Coolermaster Aquagate, TT Big typhoon, Zalman..... Help

Maybe better english might help me:

Gigabyte 965 DS3 rev2
OCZ Platinum Rev 2 DDR800 4-4-4-15
Evga 8800gts 640MB
2 x Westerndigital 250GB HDD's
XFI Sound card - Fatal1ty
Enermax noisetaker 600 Watt PSU
Generic huge Server case

I want to get a good heatsink for doing some overclocking.

Here are my options:
1. Coolermaster AQUAGATE (RL-HUC-E8U1/E8U2)
2. Any Termaltake HSF
3. Any Zalman HSF

These are basically all the products I can get in my area.

I might land up moving my PC alot so I dont know what to go for.

I have my eye on the aquagate.

Can anyone tell me if its good or not, if not please make a few suggestions.

By the way whats a good gaming KB as well.

Logitech G15, Razor Tarantula, Zboard......

Thanks

Your English is fine, don't worry about that.

Bump^

http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=293...
Here is a review of some of the top-perfoming air coolers, most likely any of these will do the job, but you can see for yourself the Tuniq tower has outstanding price/performance.

Read the question that the OP stated. The Tuniq was not on the option list. He said that only a Coolermaster Aquagate or coolers from Thermaltake or Zalman are available to him.

To the OP, I haven't read anything about the Coolermaster Aquagate so I can't comment on that cooler, but Thermaltake has a cooler similar to the Tuniq Tower, the ThermalTake CL-P0024, which should do what you want. The Zalman 9700 is also good, but a bit more expensive and doesn't cool quite as well.

Thanks for the reply.

Sadly forsome strange reason the supplier doesnt have the cl-p0024.

But they do have the following:

cl-p0025 : according to the website it can do 775
cl-p0114
cl-p0086
cl-p0071

any ideas which is best?

Thanks again

If the CL-P0071 with its optional fan can fit into your case, it will do a fair job. If not, then the Zalman 9700 will work pretty good. I run a 9500 and it does fine on my FX60, and a 9700 would give 2-3c cooler temps.

Might not fit, its very big. Also if I move my pc it might fall off!

Any ideas on the coolermaster hyper tx intel

Hyper TX (Intel) (RR-PCH-S9U1-GP)

http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Langua...

I'm running the cooler master Aquagate (can't remember the model offhand, it's the LGA775 version) and, so far, haven't been having any problems moving it around or using it.

I'm keeping a Pentium D 805 2.66GHz (OCed to 3.3GHz @ FSB166) at around 37°C idle, up to 47°C under load. The PC goes into work 2 or 3 times a week as a display piece, and no problems so far ITO moving it around.

Takes up 2 5.25" drive bays, but you've got a server case so you can get away with internal installation. If you decide to go external with it, it allows that as well (no modification needed) and has nice little non-leaking plugs for the pipes - just make sure you take them off using a cloth to prevent spills.

So far, the negative points are that the fan is incredibly loud on full and noticeable on medium, plus internal installation *requires* a full-tower or server case, otherwise the bastard won't go in properly. It also adds a fair amount of weight onto the box ITO moving it around, but at least you won't have to worry about some huge heatsink snapping your CPU off the motherboard in transit.

I took Arctic Cooler Pro. And I'm happy. Three times cheaper than Zalman and almost as good.

My south african brother,

you say it will do the job.

Will I get some decent ocing as well?

Sonic Informed is selling it dirt cheap.

Is this better to use instead of air cooling?

Basically is better than the best aircooling around?

Got mine from Sonic... you in JHB or Cape Town?

It does the job pretty well. I was only capable of around 2.8~3GHz (FSB140~150) on air, temps spiking as high as 75°, now they're dead stable at 3.3GHz/45° (right this moment).

The only air cooling that will work better will be more expensive, and won't let you OC as high either.

In JHB,

Sonic has no stock :-( end of march they say.

By any chance do u have one for sale now?

Need some arctic silver 5 as well. Where can I get?

Sonic CPT has, our shop (EITS) sells them for R740. Problem is, I don't trust the couriers we have down here, not since they demolished an Inspiron 2650 for me in '02. Other problem is that we're based in the Strand.

I'm pretty certain we can work something out though. If you have access to a tame reliable courier/someone on holiday down here, PM me.

AS5 in SA is a complete rarity - the only people I know who use it had to order it online - I'm using some JetArt nanosilver product which has (so far) given me pretty good service. The Aquagate comes with a tube of pretty nice silicon-based gel, though. I'm also convinced they were assuming they were going to be dealing with heavy-handed idiots, as I've used it on about 8 PCs so far (ran out of thermal paste at the shop) and still have about 2/3 of a tube left. The JetArt stuff I normally use, one tube = ~30 PCs.

If your PC components are still new, then I would advise letting it all run at stock speed for the first two to three months to let the components 'settle'. This should also give you some breathing space with the Aquagate.

