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February 22, 2007 5:47:11 PM

I have decided I am going to start building me a new system here soon, I have built many systems in the past from scratch so no worries there. However this will be my first overclock system. I am trying to get upper main stream performance from a "budget" pc. I know this can go under several catagories in the OC forum so I thought I would stick it here,

Parts decided on for sure

CPU: C2D E4300
RAM Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 or Buffalo Firestix DDR2-800 both 2x1gb dual channel (corsair is cheaper after rebate - but the buffalo firestix ranked good in TH latest memory overclocking review)
PSU: OCZ GameXtreme 600W
Video Card: most likely an evga or xfx geforce 8800gts probably the 320mb version since can get those for under $300

what I still need help on

Motherboard - I am leaning towards an P965 or 650i chipset still undecided
Case: need something in midtower size but
a) has good airflow
b) enough room for all my junk with out restricting the airflow
c) looks nice :D 

since I am looking to do this by air cooling - most likely I will be using the Artic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro (and open to other suggestions as long as I don't have to modify the HSF)

so any suggestions would be great - I am looking to spend under $200 for the mbd if possible and the case well anything under $150 put prefferably under $100.

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February 24, 2007 11:23:23 AM

So you want to overclock- The Gigabyte DS3 965p is what alot of people are using ~$130
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/ga-p...

Picking a case is highly subjective and depends on your taste,neon+ flashy or clean lines + subdued.
Antec p180 (clean lines + subdued) $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Antec 900 (neon+ flashy) $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Antec is a respected name in cases around here from what I read.
A main feature you want is 12cm intake and exhaust fans.
Pick a couple cases you like and post them so we can see what you like.

The Artic Cooler is a good cooler for the price but its out of stock all over the internet. This Scythe Ninja Rev.B is great for OCing and is not too expensive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...
February 24, 2007 5:13:06 PM

as far as my case goes - I want something big enough to fig a 8800 size card. for starters I will only be using one card but maybe upgrade to sli in the future but that is not for sure. I know the ds3 is only a single pci-e x16 slot. and the dq6 has 2 slots i believe?

and for cases. was looking at some of the following:
only requirements:
1) has to be a mid tower or a full tower if it is under 20" tall (restriction on my desk) extra fans are nice - but can get away with a 120 mm and 80mm if it can be swapped out later
2) and again long enough to fit an 8800gts

but here are some styles I am looking at:

Cooler Master Centurion 5:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

NZXT apollo black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Thermaltake VD3000BNA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

and either of the antec cases are nice

they don't really have to be all that flashy since it is in a desk slot itself, although since I will be overclocking it, not sure if I should move it out of the desk even though i will have a couple inches top and rear clearing.

one other thing with the cpu cooler, would prefer something that already has the lga775 pin attachment on it for easy install and not something I would have to modify. so not sure how it works with the scyth models, although I see they come with an array of attachments.
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February 24, 2007 6:30:06 PM

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February 24, 2007 8:59:16 PM

That thermaltake case looks good. 2 12cm fans and also the usb firewire and headphone jacks on the top of the case will be easer to use when its installed in your desk. This silver version is $25 cheaper after the rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
BTW, is the cubby for the computer open on the back? Then it should be no problem. If you want the option to go sli in the future then the ASUS P5N-E Sli is a good overclocker and good value:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
The Ninja uses the regular 775 pins to mount.

Hope this helps!
February 25, 2007 5:08:09 AM

If your going to go sli then definitely go with asus 650i just make sure to check around for supported ram because it's a bit picky Corsair would work fine but i am not so sure about firestix's. For a case recommendation i would go with nzxt, i myself have a lexa case, it makes everything really simple to install and it comes with 4 fans already equipped.

Lexa
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Zero
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=11%2D...
February 25, 2007 6:18:27 AM

Both those cases are nice (The cooling on that zero is crazy!) but both are too tall to fit in his desk, he says its only 20 inches.
February 25, 2007 7:47:16 PM

Aw that sucks :(  . Thats why i got myself a $80 desk with no pc slot :lol:  .
February 26, 2007 4:57:19 PM

mobo:
asus p5w-dh (open box at new egg 140) with ati
asus pn5-e with nvidia

i use both these my e6300 is in p5w-dh since sept - 385 fsb i run x1950xtx crossfire

case: 12cm in (front) and out (back) - and door fan or 2 80's in front and back - check out the raidmax 701 (3 gages) sweet case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ram: pop extra for 4-4-4-12 denominator with the cooler its cool and runs great

cpu cooler: thermal right ultra 90 (cheap!) my e6300 runs 39C at 2.7ghz at 100% both cores


psu: ocz are just ok - i have pulled ocz's and they run hot - get a 60 amp silver stone strider $109 at east luna quad rail its rated for close to 700 w - 80% efficient - i use the 750 in my rig with 2 x1950xt it hardly gets hot!

gpu: the over clock gts in testing is almost as good as the gtx - but the 320 a normal resolutions is almost as good as the 640mb - tough call - i get the oc gts 640mb. But you may be right will the 320!
February 26, 2007 6:12:25 PM

Antec P180 case seems to fit your bill and for mobo i'd go with P965 DS3 Gigabyte, great board. Have one myself and it runs stable at over 450FSB.
February 26, 2007 8:24:29 PM

the antec 180 - is too big! make sure you get long psu cords - its a great case if you need the room.

