6D-F413-4856-A88E-E6F62C232D01@microsoft.com...
> Greetings!
>
> Is there anyway to "backup" the local SAM - users and groups, on a member
> server?
>
> Remember rdisk -s in NT4? This would create a copy of the local SAM on a
> floppy so, if there was a problem with the local SAM, it could be restored
> from the floppy.
>
> I've always used AGLP as per MS recommendation - but now I have all these
> files and folders with permissions granted to the member server local
> group -
> which holds the AD Global group, which holds the AD members.
>
> Should I just change it to use the Global Groups?
>
> PS: I've tested a system state backup and restore - this did not restore
> the
> Local SAM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marcina

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"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@nospam-comcast.net> wrote in message
news:#ov8VsxEFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> What happened when you tried a System State backup and restore?? I am very
> surprised to hear that it did not restore local users and groups. ---
Steve

That's (at least) two of us.

--
Herb Martin


>
>
> "MG2" <MG2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:98CECD6D-F413-4856-A88E-E6F62C232D01@microsoft.com...
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Is there anyway to "backup" the local SAM - users and groups, on a
member
> > server?
> >
> > Remember rdisk -s in NT4? This would create a copy of the local SAM on a
> > floppy so, if there was a problem with the local SAM, it could be
restored
> > from the floppy.
> >
> > I've always used AGLP as per MS recommendation - but now I have all
these
> > files and folders with permissions granted to the member server local
> > group -
> > which holds the AD Global group, which holds the AD members.
> >
> > Should I just change it to use the Global Groups?
> >
> > PS: I've tested a system state backup and restore - this did not restore
> > the
> > Local SAM.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Marcina
>
>

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I just tried it on an XP Pro box. I did System State backup, deleted five
users, restored SS [ to same location] and the five users were restored
which is what I expected. It should work the same way for 2000/2003. ---
Steve


"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:%236bL7e4EFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@nospam-comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:#ov8VsxEFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> What happened when you tried a System State backup and restore?? I am
>> very
>> surprised to hear that it did not restore local users and groups. ---
> Steve
>
> That's (at least) two of us.
>
> --
> Herb Martin
>
>
>>
>>
>> "MG2" <MG2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:98CECD6D-F413-4856-A88E-E6F62C232D01@microsoft.com...
>> > Greetings!
>> >
>> > Is there anyway to "backup" the local SAM - users and groups, on a
> member
>> > server?
>> >
>> > Remember rdisk -s in NT4? This would create a copy of the local SAM on
>> > a
>> > floppy so, if there was a problem with the local SAM, it could be
> restored
>> > from the floppy.
>> >
>> > I've always used AGLP as per MS recommendation - but now I have all
> these
>> > files and folders with permissions granted to the member server local
>> > group -
>> > which holds the AD Global group, which holds the AD members.
>> >
>> > Should I just change it to use the Global Groups?
>> >
>> > PS: I've tested a system state backup and restore - this did not
>> > restore
>> > the
>> > Local SAM.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Marcina
>>
>>
>
>

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"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> wrote in message
news:zumdnee9xK7EEY_fRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> I just tried it on an XP Pro box. I did System State backup, deleted five
> users, restored SS [ to same location] and the five users were restored
> which is what I expected. It should work the same way for 2000/2003. ---

Thank you -- I was sure of that until the report -- and
then it placed the issue in limbo until I or someone
trusted (like you) performed the test.

I appreciate your letting us know.

--
Herb Martin


> Steve
>
>
> "Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
> news:%236bL7e4EFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@nospam-comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:#ov8VsxEFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> What happened when you tried a System State backup and restore?? I am
> >> very
> >> surprised to hear that it did not restore local users and groups. ---
> > Steve
> >
> > That's (at least) two of us.
> >
> > --
> > Herb Martin
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "MG2" <MG2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:98CECD6D-F413-4856-A88E-E6F62C232D01@microsoft.com...
> >> > Greetings!
> >> >
> >> > Is there anyway to "backup" the local SAM - users and groups, on a
> > member
> >> > server?
> >> >
> >> > Remember rdisk -s in NT4? This would create a copy of the local SAM
on
> >> > a
> >> > floppy so, if there was a problem with the local SAM, it could be
> > restored
> >> > from the floppy.
> >> >
> >> > I've always used AGLP as per MS recommendation - but now I have all
> > these
> >> > files and folders with permissions granted to the member server local
> >> > group -
> >> > which holds the AD Global group, which holds the AD members.
> >> >
> >> > Should I just change it to use the Global Groups?
> >> >
> >> > PS: I've tested a system state backup and restore - this did not
> >> > restore
> >> > the
> >> > Local SAM.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Marcina
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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Wow. Thanks Herb. I think you trust me more than my family does. --- Steve


"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:eRzm238EFHA.3244@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:zumdnee9xK7EEY_fRVn-hg@comcast.com...
>> I just tried it on an XP Pro box. I did System State backup, deleted five
>> users, restored SS [ to same location] and the five users were restored
>> which is what I expected. It should work the same way for 2000/2003. ---
>
> Thank you -- I was sure of that until the report -- and
> then it placed the issue in limbo until I or someone
> trusted (like you) performed the test.
>
> I appreciate your letting us know.
>
> --
> Herb Martin
>
>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
>> news:%236bL7e4EFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@nospam-comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:#ov8VsxEFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> What happened when you tried a System State backup and restore?? I am
>> >> very
>> >> surprised to hear that it did not restore local users and groups. ---
>> > Steve
>> >
>> > That's (at least) two of us.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Herb Martin
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "MG2" <MG2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:98CECD6D-F413-4856-A88E-E6F62C232D01@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Greetings!
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there anyway to "backup" the local SAM - users and groups, on a
>> > member
>> >> > server?
>> >> >
>> >> > Remember rdisk -s in NT4? This would create a copy of the local SAM
> on
>> >> > a
>> >> > floppy so, if there was a problem with the local SAM, it could be
>> > restored
>> >> > from the floppy.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've always used AGLP as per MS recommendation - but now I have all
>> > these
>> >> > files and folders with permissions granted to the member server
>> >> > local
>> >> > group -
>> >> > which holds the AD Global group, which holds the AD members.
>> >> >
>> >> > Should I just change it to use the Global Groups?
>> >> >
>> >> > PS: I've tested a system state backup and restore - this did not
>> >> > restore
>> >> > the
>> >> > Local SAM.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Marcina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@nospam-comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uzTb#lJFFHA.3728@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Wow. Thanks Herb. I think you trust me more than my family does. ---
Steve

You MAY be cruel to small animals or leave the toilet
seat up but I would never know; you do however seem
to answer technical questions accurately. <grin>

Oh, and tell your family to lighten up.