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Challenge: Who here can beat Dell the most? $5 to the winner

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February 23, 2007 1:34:23 PM

So most people claim that you can save a ton by building... we'll lets put your money where your mouth is!!! :D 

Here's the challenge, beat this system using the same specs (where available) without putting junk into the computer (e.g. mobo, ram). I've put a "EXACT" next to the items that must be exactly the same.

For others items, you must provide the same quality or better.

<EDIT>
When I say "BEAT" I mean $$$ saved for the same level of performance as the Dell rig. I know it's tempting to pile that $$ into better parts, and it goes against our natural desires to avoid building closed/obsolete systems... BUT RESIST YOUR URGES. YOU ARE DELL!

<END EDIT>

Just to make it interesting.... $5 Newegg gift certificate will be emailed to the winner... and bragging rights of course! :p 

This will end in 3 days... if you want, you can PM your specs and links to me to keep them hidden (I'll post your entry at the very end).

Post edits are not allowed.

Have fun!

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Dell Quote - $3,769

PROCESSOR: Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6600 (EXACT)

OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows® XP Professional with re-installation (EXACT)

MEMORY: 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs

HARD DRIVE: 500GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™

ADDITIONAL HARD DRIVE: 160GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (10,000RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™

OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability

VIDEO CARD 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX (EXACT)

SOUND CARD Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic (D) Sound Card (EXACT)

SPEAKERS Logitech Z5500 500 Watt 5.1 Digital Surround Speakers w/control pod

KEYBOARD & MOUSE LOGITECH G15 Gaming Keyboard (EXACT)

MOUSE LOGITECH G5 Laser Gaming Mouse (EXACT)

POWER PROTECTION APC Back-UPS ES 650 VA with Phone and Coax Protection

ANTI-VIRUS & SECURITY McAfee SecurityCenter with VirusScan, Firewall, Spyware Removal, 15-months (Must be a paid service from a major company... no freeware)

WARRANTY AND SERVICE 1Yr Ltd Warranty and At-Home Service

SYSTEM DETAILS 2.5MM aluminum thickness Chassis with front & back customizable LEDs

SYSTEM DETAILS 7-slot, BTX design motherboard

SYSTEM DETAILS 750-watt Power Supply

SYSTEM DETAILS Tower Six-heat pipe, Copper base Heat Sink with aluminum fans

SYSTEM DETAILS Two 120mm x 38mm front fans

FREE SHIPPING
February 23, 2007 2:15:55 PM

I will later, but just want to point out that even if the price(somehow) is more than the DELL, the quality of parts you use in a custom build and upgradeability compared to a DELL will easily beat it.

Also, this should prob be in General Homebuilt.
February 23, 2007 2:38:11 PM

I dunno. Can Dell Beat Dell? I just posted to:

!HELP! Building new Dual Xeon Quad Core Video Editing Sytem

thread a dual quad Xeon 4GB RAM system that would likely grind up this PC and smoke it for exactly $231 more!!!
February 23, 2007 3:00:48 PM

Sunbeam Tuniq Tower 120 $54.99
http://order.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/wg-order?ysco_key_...

Shin Etsu X23-7783D $8.00
http://www.ajigo-store.com/se7783d.html

From Newegg:

ASUS 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe and 14X DVD-RAM Write Black SATA Model DRW-1814BLT - OEM

Item #: N82E16827135145
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $40.99

SILVERSTONE TJ09-BW Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811163073
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $294.99

Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5000YS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM x2
Item #: N82E16822136032
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy $329.98
($164.99 each)

Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JB 200GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822144129
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy $62.99

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130072
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy $559.99

Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16829102189
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $182.99

XCLIO STABLEPOWER 1000W ATX Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817189016
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $379.99

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16823126179
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $71.99

Logitech G5 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Mouse - Retail
Item #: N82E16826104191
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $45.99

APC Back-UPS BR1500 1500VA 865W UPS - Retail
Item #: N82E16842101125
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $214.99

GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model GX22GB5300LDCK= - Retail

Item #: N82E16820144046
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $194.99

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128323
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $194.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115003
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy $314.00

Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116213
Return Policy: Software Return Policy $199.99

McAfee Virusscan Plus 2007 3 Users - Retail
Item #: N82E16832284008
Return Policy: Software Return Policy $49.99

SILVERSTONE FM121 120mm Case Fan - Retail

Item #: N82E16811999344
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $31.98

Total:
$3607.70 w/ 1 year full warranty.