- i like the 900 better but if you use the 900 you better have a clean room - if place it on a carpet floor you need to clean it monthly.
February 27, 2007 1:31:55 AM

Everyone seem to be suggesting the DS3. Ok thats fine, I cant really disagree. But, from what I have been reading, the P5B-E and the P5B Deluxe, are the best P965 overclockers. I have read that these two are nearly equal, and generally give the highest overclocks for the 965 chipset. Is this true or not?

In about 2 weeks I am going to upgrade fron socket 462 and agp to socket 775 and PCI-E. And I am trying to decide what motherboard to get also. I am about to start my own thread so as to not hijack anyone elses but will be asking the same questions.

But since he is specifically asking for an overclocking machine, I figure he want the best overclocker mainboard for his pricerange.
February 27, 2007 7:33:20 AM

I am actually gonna go with a 650i chipset board i think. Probably the asus P5N-E sli - since the 965 chipset doesn't do well with nvidia sli setups.

so far my setup is looking like this:
Case Cooler Master Centurion 5
CPU Core 2 Duo E6320 w/ 4mb Cache 1.83GHz/1066FSB (when released in april) or Core 2 Duo E4300 since it will only be $113 roughly vs $163 for the 6320
RAM GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) 240-pin DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 timings
PSU Antec True Power Trio 550w
Heatsink Scythe Ninja or Thermaltake Blue Orb II
Video Card eVGA Geforce 8800GTS 320MB
Soundcard Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
Motherboard Asus P5N-E SLI 650i
Harddrive Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s x2 in Raid 0
DVD burner LG 18X DVD±R Super-Multi DVD Burner

just not sure which of the 2 processors I am going to get or the HSF combo - just not sure how well the blue orb will sit on the asus board.
Either scenario I pick should land the system under $1200 which is about as high as I can go at the moment

any comments on the viability of this setup - i think I should easily be able to hit 3.2-3.6 GHz range correct?
February 27, 2007 12:25:40 PM

Quote:
I am actually gonna go with a 650i chipset board i think. Probably the asus P5N-E sli - since the 965 chipset doesn't do well with nvidia sli setups.

so far my setup is looking like this:
Case Cooler Master Centurion 5
CPU Core 2 Duo E6320 w/ 4mb Cache 1.83GHz/1066FSB (when released in april) or Core 2 Duo E4300 since it will only be $113 roughly vs $163 for the 6320
RAM GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) 240-pin DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 timings
PSU Antec True Power Trio 550w
Heatsink Scythe Ninja or Thermaltake Blue Orb II
Video Card eVGA Geforce 8800GTS 320MB
Soundcard Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
Motherboard Asus P5N-E SLI 650i
Harddrive Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s x2 in Raid 0
DVD burner LG 18X DVD±R Super-Multi DVD Burner

just not sure which of the 2 processors I am going to get or the HSF combo - just not sure how well the blue orb will sit on the asus board.
Either scenario I pick should land the system under $1200 which is about as high as I can go at the moment

any comments on the viability of this setup - i think I should easily be able to hit 3.2-3.6 GHz range correct?


Tuniq Tower 120 FTW!!!

For the CPU i'd definetly go with the E4300. The added cache of the E6320 makes minimal difference. So i'd go with the E4300 especially when overclocking as when you factor in the lower multiplier of the E6320 you get a lower max overclock (Due to FSB limitations of the mobo).

With the Tuniq air cooler 3.6ghz should be fairly easy to reach with that E4300 (would be a 400fsb, 1600 when quad pumped!), especially with DDR2-800 (1:1 RAM:FSB ratio :D )
February 27, 2007 3:55:51 PM

what are the multipliers again on the E4300, E6300, E6400??
February 27, 2007 4:10:33 PM

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what are the multipliers again on the E4300, E6300, E6400??


E4300 is 9, E6300 is 7 and E6400 is 8. The E4300 is basically an E6600 with lower FSB and less Cache.
February 27, 2007 4:49:47 PM

actually the E4400 will be 2.0ghz/800fsb - so to get to to the 400fsb for maximum 1;1 ration on the ram. My guess it would be a x10 mulitplier

so 400fsbx 10 = 4.0 GHz overclock

and it will be about $133 roughly when released

vs same fsb overclock on the 4300 - 3.6ghz for $113
February 27, 2007 6:03:27 PM

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA222...

I bought this case. And after a month I still love it. You will not have cooling issues with this bad boy. My Big Typhoon fits perfectly even with that 25cm side fan. And it's quiet. And it comes with 500w PSU so you will have a back up. Only $59. Get the blue led extra 80mm fan. Looks d@mn good and lots of room.


Monk
February 27, 2007 6:10:46 PM

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I kinda like this one more. Oh well.


Monk
February 27, 2007 6:16:22 PM

If you're looking into saving money, go with the GA motherboard.

DS3 or S3

go with Transcend JetRam PC2-6400, it's going for $75 per stick on NewEgg.