It's not among the choices the OP listed. Did you read his question?

Hi again. I'm not sure if the Coolermaster Hyper would do as good a job as a Zalman 9700. Check the price difference and choose from there. The tower type coolers are pretty big and require a larger case to fit properly, but they are the best among air cooled heatsinks. But, if its too big, then it doesn't matter.

It looks like someone replied that has experience with the Aquagate, so he can answer those questions better. Noise is a problem for me, as I like as quiet a computer as I can get, but noise is something that affects everybody differently, i.e. what one person thinks is noisy, another thinks is just fine.

I am in love with my Big Typhoon. A. its Big and B. it kept my E6600 under 40 OCed at 2.8 I have a Tarantula and love it and keep away from ZBoard like the plague they are money piuts more than a 76 sailboat  

Tarantulas are ok. I know a few people who keep spiders on their boats so the spiders eat up any bugs that get on board. Well fed spiders, happy sailers. The boat may seen like a money pit, but I don't think its much worse than my house. Besides, you can't beat making landfall in Tahiti and having a bunch of half naked girls come swarming on board the boat.

here's what I think you should wait on
http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Langua...
The thermaltake and zalman are way too overrated, and the augate mini doesn't have a good radiator on it to properly cool the coolant, so I'd take that out of the picture. What I would consider would be either the zalman or thermalright, but the thermalright has far better price erformance. As for gaming keyboard, I love logitech, and have heard a lot of good things on the g15, and will be getting their g7 mouse or one of their mx revolution mice in the upcoming weeks

I know off topic but where did you get your Avatar pic Tacos Could i get a copy to show soem of my friends i have told them and we have had some serious laughs.

uhh..sure?
http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/570/The+Kitty+Snipe...

apparantly my cat is very popular now 8O

Thanks and also I have heard that if cash isn't an issue than Freezone is the sh**. Or just a straight TEC is good. Can't remember the name of one off the top of my head.

the freezone is pretty nice, but it uses aircooled weak tec's, which are better than a plain radiator, but there are better water kits on the market (most custom though), but ocz has been working on a phase change called cryo that I have no idea when it will release at this point, but it should come out around only $300, and that will pwn all

That it will and Freezone is TEC cooled not aircooled EDIT: you said weak TEC sry read your post but didn't click I'm going on 5-6 hours no food dinners cooking EDIT which I suppose is air in a sense but it should be distingushed from just a fan. And I didn't mention water kits sense we were talking CPU coolers not entire kits. Phase Change is awesome that OCZ thing is gonna rock. Of course if money is really worth NOTHING than for 15k you can get your processor to -240 sumin Celsius lol

i say: the big typhoon! it`s really big but cool and not too expensive.
it`s a great cooler.

my 6600 runs @ 3gz and is 42C stressed so it does a fairly good job.

and for further emphasis ITS BIG and cool looking i love mine if you're insecure and want something thast huge and honking the Big Typhoon is for you

I suppose, but it you go any further, you hit absolute zero, and I don't think your cpu would work taht well LOL

Anyways, I don't agree with the big typhoon, there are far better air coolers, for similar pricing, thermailright ultra 120 and si-120 are both better than it and the zalman 9700. It is a nice looking cooler and cools pretty well, and I like the 120mm fan on it, but it just doesn't cut it compared to the others. But if the op can wait until early March or so, the coolermaster geminii I should with dual 120mm fans comes out and will pwn every aircooler in existance (cpu coolers)

Ya I would wait for the Geminii It will and Taco says so and from my short period here on TH Forumz He knows a lot

thanks, I wouldn't say know a lot, but I have a very knowledgable mentor that I discuss these things with and we both agree the geminii is the best bet people will have for a while, espeicially considering this is a cooler designed for quad cores, so it should have substantial cooling power. But come on, it's HUGE, it has massive heatpipes, dual 120mm fans, practically silent, and it has taco's seal of approval  

Looks HUGE. Might just fall of my motherboard when I move my pc.

There must be ways of securing the hSF further. Stap it down as well or something. Ayone have any ideas on that?

Bought the Logitech G15 keyboard and the G7 laser mouse, together they rock!

One more question if anyone can help.
I have two 250gb WD SATA drives and one 80gb SATA Drive.

Plan on using th 80 as the boot drive with the os.

What should I do with the 2 250's. Should I run them in a striped raid mode or what? Also waht is the best cluster size and partition size?

Whats the best I can do....

Thanks

I can see it now, the point will come when we have to buy a separate case to hold the cpu heatsink, or at least make a "heatsink buldge" on the case side. I thought the Tuniq Tower was bad enough.