I'll tell you why I didn't go for certain items. for instance, the UPS from APC that I found is rated higher than the one on your list. I went for ATX factor boards and cooling because of the upgradeability and the fact that few BTX boards sold are overclockable. The DQ6 is one of the best on the market. The TJ09 instead of the BTX case because it is the best case out today. the Tuniq Tower 120, because it is undeniably the best air cooler available on the market. The Shin-etsu X23 thermal interface because it too, is the best thermal grease generally available to the public. I was able to add a second 500GB HDD in and still come in under budget. As a matter of fact, I choose some options that were far more expensive than necessary.
February 23, 2007 3:06:10 PM

DaSickNinja sorts it out as usual :lol: 

More money can be saved by using AVG as apposed to McAfee(waste of money) and time is saved as you wouldnt have ot do a reformat to remove all that crap that dell put on their computers.
February 23, 2007 3:15:36 PM

Hmmm... very interesting. I'm reserving comments for the end.

Just keep in mind, looking to see a similar performing system - what it would cost the enthusiast to build vs. what dell is charging.

I know if you used the same budget, you could probably get better parts or more extras... but that's not really the challenge.

Build a system as close to Dell specs as possible and lets see how much Dell is pocketing over a Do-it-yourself person.

In some instances the exact item is not available or unknown or strictly OEM (e.g. the case)... so just put in a equal part or better.

Since the DaSickNinja took the first shot (and posted publicly)... I'll give him a shot to edit the post if he'd like. Strip out the extras (e.g. the extra hard drive).

Cool, looking forward to seeing the various entries.
February 23, 2007 3:19:29 PM

I find it interesting and telling that the very first product on the list was the Tuniq. That's the right way to do it, Ninja. Get the cooler first and then build the rest of the system around it! It's hard to beat the Tuniq! :D 
February 23, 2007 3:22:09 PM

Quote:
I find it interesting and telling that the very first product on the list was the Tuniq. That's the right way to do it, Ninja. Get the cooler first and then build the rest of the system around it! It's hard to beat the Tuniq! :D 


BEGIN Threadjack

Capt,
FYI - The word on the street is that CS3 is launching Mar 27th.

END of Threadjack.
February 23, 2007 3:27:19 PM

Quote:
BEGIN Threadjack

Capt,
FYI - The word on the street is that CS3 is launching Mar 27th.

END of Threadjack.


BEGIN reply to threadjack

WOW! HOT DAMN! THANKS DUDE! THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!

END reply to threadjack.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. :lol: 
February 23, 2007 3:28:41 PM

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Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
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Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
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EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
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Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 70SB073A00000 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
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Broadway Com Corp Okia-black-650 ATX 650W Power Supply - Retail
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Logitech Z-5500 505 Watts 5.1 Speaker - Retail
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Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard - Retail
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Logitech G5 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Mouse - Retail
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APC BE650R 650 VA 390 Watts UPS - Retail
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Item #: N82E16820208246

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128012

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115003

Microsoft Windows XP Pro SP2b 1pk w/Upgrade Coupon for Vista - OEM
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McAfee Internet Security Suite 2007 - Retail
Item #: N82E16832284011

Thermaltake CL-P0370 92mm Enter CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835106085

subtotal $2,414.84
shipping $88.22
Mail in rebates - $95.00

Total: $2408.06
Hell for another 600 you can throw in a Quad core and stay under budget.
February 23, 2007 3:34:52 PM

Quote:
I find it interesting and telling that the very first product on the list was the Tuniq. That's the right way to do it, Ninja. Get the cooler first and then build the rest of the system around it! It's hard to beat the Tuniq! :D 

For air cooling, its damn near impossible. I also avoided BTX because its really a dead end. Most BTX board utilize the P915 chipset. Old as focking hell. Or even worse, a VIA chip set. There is no way in heaven or the seven depths of hell that I'll ever recommend a VIA chipset with a E6600. I have my pride to uphold.
February 23, 2007 3:37:40 PM

Shipping for that configuration would probably come in near $80.

