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February 21, 2007 1:16:27 PM

I was hoping I could get suggestions from some people who have a lot of experience building computers.

Most of the posts I've seen here on systems are talking about major gaming PCs or major overclocking. I'm not looking for that. The only game I really play on my PC currently is World of Warcraft + Expansion, and my PC barely runs it.

What I'm looking for is something that will have room for upgrades later, and run WoW at max settings. Nothing special. I don't think I'll need the best PC ever for that.

I do want a good processor that will keep me going for at least a year and a half before I have to upgrade again and 2 gigs of ram.

Other than that, I really don't what type of memory to get, which processor, which mobo which will support them and most importantly, which graphics card to get that won't be insanely expensive but will be able to handle World of Warcraft at max settings.

I will be transferring DVD burner and CD burner from old PC, but I will need a new case as well if anyone could help with that?

I'm not looking to spend much, hopefully under $2,000. Am I being unrealistic?

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February 21, 2007 1:50:40 PM

No, you are not being unrealistic at $2000.

$500 would get you a very usable PC for WoW using AMD's Brisbane processors. (Mind you really base line components)

$650-$700 would get you major upgrades to a Core2Duo system that would meet your needs. (Mind you really base line components)

The next $1200 would be all gravy.
So the question from me is how much do you want to spend?

Also, how big of a monitor do you want to use?

There is a huge difference between a 17" and 30" in regards to the power required from your Video card.
February 21, 2007 1:55:52 PM

Thanks for the quick response!

Ideally, I would like to stay in the $1,500 area. Technology is moving so fast now that in my mind it just seems a waste to ever buy the best of the best unless you have money to throw around like that. Not to mention I won't be doing that much hardcore gaming on it.

To answer your monitor question, I have a 17" Sony LCD monitor. I'm at work right now so I couldn't even begin to tell you the specs on it. I wasn't looking to buy a new one because currently it looks pretty good running WoW with my cheap set-up. I'm not looking to run a game such as Doom 3 at 220 FPS as some people do.

To quote from another topic I just saw, this set up seems very good for the price...

Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 620W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

XCLIO A380 Silver SECC 1.0mm thickness ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N8

Edit** didn't get the full copy. Also removing the DVD burner.
Yay/nay? Anything to add/remove from it?
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February 21, 2007 2:09:13 PM

Everything there looks quality.
The thing is that I think you are spending far more than what you need.

I have played WoW on are less systems w/o any lag.

1) The 8800GTX is the best card out there right now. Unless you play oblivion or other super rough games this is over kill. Consider waiting until the new DirectX10 cards come out next month. There should be a 8600 version of the card around $200 and still be more than you need.

($Save 350)

2) Swap the E6600 for the E6400 and OC the E6400 to about 3.0Ghz. This should be a very easy OC and be more power than you need. The chip could OC even more, but at 3.0 it will run cool and quiet and rock WoW.

($Save 100)

3) Upgrade to a Seagate 320GB HDD for very little money. This drive uses perpendicular recording and is much faster. This is likely only going to cost you about $25.

4) Along with the video card, consider delaying your build another month or so for the release of the new Intel Chipset which will support the next release of chips due in April with the 1333 FSB.


All of my recommendations are from naturally being a cheapskate :>
The system you selected is perfectly fine.
February 21, 2007 2:12:42 PM

I love cheapskates, I am one myslef :p 

Just to make sure, because I really can't keep up with this stuff....is everything compatible with each other I'm guessing? And, can you reccommend a case? I didn't even take a good look at the cast in that link, but I don't need lights and whatever else they put in there. Its just going under my desk 8O

I really appreciate your help!
February 21, 2007 2:15:35 PM

Good stuff, although the 8800GTX seems wasted on a 17" monitor. You said yourself it was a waste to buy the best of the best, but that's exactly what the 8800GTS is. If you're going to play on a 17" monitor, there's really no need for that beastly graphics card. Perhaps a 8800GTS 320mb.

I know you just said you didn't want to get a new monitor, but I'm going to suggest it anyway. You'd be amazed how much nicer a sweet 22" widescreen LCD is. And they're not that expensive, either- if you bought an 8800GTS 320 instead of the GTX, the total cost would be similar, if not less.
February 21, 2007 2:17:23 PM

I completely agree. I was looking at really the price only of the system when I had copy/pasted it. I noticed some of it was more than I was looking for, but the price was very appealing :lol: 


I probably will look into getting a new monitor later on..
February 21, 2007 2:23:16 PM

I haven't seen a lot of good stuff yet on the Corsair power supply (mostly because it's fairly new). If it were me, I'd go with a more well known PS maker and save some $$ there. Be sure to check the power requirements of any other 8xxx series cards coming out within the next month when you purchase it. Any card in the 8600 series should be much more than what you really need now, but will also be DX10, so you wouldn't have to upgrade it in a year, like you might with a DX9 card. I think it's also fair to say that the 8600 series should operate on par with the 7900 series on any DX9 game.

I agree with the above poster on the HDD.

Another option might be to get the E4300 rather than the E6300 as it won't take your MOBO or RAM as much to get it to 3.0gHz. Also, there are planned price cuts within the next month or two on all core 2 duo chips.

