Let's face it. Vista SUX, and IE 7 SUX! but just like in previous OS load outs we all said the same thing for about 2 years. Then we gave in to going for it.

Or are they BITTER PILLS that MS wants us to swallow?

WE clamored for years about MS Security issues.

Some of us went to LINUX and Firefox.

Now Firefox has a huge Critical flaw that Mozilla says hasn't been exploited yet. But they are trying to nail down a fix for it.

Even 2 countries (Cuba and Venezuala) presidents are saying open source only! Is there a world fight against MS? Won't matter much to MS in the long run unless we all change over to Linux.

But the biggest downside of Linux is low amount of customer support, and it is Not SCALEABLE. If your a business of 20 employees or more you would be committing suicide if u invested in Linux for your networks.

MS really didn't test Vista in one more way: most computer users are middle class consumers. MS failed to realize that most ppl wont spend bigger bucks for a higher end pc to replace their incomaptible old one to run VISTA.

With high fuel prices, high property taxes, high rents, more bills going higher, food prices increasing, less affordable housing.

MS needs to get off its' high horse and look at the mainstream.

The world economy is not ready for an OS that requires huge upgrades or complete rebuilds.

they should have hired Steve Gibson at www.grc.com to make the Vista code smaller and more efficient.

More efficient coding means much better overall hardware usage that's already out there.

It seems that the CPU wars are driven by the need for bigger and badder pc systems. (Obvious for years)

read this for turning your Vista UAC alerts off:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20 [...] .R7qEjtBAF

We are telling all our customers to wait at least 6 months before trying Vista so that hardware can catch up!

The bottom line is Keep using XP pro with our current systems and we just have to use Multiple security fixes to stay clean and running. Multiple spy cleaners, multiple antivirus, multiple firewalls....whens it gonna end?

Configure your antivirus so they arent checking your internet for updates at all times of the day

Configure your firewalls to allow certain ports for mmorgs while blocking all the rest. (there are 65535 ports)

But hackers and rogue businesses are into making fake and scam Spy cleaners.

There needs to be a Consumer Reports on Valid Security PC cleaners.

We know that current scam softwares and sites are Xupiter.com, LOP.com, Spysherrif, Spytrooper. ANYONE have a bigger list of BAD spy cleaners than me?

We Need a new revolutionary fix that's fast, secure, and compatible with everything we have. Any ideas?

if it sucks so bad... don't use it... just don't whine about it either!!

LOL

Not whining..just thought i'd provide some info for the noobs which u seem to think u are above, Just LIKE what MS does to us.

Obviously u didnt read the whole post.

Do u think you could provide some Spy cleaners that are bogus?

Or type in bold.

Logical statements would work too.

I'm not saying Linux is for everyone but to say it's not scalable is silly.
There are many Governments and other large companies that have done so.

Why do you want a list of all bad "SpyWare Cleaners".
All you need is ONE that works :>

Efficiency can also be over-rated.
A Volkswagen Rabbit Diesel is far more efficient than a Porshe.

Personally, I would rather drive the Porsche.

Of course there are hiccups with Vista (The OS itself, 3rd party software, etc...) To think it would be otherwise is silly and flies in the face of history of other Windows upgrades.

What information did you provide?
The post contains no usable information.

omg, I got a wallpaper with chavez, castro and gates making a group hug on my computer!!! and I'm running all those programs!!!!!1oneone.

Do you think noobs read forums.

Do you think trolls read forums, I am a troll, and would like to talk about it. GROUP HUG FOR ALL THE NOOB VISTA USERS!

Personally I really like IE7. Vista I agree no one needs it until DX10 in which case gamers and graphics. Personally I ran the beta on my laptop for 5 months without a single problem. However my laptop did run better with XP on it. Once I added a 1gb SD card into my internal memory reader however the performance was more comparable to mine with XP. Vista expensive? Of course it will be, 99% of people should just ignore it and say hmm what's this Vista thing with my new Dell. I'm sure you have your point but I can do without the huge font bolded.

Any ideas? Actually, yes.


Unplug your computer.


No virues, no spyware, no OS hacks, no problems.




Read a book, go out to a movie, take a walk, climb a tree, eat some chocolate, write a poem, have a nap, visit a friend, write a letter ON PAPER, take a roadtrip, make some memories.........

Use your computer at work, do your job, collect your paycheck, go home and unplug your computer. Try it sometime, see if you can survive 3 days. If you can't, then go see a doctor or psychologist because you have a problem.


Oh, and I'm dead serious. Not a joke. There are things in life worth changing, things that aren't worth changing, and things that can't be changed. Learn the difference, re-evaluate some life priorities, and go take that roadtrip.