Both configurations are good deals. If I didn't want to deal w/ the hassle of building i'd definitely go for the dell. But being an ethusiast, I like to do everything myself.
February 23, 2007 3:40:04 PM

Dell receives a lot of OEM exclusive parts. But just because they are exclusive, doesn't in anyway make them better. Their power supplies are crap. The cases are shit. They add too much bloat ware. They overcharge for lower binned parts. I could go on and on. The only place Dell will win is when it comes to building sub $600 PC's.
February 23, 2007 3:43:47 PM

Quote:

For air cooling, its damn near impossible. I also avoided BTX because its really a dead end. Most BTX board utilize the P915 chipset. Old as focking hell. Or even worse, a VIA chip set. There is no way in heaven or the seven depths of hell that I'll ever recommend a VIA chipset with a E6600. I have my pride to uphold.


Tuniq 120, Scythe Infinity, Zalman 9700, why would anyone buy another cooler?

Quote:
Shipping for that configuration would probably come in near $80.

Both configurations are good deals. If I didn't want to deal w/ the hassle of building i'd definitely go for the dell. But being an ethusiast, I like to do everything myself.


No doubt about the fact that it's better to be able to cherry pick your own components, but if you're looking at the bottom line (as I am) I doubt that you'd be able to put together a dual Quad Xeon, 4GB RAM, dual 500GB HDs, etc. for exactly $4000. There are some advantages to dealing with a company that buys CPUs by the containerload! But like I said, I'm very wary of Dell's builds as there have been reports lately of screwups.
February 23, 2007 3:46:33 PM

Quote:
Shipping for that configuration would probably come in near $80.

Both configurations are good deals. If I didn't want to deal w/ the hassle of building i'd definitely go for the dell. But being an ethusiast, I like to do everything myself.

I think there are free shipping coupons on the Internet that can be found.
February 23, 2007 4:18:43 PM

I've toyed with the idea of creating a "competition" where all the parts had to follow a certain theme-for example, you can only build with items that have free shipping. Or maybe you can only build with items that have mail in rebates. Or maybe volume discounts. Y'know, mix it up a bit.

Yes, I'm crazy.

*builds this system EXACTLY and puts it up on ebay for $0.99, then links it*

I win. :D 

Yeah, it's cheating, I'll give you a real attempt later, but hey, I had to do that.
February 23, 2007 4:24:59 PM

Quote:
I've toyed with the idea of creating a "competition" where all the parts had to follow a certain theme-for example, you can only build with items that have free shipping. Or maybe you can only build with items that have mail in rebates. Or maybe volume discounts. Y'know, mix it up a bit.

Yes, I'm crazy.

*builds this system EXACTLY and puts it up on ebay for $0.99, then links it*

I win. :D 

Yeah, it's cheating, I'll give you a real attempt later, but hey, I had to do that.


No, that's legit to build it on ebay and sell it for $0.99. PM me when you do, I'll be the first "BUY IT NOW" bidder. :) 
February 23, 2007 4:31:17 PM

You added vista in the build..he said he needed WinXp Pro and it had to be reinstallable aka..not OEM.
February 23, 2007 4:37:57 PM

Quote:
You added vista in the build..he said he needed WinXp Pro and it had to be reinstallable aka..not OEM.


I think that even though Dell lists it as an "reinstallation DVD"... it's still OEM. I think their term "reinstallation" means... we give you a DELL disk with the computer in case you need to "reinstall" it on the same exact PC. They're tricky like that!

Also, this is not for my build or anything... strickly a contest and to see how much we could save to build the same system.