I dont think it would fall off unless your talking irresponsible moving of it not secured well but if its moving in that fashion tit falling off is the least of your worries

I ws joking a bit, but also alluding to the fact that with a Tuniq Tower in place, you can't get at the ram easily, or see the lights on it, or much of the motherboard itself. The point comes where its more practical to have liquid cooling and a radiator outside the case then a monster heatsink and fan inside the case.

i had the aquagate cooling in my last system a Athlon 64 3500+. it allowed me to take my overclock far beyond what i had originally planned. the best thing about it was the temps, idle at 29C max load at 100% it only got to 35C, this thing will keep your temps way down. i recommend it.

heh, that's be interesting, water coolers getting smaller than air coolers

This will be the second rig I've watercooled - the first being a palomino 2000+ which had a major heat issue for some reason. ('03/'04) My guess was I happened to buy a dud. Still makes a good socket A test processor, though...

The only way I could get that processor down below about 65°C IDLE was with a car radiator with a single extractor fan blowing the air out. Thing was, the entire side panel of the case was the rad (and the temps still hovered ~45° as I recall). I kinda prefer the aquagate - it's MUUUUCH more compact.

The first WC I saw/made was practically the size of the case. The second takes up 2x 5.25" bays. I wonder how big the third will be?

Maybe, but the augate is a crappy water cooler, you'll find just as good or better air coolers for less, just because it is a water cooler doesn't necessarily mean it's a good one, I believe cooler master's upcoming air cooler called geminii will beast their augate in every way

I was thinking of the reverse; air coolers getting bigger than water coolers.

That's what I meant, the aircoolers get so big the water coolers are smaller

Ok, same thought, just different ways of expressing it.

Yeah, but I see your point, laws of math state the converse of a statement if not always true

It is great, cheap and easy to install. My temps. according to Sandra are between 25-30 at iddle and 35-40 under load. I do not overclock.
8)

Though are nice temps compared to the stock coolers out (what cpu?), but for most stock cpus, I have seen better air coolers, I get my x2 even above stock on a pitiful zalman 9500 cooler to idle around the same (have been around 24 to 29, depending on how hot my room gets, especially since the vent is right next to my computer) and on stock a load of generally 33/34 and oc'd I generally don't hit 40 unless I really push the chip

One thing where most liquid-cooled setups will always beat an air cooled setup is the general public 'wow' factor.

The stock coolant supplied is IMO about half the problem with the Aquagate. The other half of the problem is the radiator doesn't take to a heavier heat load so well. Above a certain threshold it can't maintain anymore - this was somewhat improved using some weird industrial coolant instead of the reference stuff. Don't ask me what its official name is, what's printed on the bottle (directly onto the plastic, no labels) is a bunch of random-seeming letters and numbers. I got the stuff from the chemical engineering department at the local university, added it yesterday sometime, and dropped my temps about a further 5°C.

My next step is another radiator, then a GPU waterblock.

That's true, a newb will always go for a liquid kit no matter what if it's the same price just because it is a liquid kit, even if a simularly priced air cooler demolishes it. But the radiator isn't the whole problem with the kit, nor the coolant, it's a like a computer, a water cooler is only as good as it's weakest point, so replacing the radiator won't do you any good if the pump can't handle the size of the loop, and coolant won't do you any good without a nice radiator, and even a nice radiator with fluid xp and a high quality pump is no good unless you replace the water block, so in the end, you might as well have bought a custom kit from the beginning, and if it's for a cpu only, you might as well buy a phase change, such as ocz's cryo that's coming up for only $300

Did you ever hear anything more about that btw? (release date??) It looks like a really nice setup from the review that I read.

I have checked everywhere for a while now, and it seems to be a great performer and appeared last year for a tiny bit, but had some problems so ocz had a recall, right now they are working on how to reduce the pricing to get it down to $300, so I can't say when it's release date is

I'm unfortunately one of those people who looks for weaknesses and strengthens them.

Looking inside the Aquagate, the components are all the most stable balance I've seen in such a system. Unfortunately, it can only do so much with what it has. The solution? MODIFY :twisted:

I'm knocking a few ideas around, but any modding on my cooler will have to wait until my UPSU concept is going through the final testing stage.

Modding it would be a necissity on that cooler, but look at it this way, a water cooler is just like a car or computer, it performs only as good as it weakest bottleneck. So in order to get any worthwhile increase, you'd have to replace every single part in it, so in other words, just build a custom kit from scratch, which makes it pointless to buy the augate :wink:

Not quite Taco. The correct procedure would be to first find the strongest and the weakest links. Then you would strengthen the weakest link to the value of the strongest, then again look for a weak link. At the point that the system is balanced, you are done. This may involve replacing only one link, or it may have more than one weak link. A homebuilt system would be no better, with the exception that you might identify some weak links before you bought them. Then again, few things on paper work exactly the same when put to reality.

As for packaged water coolers, my minimal experience has been that they are slightly better than the stock air coolers, and much quieter. I would guess that the Aquagate does a good job, the one its intended to do, but it falls short when put to the demands of extreme overclockers. Its when a pserson tries to do things that the hardware wasn't designed to do that trouble starts, and its at that time that exotic water coolers have to be built.