Exactly what I was thinking. At those prices why not spend the little bit extra and get a dual core 3600+? Seems kinda pointless to me. They should sell these for less and rebrand them as Semprons.
Oh no! You can save all of nine whole dollars and get a singlecore 3800. That's gotta be faster! 200 whole whatevers! It's such a deal! 8O
Exactly what I was thinking. At those prices why not spend the little bit extra and get a dual core 3600+? Seems kinda pointless to me. They should sell these for less and rebrand them as Semprons.
Don't you ever wonder why we shouldn't all band together, get an investment bank or two behind us, and take over AMD? Then we could run it via THG committee. It's quite obvious that we know how to run that company far better than the current bunch of wankers. LET'S DO IT!!!!!
Don't you ever wonder why we shouldn't all band together, get an investment bank or two behind us, and take over AMD? Then we could run it via THG committee. It's quite obvious that we know how to run that company far better than the current bunch of wankers. LET'S DO IT!!!!!
Exactly what I was thinking. At those prices why not spend the little bit extra and get a dual core 3600+? Seems kinda pointless to me. They should sell these for less and rebrand them as Semprons.
Perhaps because if you're buying and running 1000 machines you save 20 x 1000 intialy and then save on energy as 45W is less than 65W.
Perhaps because if you're buying and running 1000 machines you save 20 x 1000 intialy and then save on energy as 45W is less than 65W.
I don't think the electric bill save of single-core A64s from dual-core A64s will be higher than 10W as most of the time the CPUs are idle.
So you think that a 65W chip idles better? If one is 45W how can it only be 10W lower than a 65W chip? With all things being equal it will always be 20W less. 50 of those is a KW-h.
So you think that a 65W chip idles better? If one is 45W how can it only be 10W lower than a 65W chip? With all things being equal it will always be 20W less. 50 of those is a KW-h.
I think you need to check the definition of AMD's TDP.
Never ceases to amaze me that if one company does something its praised or ignored but if the rival does it someone has to rip them a new one.
Unless I'm mistaken, which I'm not, Intel are releasing SINGLE core versions of their new chips soon and no one has complained about this.
Currently there is still a market for single core processors. I would imagine that they are cheaper to build and can get higher yields. OEMS are happier to use these in their entry level systems as opposed to low end duals.
After all AMD/INTEL would not produce them if there was no market for them.
As BM said from a business perspective (buying 100's or 1000's) it makes sense.
They can pump out a lot more single core chips per wafer than they can dual-cores. If people are buying them at only $10 less than a dual-core, they're making a lot more money from them than a dual-core processor. So they'll sell as many as they can.
So you think that a 65W chip idles better? If one is 45W how can it only be 10W lower than a 65W chip? With all things being equal it will always be 20W less. 50 of those is a KW-h.
I think you need to check the definition of AMD's TDP.
But the TDP will be rated the same. If one is rated at 45W it's 20W less than one rated at 65W, unless AMD is usng that new math.
They can pump out a lot more single core chips per wafer than they can dual-cores. If people are buying them at only $10 less than a dual-core, they're making a lot more money from them than a dual-core processor. So they'll sell as many as they can.
But from the performance-per-dollar view, Celeron D (Cedar Mill) family crushes Sempron family.
So you think that a 65W chip idles better? If one is 45W how can it only be 10W lower than a 65W chip? With all things being equal it will always be 20W less. 50 of those is a KW-h.
I think you need to check the definition of AMD's TDP.
But the TDP will be rated the same. If one is rated at 45W it's 20W less than one rated at 65W, unless AMD is usng that new math.
The TDP definition by AMD is the "worst maximum power dissipation" which is not easily achieved. Also most of the time the machines are in idle position. The power saving of getting 65nm processor instead of 90nm is not huge.
Even for dual-core processor, the difference of power consumption numbers are marginal at idle. So the difference in power consumption would not be high.
They can pump out a lot more single core chips per wafer than they can dual-cores. If people are buying them at only $10 less than a dual-core, they're making a lot more money from them than a dual-core processor. So they'll sell as many as they can.
But from the performance-per-dollar view, Celeron D (Cedar Mill) family crushes Sempron family.
I'm talking A64s, 3200+, 3500+, 3800+. The 3800+ @ $88 ($92 on Newegg) massacres P4s and even many PDs with ease, while costing only ~$30 more than Celeron Ds.
The $65 A64 3000+ also pile drives almost any Celeron D you want to try and match it against.
Trying to say Semprons are what Celeron Ds would really have to match up against is silly.
I'm talking A64s, 3200+, 3500+, 3800+. The 3800+ @ $88 ($92 on Newegg) massacres P4s and even many PDs with ease, while costing only ~$30 more than Celeron Ds.
The $65 A64 3000+ also pile drives almost any Celeron D you want to try and match it against.
Trying to say Semprons are what Celeron Ds would really have to match up against is silly.
I cannot give the URL at this time, but I have saw a benchmark that A64 3K+ is crushed by C-D 352.
I'm talking A64s, 3200+, 3500+, 3800+. The 3800+ @ $88 ($92 on Newegg) massacres P4s and even many PDs with ease, while costing only ~$30 more than Celeron Ds.
The $65 A64 3000+ also pile drives almost any Celeron D you want to try and match it against.
Trying to say Semprons are what Celeron Ds would really have to match up against is silly.
I cannot give the URL at this time, but I have saw a benchmark that A64 3K+ is crushed by C-D 352.
Find it if you can, I'd like to see.
I just noticed that the Sempron 3600+ is equally priced to the A64 4000+ (the Sempron is out of stock). That's just silly. It's like a free 400Mhz, double the cache and higher HT speed.