Vista is an upgrade to XP... (we'll depending on who you ask) so that is fine. Not sure of the price difference though... I'll leave that to the contest.
February 23, 2007 4:54:19 PM

hmm well you did say exact so Ill still stick with WinXp Pro since it runs better but Ill go OEM on this one. That knocks off $130 bucks. Ive edited my setup.
February 23, 2007 5:01:53 PM

Quote:
You added vista in the build..he said he needed WinXp Pro and it had to be reinstallable aka..not OEM.


I think that even though Dell lists it as an "reinstallation DVD"... it's still OEM. I think their term "reinstallation" means... we give you a DELL disk with the computer in case you need to "reinstall" it on the same exact PC. They're tricky like that!

Also, this is not for my build or anything... strickly a contest and to see how much we could save to build the same system.

Vista is an upgrade to XP... (we'll depending on who you ask) so that is fine. Not sure of the price difference though... I'll leave that to the contest.

That is correct it is reinstallable only on the hardware it was sent with and the installation checks to seeif you have Dell hardware as well. My son's roomate in college had a PSU failure and replaced his motherboard, CPU and hard drive with non-dell parts and couldn't use his Dell installation disk for the OS.
February 23, 2007 5:08:17 PM

Quote:

Build a system as close to Dell specs as possible and lets see how much Dell is pocketing over a Do-it-yourself person.

Dell is pocketing much much more than just the difference between the parts list. They buy in bulk and get big discounts. Its not the same in just building it from retail parts. Especially w/ the OS, graphics cards, and processors. probably RAM too.

I find its hard to beat Dell on the low-end (in regards to strict dollar amount), but its easier to beat on the high end (as others have proved already).
February 23, 2007 5:16:04 PM

So far, GeminiReaper has gotten it down a full $1k, or 28% less, than Dell. 8O

Can anyone else do better?

I do see one glaring opportunity... and I think it's because people give too credit to Dell for getting better versions of the same hardware...
which we all know they don't.
February 23, 2007 5:19:51 PM

Quote:

Build a system as close to Dell specs as possible and lets see how much Dell is pocketing over a Do-it-yourself person.

Dell is pocketing much much more than just the difference between the parts list. They buy in bulk and get big discounts. Its not the same in just building it from retail parts. Especially w/ the OS, graphics cards, and processors. probably RAM too.

I find its hard to beat Dell on the low-end (in regards to strict dollar amount), but its easier to beat on the high end (as others have proved already).

Yeah, no doubt. But the best we can do, as consumers, is build ourselves. Newegg buys in bulk too... but probably just a fraction of what dell buys.

This is why I also picked a upper-midrange system for the competition... just to see how much they are gouging the gamers and power users.
February 23, 2007 5:31:26 PM

Oh I can go cheaper...i just wont bring myself to suggest such horrible parts. I could save about 100 on the PSU, save another 30 or so on the Mobo, I can definately go about $40 cheaper on the case. So technically I could knock off another $170 bucks but being a system builder and will have to run tech support to those I build for I cannot bring myself to go cheaper not even for $5!!
February 23, 2007 5:31:52 PM

Dell is SOOOOOO beatable on the high-end and even the mid-range systems... the $399 and $499 systems... those are the ones that would give people on this forum fits. I highly doubt Dell is paying that same price for Windows OEM licenses like we do from NewEgg and that definitely tilts the tables in their favor.
February 23, 2007 5:35:45 PM

Quote:
CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 620W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139002 *this is all the power you need...amazing PSU


I saw the power supply you suggested and I just had to say "Hell yeah!" I own one too, and it is amazing. I chose it over the 620 Watt Enermax.

P.S. Those systems posted above are pretty good, but what the hell is the deal with the no-name RAM? I'd suggest Corsair or Mushkin. 8)
February 23, 2007 5:38:05 PM

Quote:
Oh I can go cheaper...i just wont bring myself to suggest such horrible parts. I could save about 100 on the PSU, save another 30 or so on the Mobo, I can definately go about $40 cheaper on the case. So technically I could knock off another $170 bucks but being a system builder and will have to run tech support to those I build for I cannot bring myself to go cheaper not even for $5!!