My combination of those got my E4300 running at 3.6GHz ... running 59C full load, passed Prime95 stress test for 29 hours, and MemTest 18 hours.
February 28, 2007 1:45:01 AM

does anyone have a list of compatible ram for the Asus P5N-E SLi board?

also what benefit would I get by getting the 4-4-4-12 timing ddr2-800 vs the 5-5-5-15 if I run the FSB to 400mhz on the processor thus getting 1:1 ratio on the ram?
February 28, 2007 5:33:21 AM

Quote:
does anyone have a list of compatible ram for the Asus P5N-E SLi board?

also what benefit would I get by getting the 4-4-4-12 timing ddr2-800 vs the 5-5-5-15 if I run the FSB to 400mhz on the processor thus getting 1:1 ratio on the ram?


The difference wouldn't be noticable (if there even is a difference!). Intel chips don't gain as much from lower latency RAM as AMD chips do.
February 28, 2007 1:27:50 PM

Quote:
does anyone have a list of compatible ram for the Asus P5N-E SLi board?

also what benefit would I get by getting the 4-4-4-12 timing ddr2-800 vs the 5-5-5-15 if I run the FSB to 400mhz on the processor thus getting 1:1 ratio on the ram?


The difference wouldn't be noticable (if there even is a difference!). Intel chips don't gain as much from lower latency RAM as AMD chips do.


Agreed. My system below....only received a 1.65% increase in performance by going from 5-5-5-15 to 4-4-4-12.


Monk
February 28, 2007 3:24:25 PM

grr can't decide

was thinking about my potential setup last night
relaizing that I most likely won't go the sli route - simply because to do so would require purchasing a larger psu than i originally plan on goin with in addition to the card will be to much of a hassle

plus with the notorious issues the p5n-e has with memory an also it won't work with all 4 memory banks occupied with vista which is a more realistic upgrade for me than to sli

so I thinking I gonna go with the ds3 and also a FSP 500w psu - which gives 40a pull which is more than sufficient to run the 8800gts i plan on throwing in there at the get go

comments?

btw you can view my parts list on new egg via public wish list

also getting a tuniq tower 120 from frozencpu - cheaper than newegg by$10 and in stock :D 
February 28, 2007 4:39:33 PM

Gigabyte S3 would be best for you (Cheaper than DS3 as doesn't have intergrated graphics).

Overall the build looks great, makes me slightly jealous!
February 28, 2007 6:44:30 PM

yea its not to shabby for a "budget system" /snicker

that being the term i throwing at me wife
February 28, 2007 6:52:12 PM

Quote:
yea its not to shabby for a "budget system" /snicker

that being the term i throwing at me wife


You lucky mofo!
February 28, 2007 8:28:57 PM

If you don't plan on going sli then yes a ds3 would be better. P5N-E has some ram issues but pretty much anything ocz, corsair, mushkin, kingston, or g. skill will work. As for 4 gigs on vista I heard it will work but with the x64 os. About the ram i showed you, 4-4-4-12 timming not because it has super performance but because it has great price 185$ for 2 gigs of ram... thats like 92.50 for each stick with heatspreaders and a reputable name :p  .
March 1, 2007 8:02:58 AM

Quote:
Gigabyte S3 would be best for you (Cheaper than DS3 as doesn't have intergrated graphics).

Overall the build looks great, makes me slightly jealous!


the 965p DS3 doesnt have onboard graphics,
the 965g DS3 has onboard graphics
the S3 is cheap because all you get is a motherboard nothing else

the antec case is a good one besides sales check this addy out
http://www.antec.com/us/pro_b_stock.php
the 180b is 75$ there

http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA48309...
ds3 3.3 revision
pretty much the same as im building and my budgit is only 1000$ total
March 1, 2007 9:29:38 AM

GA 965P-S3 is a very good quality motherboard. The cheap budget system I built for my uncle 5 months ago, is running in his office for 24/7, and he told me he hasn't had any problems with it as of yet. His system was running on E6300 overclocked at 3.409GHz with stock HSF. I haven't seen much other motherboards exceeding this mark, except with the help with good HSF. I've helped at least 2 person got the same setup to 3.3-3.4GHz with S3.
March 2, 2007 3:05:52 PM

one last question, has anyone with the ds3 been experiencing issues when attempting to use both the pata controller and setting up a multi disk raid 0 on the sata. I have been reading a few issues about it, and wondering if it was resolved yet.

Main reason i am asking I plan to use 2x WD 1600aajj's in them as they have the highest ratings for boot/ access etc per the TH benchmarks behind only the WD raptors. and well 2 is in raid 0 is always better than 1 straight up :D 
March 2, 2007 3:20:09 PM

and also to with regards to cooling the north bridge. I know it will run hot when overclocking. but with a tuniq tower in there will it cover the NB? and if so any good recommendations on cooling it off.
March 3, 2007 1:31:28 AM

My current setup on E4300 @ 3.6GHz & GA-965P-DS3, running on 2x RaptorX on RAID-0, and one of my old 200GB IDE HDD and a DVD-Writer, and I don't have any problems with it.
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