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February 22, 2007 10:36:55 AM

The inquirer said that newer models of the gf8 series will have agp versions!

You can read it here http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37790

But the question is, how useless can this be? I mean, direct x 10 on a outdated system, assuming that if you have agp, most probably your system wont actually match todays standards in terms of good hardware parts. There is not much point of playing a dx10 game with all eyecandy set low, because you most probably will need to set it low, in order to keep a playable framerate, couting that you'll need to be running vista to have dx10. Anyway, i might be wrong and the cards will do a bit of a miracle for old systems ! I just wanna see the reviews when they're out! ^^

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February 22, 2007 11:16:43 AM

Want an example? A Sempron with 256kb of L2 cache, clocked at 2.5 GHz: pretty much enough oomph CPU-wise to run any game, and I would say that there MUST be some Intel mobo that can bear a c2d which still has an AGP port - or which can overclock a 805D to 4GHz.
That means CPU muscle and an AGP port.
Anonymous
February 22, 2007 11:20:12 AM

I run a C2D E6400 with DDR ram and AGP. Runs any game right now with most settings at max and at 1680 x 1050 on my 22"

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February 22, 2007 11:36:01 AM

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I run a C2D E6400 with DDR ram and AGP. Runs any game right now with most settings at max and at 1680 x 1050 on my 22"

See sig for specs
There's no way you're playing the same games I am then; I own a 6800GT clocked higher than a 6800Ultra in my second system, and there is no way in hell you're playing F.E.A.R., Oblivion, or any other title on the max settings at 1680x1050.
February 22, 2007 11:46:15 AM

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A Sempron with 256kb of L2 cache, clocked at 2.5 GHz: pretty much enough oomph CPU-wise to run any game


To date, but i doubt it would do fine with future dx10 titles, with decent ingame settings.
Those c2d board agp capable are somewhat rare (so i think), and a waist of resourses if you're going to use a c2d for recent dx10 games considering you're using an agp port, but maybe this incoming gf8 agp cards can change that furreal.

And btw keep in mind i was referring only to dx10 titles.
February 22, 2007 11:59:12 AM

Simon says you must not read the INQ
February 22, 2007 12:02:35 PM

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I run a C2D E6400 with DDR ram and AGP. Runs any game right now with most settings at max and at 1680 x 1050 on my 22"

See sig for specs
There's no way you're playing the same games I am then; I own a 6800GT clocked higher than a 6800Ultra in my second system, and there is no way in hell you're playing F.E.A.R., Oblivion, or any other title on the max settings at 1680x1050.

i own e4300 at 2.5 and 2gigs ddr1 and a underclocked 7900gs(my psu is soo crappy i cant do anything atm) and i run bf2 and fear at max everything and i get no less then 80 fps on either game... i can get my e4300 to 3ghz and oc and unlock my 7900 to gtx speeds but my crappy psu doesnt allow.. ordering a new one soon so i can ass rape my system.
February 22, 2007 12:04:17 PM

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http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/01/agp-platform-ana...
read this article. AGP and PCIE cards performs same, agp isnt a botleneck. I am runing A 4200+X2 with agp X850XTPE and i am quite satisfied. soon i'll be going to upgrade to X1950pro... or maybe 8800 :lol: 
You can get a socket 939 PCIe board for less than $100; if there is a Geforce 8 series for AGP, it'll be slower and chances are priced much higher than the similarly performing PCIe variant.
February 22, 2007 12:14:01 PM

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assuming that if you have agp, most probably your system wont actually match todays standards in terms of good hardware parts. There is not much point of playing a dx10 game with all eyecandy set low, because you most probably will need to set it low, in order to keep a playable framerate, couting that you'll need to be running vista to have dx10. Anyway, i might be wrong and the cards will do a bit of a miracle for old systems ! I just wanna see the reviews when they're out! ^^


uhhh.... i have an agp system with a core 2 duo e6600 and a x1950 pro :roll: does that match todays standards???
February 22, 2007 12:29:27 PM

I said "assuming"! Of course that there are some exceptions as yourself! But rare are those who own a c2d with a agp interface, and ok, this card might be a good upgrade for those, or not, reviews will tell.
Once again, keep in mind i'm only talking about dx10 games, which run only under Windows resources-hungry Vista, and i'm definitely not taking credit of agp systems, i own myself an old athlon xp with a 7800gs on it, and it does pretty well atm. I'm just mentioning the usefulness of such dx10 agp card. Those who have a c2d with agp interface, will most likely have a good agp card to coop with it, and these upcoming cards might very well not be such a good upgrade in comparation with your actual ati1950pro, even if for dx10 games. But these are only speculations. Future will tell.
February 22, 2007 12:30:29 PM

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I run a C2D E6400 with DDR ram and AGP. Runs any game right now with most settings at max and at 1680 x 1050 on my 22"


Uhm, no ways dude 8O
February 22, 2007 12:43:34 PM

:lol: 
Sounds like Nvidia has a few warehouses full of their PCIe-AGP bridge chips and figuring out a way to use them up
February 22, 2007 1:10:00 PM

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Want an example? A Sempron with 256kb of L2 cache, clocked at 2.5 GHz: pretty much enough oomph CPU-wise to run any game, and I would say that there MUST be some Intel mobo that can bear a c2d which still has an AGP port - or which can overclock a 805D to 4GHz.
That means CPU muscle and an AGP port.