Nobody's going to build this rig... so go for it man. Let's replicate this Dell rig, to the best of our abilities to see all the $$$ savings.

So next time someone says, "cheaper to buy or build?"... we can say, "part for part... you can save XX-XX% on mid to mid-high end systems."

And this system isn't even ubber highend... a fairly standard gaming rig.


PS-
Just put a disclaimer on your post to avoid customer complaints :wink:
February 23, 2007 5:39:33 PM

Quote:
CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 620W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139002 *this is all the power you need...amazing PSU


I saw the power supply you suggested and I just had to say "Hell yeah!" I own one too, and it is amazing. I chose it over the 620 Watt Enermax.

P.S. Those systems posted above are pretty good, but what the hell is the deal with the no-name RAM? I'd suggest Corsair or Mushkin. 8)

No-name Ram because we're replicating the Dell system specs...
February 23, 2007 5:48:15 PM

:oops:  Oops, sorry. I missed that. :lol:  I skimmed through the posts and thought the objective was to out-do Dell (Performance wise).
February 23, 2007 5:51:01 PM

Gskill isnt really no name..they are just foreign. I have Gskill in my system and it runs great. No need to adjust voltages out of the box unlike some corsair I know. Normally Im a corsair guy but between the price and the solid reviews I gave this stuff a shot and it works great. If you arent going insane OCing this will do fine. Ive had friends get it to 450mhz. Its actually a pretty nice setup. Comes with heat spreaders also.

Ok lets go cheaper Ill revise my list and edit my post.
February 23, 2007 5:51:52 PM

Quote:
:oops:  Oops, sorry. I missed that. :lol:  I skimmed through the posts and thought the object was to out-do Dell (Performance wise).


No problem... as the DaSickNinja showed in his post... for about the same price you can get major upgrades.

But this isn't so much about performance... just about $$$ saved building the same rig.
February 23, 2007 5:52:43 PM

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Total Cost after rebates $2718.21. Shipping is included.
If i left something out yell at me.
February 23, 2007 6:06:02 PM

Slightly OT, but I just went and configured a bottom of the line Dell for the hell of it and tried to beat it.

And I did!

By an AMAZING $6.09. ($359 to $352.91) I know, I know. It's a helluva lot.

Technically the shipping kills me, at $35, but if you change the 80GB hdd in each build to a 160GB drive (and who in their right mind would get an 80GB?) then Dell charges you $40 so I'm ahead even more.

And yeah, everything's exact-even including Vista Basic.

How about THAT?
February 23, 2007 6:10:31 PM

OK so I made the changes really to make it budget. I switched out cases...I didnt go the very cheapest because most high end dells have slightly appealing lookign cases. Went from the high end corsair PSU to a broadway. went from the gigabyte mobo to a lower end ECS and dropped the ram down to the ddr2667.

Total after rebates and shipping is now 2408.06 You can see my changes in my original post.
February 23, 2007 6:12:42 PM

I believe, in most cases, it is cheaper to build your own system. Especially if it's a high-end system. However, there have been quite a few times where Dell (as well as HP) have sold mid-range systems cheaper than what you could build them for, assuming you're buying parts from Newegg. Now where Dell has the biggest gain over self-built systems is in their "bundled software". If you figure up the cost of the bundled software, it would in most cases be close to $500, and once you compare the hardware costs, you're pretty much getting the software for free.


On the other hand, it's agruable that you have to buy software anyway...but again, that's "arguable". :twisted: :lol:  8)
February 23, 2007 6:21:04 PM

Quote:
LITE-ON 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Black IDE Model LH-18A1P-186 - Retail
Item #: N82E16827106043

Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-BA Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811166004


Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136012

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136073

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130072

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 70SB073A00000 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
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Broadway Com Corp Okia-black-650 ATX 650W Power Supply - Retail
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Logitech Z-5500 505 Watts 5.1 Speaker - Retail
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Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard - Retail
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Logitech G5 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Mouse - Retail
Item #: N82E16826104191

APC BE650R 650 VA 390 Watts UPS - Retail
Item #: N82E16842101003

Transcend JETRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model JM2GDDR2-6K - Retail
Item #: N82E16820208246

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128012

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115003

Microsoft Windows XP Pro SP2b 1pk w/Upgrade Coupon for Vista - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116175

McAfee Internet Security Suite 2007 - Retail
Item #: N82E16832284011

Thermaltake CL-P0370 92mm Enter CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835106085

subtotal $2,414.84
shipping $88.22
Mail in rebates - $95.00

Total: $2408.06
Hell for another 600 you can throw in a Quad core and stay under budget.