You'll be thankful you did.

the fact that you posted on toms in bold letters takes away your points really badly. have you used it? im assuming your making this post from an os that is anything other then windows correct?
if you could, could you make your next post with screenshots covering all the bad parts of windows vista, explaining why its bad? and please dont post the uac pop up, cause we already know how to edit the list of things it warns you about. oh wait... you didnt know you could edit it? more of a reason to research your arguments before posting them. mmc ftw.

people who use nothing but caps either think they are special, what they have to say is special, or for some reason feel they deserve special attention. none of these seem to be the case. a post in all caps is difficult to read or take seriously becasue it looks like a 4th grader wrote it. (aside from your spelling)

i have a problem (but i don't have a virus)
doctors and shrinks can eff-off. we are a part of the evolution of the human race. cybernauts in a brave new world.

Yes, lay off the caffeine.

Then don't see a doctor. But look in the mirror and see the need for change from within. Why does everyone cry about what everyone else does and then feel sorry for themselves? Just fix ONE THING about our own selves, and the world would be a much better place. Why cry about M$ and whatever other garbage?

The notion is admirable, the griping isn't. He needs to get a reality check (like all of us at some point in life) and see the world doesn't revolve around him. So unplug the computer, take a deep breath, and venture into the Great Unplugged World...........

Cybernauts in the great human evolution? HA! Or don't you mean devolution? Losing perspective in life is progress? I beg to differ.........

whoa...

I ran vista when it was in the form of RC2 and it worked great ... no problems . also if your computer is not up to the vista standard then you can run vista in classic mode ..oh man problem solved!!!

computer are getting cheap as of now any core 2 duo processor coupled with any graphics card should do just fine. even the integrated Intel graphics can run vista on full.

the people with old computers ether don't care about vista or they will buy a new computer so ...blah

NEVER I SAY NEVER TYPE A MESSAGE WITH LARGE BOLD CAPITAL TEXT... IT MAKES IT LONG TO READ AND MAKE YOU APPEAR STUPID

I like Windows Vista and the few problems I have had don't deter from the overall experience. Most of the problems are with 3rd party drivers or 3rd party programs. I don't think M$ should have to take all of the blame for this. Performance and driver support will get better over time, and I don't see any reason why it won't become as adopted as XP over the next 12-18 months.

It's been this way forever, nothing new.

Win95 was slower than W4WG's. PC Mag;s yearly roundup issue of 100 PC's showed this emphatically though they did their best to hide any comparison between the two OS's. In their 1995 roundup they received like 65 W95 boxes and 35 W4WGs ones. They separated the tables for machines with each OS by 100 pages and the editors and reviewers spent many paragraphs detailing how machines with one vid card typically outperformed others by 2% and how ones with SCSI HD's outperformed IDE ones by 5%. What they did NOT mention was that the W4WGs machines trounced their Win95 counterparts by almost 40% on average.

Since then every MS OS has been slower than the one before it. Ever new OS has had more user restriction imposed than the one before it. While they have made installation and management easier for the n00b, such has been made increasingly harder for the power user.

The average corporate cost of "upgrading" from W4WGs to Win95 was $2500-$4500 ..... nice ROI there..... An average of $3500 investment has a return of 40% less productivity.

Corporations were so shy of buying the latest release from Redmond that, to keep stockholders happy, MS had to resort to reporting each Win2k sale after XP's release as "an XP sale with free downgrade to Win2k".

Performance peaked with NT4. Since then MS has built in so many background processes and overhead in order to address other shortcomings (like browser usage) that it's like a racehorse with a lead filled saddle. Sure NT came with IE but it could be uninstalled. Without the saddle it would run pretty darn nice but the saddle is now grafted to the horse's bone structure.

Preach on brother!

If you don't like it....don't use it. in all these years I have not got any virus's or spyware....If you are not a N00B then it is not much of a problem....

Once something becomes common....People want to exploit it(ie. firefox)....That is the only reason MAC users claim they are virus free....give it time....there are plenty of exploits there too.....even linux has some holes....

Give Vista some time. I sure as hell aint gonna get it till SP1 comes out....But it is a step in the right direction....

BOTTOM LINE....IF YOU DONT LIKE IT....DONT USE IT.....

Vista is not that buggy at all. Driver support and software updates are lacking. From a certain point of view if you lump those factors in it's buggy.

I have high-end hardware E6600 and 4Gb of ram 8800GTX and mainstream hardware at the office P4 3Ghz w/ 1Gb of ram ATI PCI 1300 and have to say I hate having to go back to XP for certain tasks.

I agree that it's bloated and coding could be much tighter but it's at least as stable as XP.

Linux as desktop would not be practical for business at this time but as a server it's a better solution and cheaper than Unix just not worth convert for current Unix users in most cases.

As for upgrading starting with our next round (summer) of corporate purchases will likely be Vista. The current round are being purchased with Vista express upgrades. We will not be upgrading any current systems as there is no reason.

I'm no Vista fan, HDCP DRM and all that. But I used RC1 and really didn't have any problems with it, especially considering the early release. But if Cuba and Venezuela Don't want Vista, then I will have to go out and buy a copy today.