I can't say I agree at all. If you're planning on playing a game like Supreme Commander you're going to run into huge problems with a weak CPU like that Sempron.
February 22, 2007 2:45:51 PM

if you have enough money to buy an 8800 agp video card, you have enough money to buy a new mother board...I mean come on!

February 22, 2007 3:43:35 PM

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But the question is, how useless can this be? I mean, direct x 10 on a outdated system, assuming that if you have agp, most probably your system wont actually match todays standards in terms of good hardware parts.


My second machine is a socket 939 opty175 with an 850xt agp. That machine would be an excellent candidate for a DX10 upgrade down the road.
a b Î Nvidia
February 22, 2007 5:02:12 PM

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if you have enough money to buy an 8800 agp video card, you have enough money to buy a new mother board...I mean come on!


Just remember people these are NOT GF8800s they will be GF8300-8400s !

They are to replace the GF7600GS, and likely their primary roles will be HTPCs and OEMs that have old systems to sell or upgrade.

This is not a cutting edge gaming solution, and will likely game worse than the GF7600GT-AGP, GF7800GS-AGP, and the X1650Pro, X1950Pro and X190XT on AGP.

This is more for people who want a taste of the visuals, but don't primarily game. And likely an upgrade path worthy of people moving from an AGP X700/X800, or low end GF6 or FX card (although likely FX users have already moved if they have any self-respect :wink: ), doesn't offer much to even high end GF6 users really.

I think this iis the move we were all expecting. I still think it's a waste of money and the opposite strategy that nV (or ATi or anyone) needs to take at this point, and the sooner support is cut-off the sooner they can move to a unified platform. At this point it's more of a checkbox product than anything else IMO, something for the PR/marketing boys to write a press release about.
February 22, 2007 5:18:38 PM

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if you have enough money to buy an 8800 agp video card, you have enough money to buy a new mother board...I mean come on!


Just remember people these are NOT GF8800s they will be GF8300-8400s !

They are to replace the GF7600GS, and likely their primary roles will be HTPCs and OEMs that have old systems to sell or upgrade.


Agrred. Which brings up the interesting question - will they include HDCP support? - something lacking from all series 7 AGP solutions (that I have found). This is very important for HTPC use, but if widespread cracking of BluRay and HD-DVD occurs it becomes an inconvenience but not a show stopper (excuse the pun!) to not have HDCP.
a b Î Nvidia
February 22, 2007 6:03:40 PM

The GF7600GS and 7900GS had HDCP on some of them, and I thought the GF7950s all supported HDCP?

So it's likely that the HDCP will be on the AGP GF8 card, but remember now the entire display package is outside the GF8800, so not sure what they'll do for these, if it's outside as well then they can add or subtract features at will.
February 22, 2007 7:32:38 PM

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The GF7600GS and 7900GS had HDCP on some of them, and I thought the GF7950s all supported HDCP?


For *PCIe* yes. For *AGP* no.... (no GF7950 for AGP either).

But I'd love for some-one to prove me wrong with a product link as I am sure many HTPC enthusiasts with AGP MB's, like myself, would be interested.
a b Î Nvidia
February 22, 2007 11:09:46 PM

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For *PCIe* yes. For *AGP* no.... (no GF7950 for AGP either).


Yes yes,, sorry, not reading at work, D'oh! Forgot about the AGP focus of the thread, it's not like it was in the title or anything. :oops: 

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But I'd love for some-one to prove me wrong with a product link as I am sure many HTPC enthusiasts with AGP MB's, like myself, would be interested.


Yeah I don't know if they put any GF7600GS on AGP with HDCP enabled hardware. The problem is that it's only some GF7600GS that are, most aren't.
Anonymous
February 23, 2007 2:11:10 AM

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I run a C2D E6400 with DDR ram and AGP. Runs any game right now with most settings at max and at 1680 x 1050 on my 22"


Uhm, no ways dude 8O

Uhm, yes way dude, most new games out now I can.
a b Î Nvidia
February 23, 2007 2:15:33 AM

Betcha Oblivion isn't oneof them. :wink:
Anonymous
February 23, 2007 5:41:03 PM

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Betcha Oblivion isn't oneof them. :wink:


LoL nope, haven't played oblivion yet.
But I do play HL2, CoD2, F.E.A.R. + expansion and NWN2 (but its bugged a bit graphically on any setting to lag at times.) to name a few.
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