I wouldn't recommend a UPS only capable of handling around 390 watts if you got a 650watt psu. If you even hit 85% on the psu and the power dropped, that wouldn't be a good thing. If anything, it would drain real quick, if it even held the system up at all. I'd advise trying to match the psu and ups as far as the wattage they put out or handle, at least closer anyways. Just my 2 cents.

Dell didn't match on their quote either though, but two wrongs don't make a right, hehe. Stability is important IMHO. :-)

-- MaSoP
February 23, 2007 6:24:21 PM

Its stable just as long as the power doesnt go out :p . I know many people that get UPS just to keep a standard voltage going through there PCs a UPS is a much better surge protector than your standard surpressor. Also It will still work with brown outs which are more dmging than your standard blackout. For those 2 purposes alone the UPS i have selected does its job. He wanted the cheapest like build and I gave it to him.
February 23, 2007 6:41:44 PM

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Its stable just as long as the power doesnt go out :p . I know many people that get UPS just to keep a standard voltage going through there PCs a UPS is a much better surge protector than your standard surpressor. Also It will still work with brown outs which are more dmging than your standard blackout. For those 2 purposes alone the UPS i have selected does its job. He wanted the cheapest like build and I gave it to him.


This is true, to the point. :-) I was trying to put together one myself, but only got it to $500 under the Dell which is about $1100 over your quote, lol. I'll keep working it tonight, hehe.

-- MaSoP
February 23, 2007 6:50:47 PM

Looks like ya forgot the Logitech 5500's Ninja. Of course, these can easily be added into the budget with some of the adjustments you already pointed out.
February 23, 2007 7:05:44 PM

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OK so I made the changes really to make it budget. I switched out cases...I didnt go the very cheapest because most high end dells have slightly appealing lookign cases. Went from the high end corsair PSU to a broadway. went from the gigabyte mobo to a lower end ECS and dropped the ram down to the ddr2667.

Total after rebates and shipping is now 2408.06 You can see my changes in my original post.


I also noticed you swapped out the Fatality version of the sound card. I was wondering if you'd spot that... Dell was just offering the plain vanilla version.
February 23, 2007 7:15:25 PM

dumb thread - price it yourself at newegg! your not factoring in, all the ad money that dell gets from the junk software they add!

dells sucks! first thing u need to do if you buy a dell is wipe the drive and reload windows.
February 23, 2007 7:29:55 PM

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dumb thread - price it yourself at newegg! your not factory in, all the ad money that dell gets from the junk software they add!

dells sucks! first thing u need to do if you buy a dell is wipe the drive and reload windows.


Lol- no dell fanboys here. Just trying to have some fun on a Friday with a game/challenge to all the builders out there.

I'm guessing you're not going to play? :cry: 

BTW - totally agree on the software. The software "bundles" are even worse than useless... often spyware/spamware heaven (what would I ever do without Nero asking me to upgrade every 10 days).

At least now they give the option to "opt out" of ISP software during the build... but you still need to opt out.
February 23, 2007 7:38:41 PM

And I thank you for the challenge. Its kept be busy. Not much going on after the daily checks of all the various backups on all of our serves, event logs, firewall logs, yadda yadda yadda. Something to do as a destroy some old windows builds, data scrub them then load redhat.
February 23, 2007 7:41:58 PM

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And I thank you for the challenge. Its kept be busy. Not much going on after the daily checks of all the various backups on all of our serves, event logs, firewall logs, yadda yadda yadda. Something to do as a destroy some old windows builds, data scrub them then load redhat.


