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Semperon 3000 (Palermo) support Cool n Quiet?

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February 22, 2007 8:15:55 AM

Cool n Quiet - does the Sempron 3000 (Palermo) support Cool n Quiet?

Power consumption - i want a power efficent server (surrently a P4 1600a) - how much more power drain will the Sempron be? and how much performance gain will i see in the following areas:

Network performance (with PCI gigabit lan card)
Raid 1 performance (with onboard maybe otherwise with PCI RAID card)

This is a file server and download server running Windows Server 2003
February 22, 2007 8:49:41 AM

A Palermo 3000+ (S754) is rated @ 1.8GHz and all K8s 1.8G and above support C'n'Q (I know that only the 2600+ and 2800+ have C'n'Q disabled).
Power consumption is 65W but you will probably be able to undervolt it to a good 1.30-1.25V and make the TDP drop to 45-50W on full load, so overall I think it will be decently low power.
2003 server has low system requirements (lower than XP), so it won't be a problem to handle it; just consider that it won't be far from an A64 3000+.
February 22, 2007 8:50:24 AM

I don't think it does. I looked at that for the same reason as you, and in the end went for an Athlon 3000+ because of the CnQ. There was very little difference in price (about 5 pounds I think) and the Athlon is quicker at the top end when needed.
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February 22, 2007 8:57:45 AM

It's a S754 (palermo) 1.8G 128K L2; it supports C'n'Q, while the 3000+ you're talking about is AM2, 1.6GHz, 256K L2 and that does NOT support C'n'Q.
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February 22, 2007 9:27:06 AM

any tool to find out if its workin?
February 22, 2007 9:35:22 AM

Quite a few, but the easiest way is leave the system at idle and do properties on my computer. If the speed is less than 1.8GHz it's kicked in.

Note that you'll need to have installed the CnQ driver from the AMD website, and switched the system to one of the laptop power saving modes.
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February 22, 2007 9:52:10 AM

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Quite a few, but the easiest way is leave the system at idle and do properties on my computer. If the speed is less than 1.8GHz it's kicked in.

Note that you'll need to have installed the CnQ driver from the AMD website, and switched the system to one of the laptop power saving modes.


i get the feeling the load from doing that will trigger it and i wont be able to tell that way :S
February 22, 2007 12:22:24 PM

Keep in mind that idle, with or without C'n'Q, the CPU will consume more or less the same energy; I remember when I had the A64 3000+ (1.8G), the difference between idle temperatures with and without C'n'Q (1.0G and 1.8G) most often did not get larget than 1°C.
IMO, you can even use a dirt cheap 2600+ because the most important thing in lowering hat dissipation and power consumption is undervolting, not C'n'Q. I used to run my 3000+ overclocked to 2.0G but undervolted between 1.25 and 1.20V and that brought the load temps down a good 5-8° while on the other hand, C'n'Q does do any considerable job on a single core, especially at those frequencies. You should seek undervolting moch more than C'n'Q.
February 22, 2007 12:51:25 PM

not sure about the sempron 3000, wifes old 2800 did not support c&q. curretly im using my old a64 3000 mobile (s754) for my server. it does quite well, but either way, undervolting the the biggest key here.
February 22, 2007 1:09:23 PM

An 'old' Sempron 2800+ might also refer ro a socket A Sempron 2800+; ALL K8 (S754, 939 and AM2) Athlons and semprons do support Cool'n'Quiet. However, as I stated above, judging by my previous experience with the Athlon 3000+, undervolting is a much powerful method than C'n'Q for lowering power consumption, especially at these low frequencies. Just take a look at the PCU calculator and play with the OC voltage lowering it and keeping the OC frequency the same as stock:
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
On 1.25V, the Palermo Sempron 3000+ consumes only 49W. If I were Apache_lives, I'd nail the 3000+ @ 1.4GHz with CrystalCPUID (by making a scheduled task that runs the 7X multi on windows startup and setting power management scheme to 'Home/Office PC') and that would be enough to make it run on only 1.20V; that gives a miserable 35W.
February 22, 2007 6:00:37 PM

my wife old sempron 2800 was s754, infact it was the sempron 64 2800. i tried everything to get c&q to wok to no avail. although the box did say it had it. i know it wasnt the board as the board was the same as the one i was running a a64 mobile 3000 in.
February 22, 2007 9:25:20 PM

Well as I said at the beginning, only K8s of 1.8GHz and above have C'n'Q enabled (stupidly wrote ALL in the previous post :oops:  ), because for 1.6GHz and below, it does not really make any difference. On my Athlon64 3000+, the difference between idling with or withour C'n'Q was at most 1°C; which also means a very small consumption difference. That's the reason why they disable it on 1.6GHz semprons.
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February 23, 2007 3:30:13 AM

Update

Correct it does have CnQ - it clocks back to 897mhz (900mhz) when enabled

thanx guys
February 23, 2007 3:38:24 AM

Lil late but you could use CPU-Z.
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