With the price drops of core 2 chips, new 1333 mHz boards and 8600 series video cards all coming out in the next few months, I'd wait if I were you. Actually, I'm in a similar situation, and I'm waiting.....
February 21, 2007 2:37:58 PM

Well, I usually keep my PCs for quite some time before upgrading. My PC now is 4 years+. So I won't really be looking for the new chip sets when they come out, not to mention they probably won't be within my price range. I also can't see myself playing any other games, I barely have time for WoW as it is :oops: 

This is what I have so far...I think I got it all right..working and trying to do newegg searching gets complicated 8)

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6400 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Total: $1,004.96 (no S&H added yet)

Only thing left I guess is a case and a power supply, and I have no idea which to pick. I don't even know if all this goes together. I'm a pretty big hardware newbie :cry:  . I tried to take a bit of everyones recommendations and settle on a happy medium that will keep me going for at least a year or two, and I think this should? Especially for the price? (Minus PSU and case).

**edit** will I need anything else as far as new fans, etc??
February 21, 2007 2:47:22 PM

Quote:
Well, I usually keep my PCs for quite some time before upgrading. My PC now is 4 years+. So I won't really be looking for the new chip sets when they come out, not to mention they probably won't be within my price range. I also can't see myself playing any other games, I barely have time for WoW as it is :oops: 

This is what I have so far...I think I got it all right..working and trying to do newegg searching gets complicated 8)

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6400 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Total: $1,004.96 (no S&H added yet)

Only thing left I guess is a case and a power supply, and I have no idea which to pick. I don't even know if all this goes together. I'm a pretty big hardware newbie :cry:  . I tried to take a bit of everyones recommendations and settle on a happy medium that will keep me going for at least a year or two, and I think this should? Especially for the price? (Minus PSU and case).

**edit** will I need anything else as far as new fans, etc??


The 320 MB version of that card is also way more than you need and will save you $80...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

You could save a few $$ by going with a smaller HDD in the same family.

I know what you mean about not upgrading your CPU if you don't have to, but a 1333 compatible MB will give you more upgrading options later, as well as the possibility of replacing your CPU with an available one should something happen to yours.

As for a PS, there are some great links in that section of the forums for good units. I've always been partial to Antec, but that's just me.

Also, if you're ok in waiting like 2 months, the same CPU will be ~$40 less, the MB should come down a few $$, and you can get a 8600 series video card for another ~$80 less than the card I have the link for above.....
February 21, 2007 3:00:00 PM

Here is a basic case I just used.
It seem quite solid and nice.

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
Nothing fancy, but seems sound.

For PSUs look at this link.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103

I would recommend one of the Tier 2 models that is listed as "Very Quiet".
Tier 1 is more than you need and they tend to be noisey.
I like eliminating White Noise from my PC as much as possible.

The Corsair model you selected is actually on that list as both Tier 2 and very quiet.
February 21, 2007 3:03:23 PM

Quote:
I was hoping I could get suggestions from some people who have a lot of experience building computers.

Most of the posts I've seen here on systems are talking about major gaming PCs or major overclocking. I'm not looking for that. The only game I really play on my PC currently is World of Warcraft + Expansion, and my PC barely runs it.

What I'm looking for is something that will have room for upgrades later, and run WoW at max settings. Nothing special. I don't think I'll need the best PC ever for that.

I do want a good processor that will keep me going for at least a year and a half before I have to upgrade again and 2 gigs of ram.

Other than that, I really don't what type of memory to get, which processor, which mobo which will support them and most importantly, which graphics card to get that won't be insanely expensive but will be able to handle World of Warcraft at max settings.

I will be transferring DVD burner and CD burner from old PC, but I will need a new case as well if anyone could help with that?

I'm not looking to spend much, hopefully under $2,000. Am I being unrealistic?


Yes. Look at Alienware systems from Dell, they are the cheapest!
For those of you who didn't know, I'm kidding.

I hate to say it but...check out tom's $300 computer article. And then don't follow it. Instead, get yourself an AM2 system. I know everyone recommends Core 2 Duo's, and that's another option, but an X2 AMD chip might be cheaper if you're trying to save cash. For a decent gaming system that will last you awhile (and you don't want to buy older DDR memory for any new system anymore, unless you're filling out a high end 939 board maybe) you should be able to get by on far less than $2K. Look at getting two 2GB modules of ram, a DX10 GTS card and a middle of the road motherboard. Intel ICH8 and 965 chipset boards are great for non-OCers.
February 21, 2007 3:22:56 PM

This is what I'm looking at, personally... prices are dropping, too! Oh and I would drop a few things down to save money... namely the hard drive would drop to 160GB.

Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus motherboard, nForce 650i
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300, "Allendale"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Corsair ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

EVGA GeForce 7900GS graphics card (Step-Up to GeForce 8600 Ultra in about a month)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

XClio 188A Black Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

XClio StablePower, 460-Watt Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium OEM DVD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...
-or-
Whatever OS you want

Western Digital Caviar SE16, 320GB Hard Drive, OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Lite-On 18x DVD Burner, OEM, Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...



Final Price: About $1000

That's pretty much it... you can easily overclock the CPU to 3GHz without breaking the limit on the RAM.

EDIT: Changed RAM, added final price
February 21, 2007 4:04:02 PM

if you want a good case
i hear fris has a good deal on the antec 900 for think not shure if it was 89$ or 99$
the antec p180 is a good solid case too and heres a link for discounts from antec
http://www.antec.com/us/pro_b_stock.php
the 180 is around 75$
for me anyway a case ill have to look at for yrs and has to be useable
looks like you got a good setup there gl and have fun
!