Wait, you mean you're the only IT guy in the US that doesn't spend 80% of his work hours playing World of Warcraft. :lol: 

(for the record, I'm not in IT... I just know a bunch of folks that are).
February 23, 2007 7:56:52 PM

One thing to consider is the fact that the Dells can't be overclocked, so you can equal the performance of the E6600 with a E6300 or a 4300 easily. I know the post is about the "same" machine, but what about same (or even better) performance?.
February 23, 2007 8:25:09 PM

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Here's the challenge, beat this system using the same specs (where available) without putting junk into the computer (e.g. mobo, ram).

PROCESSOR: Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6600 (EXACT)

SYSTEM DETAILS 7-slot, BTX design motherboard



This combination of items may be difficult to match. I was just kicking around Intel's website, and their motherboard selector guide returns a big fat "0" when asked for BTX motherboards supporting Core 2 Duo. If Dell has any such motherboard, it's exclusive to them :( 

That said, there aren't that many expansion cards in the system spec. There's no reason you couldn't use a micro-BTX board, say an Intel DG965MQ in a Thermaltake Tuba case if BTX is for some unfathomable reason important to you ....
February 26, 2007 11:25:46 AM

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Wait, you mean you're the only IT guy in the US that doesn't spend 80% of his work hours playing World of Warcraft. :lol: 

(for the record, I'm not in IT... I just know a bunch of folks that are).


Nope I play Vanguard at home however none of the PCs at work would even remotely handle this beast. My current system will lag when I walk into a town (I have it on maxed out settings)
February 27, 2007 3:52:21 AM

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So most people claim that you can save a ton by building... we'll lets put your money where your mouth is!!! :D 

Here's the challenge, beat this system using the same specs (where available) without putting junk into the computer (e.g. mobo, ram). I've put a "EXACT" next to the items that must be exactly the same.


WARRANTY AND SERVICE 1Yr Ltd Warranty and At-Home Service


FREE SHIPPING


What is the value of the warranty and service?

I have yet to see a single post that included warranty and service as part of the build your own computer.


Now I know Dells' computer service may not be up to snuff in the opinion of many people, but the warranty and service does have value.

In my experience, warranty can be a huge cost.

My personal Pent4 died within 60 days of purchase. Dell's Indian technicians troubleshooted the problem in under 30 minutes (surprise surprise, as I would think it would have taken them 3 days to trouble shoot such a problem) and the next business day a gentleman was visiting my business to replace the Pent. He brought a Mother Board with him just incase the Indian tech had made an error. Didn't need the Board, the chip really was bad.

This little service costs $. Especially since I am 90 miles One Way from the tech's office. Dell's warranty does not stipulate my distance from their service technician. I could be 290 miles One Way and the warranty value remains the same.


I have owned and do own computers from other vendors.

Power Supplies have died. On/Off switches have died. Mother Boards have died (lightning strikes not mentioned to the service tech will do that to a mother board). HD's have died. CD/DVD drives have died.

If you play with enough computers, odds are something will happen eventually. Some of it will be legitimate warranty claims. Some of it will be the mother board fried by lightning strike that just happens to not get mentioned as the cause of the failure.

This stuff doesn't happen to every computer. But it does happen.

So how much are you going to charge for your warranty? Beating Dell by xy% is not much consideration if I the consumer is stuck high and dry with a dead computer.


While we are at it, shipping costs need to be included in every build. Dell includes shipping costs in the OP's build. Use UPS Zone 5, DAS, Residential, insured $3000 as your estimated shipping costs.

(UPS Zone 5 is about 1000 miles, DAS=Delivery Area Surcharge for suburbs, Residential is self explanatory, as is insurance)

UPS Zone 5 is the business standard for average shipping costs.

UPS Zone 8 is the value that Dell etc use for published .... impress the customer.... shipping costs.

For a 40 lb computer, Zone 5, fully insured etc the standard published UPS shipping costs are about $37. Uninsured under $21.

And one last thing, let's not forget that fancy packing box with extruded styrofoam liners. The liners alone could cost $15, the box (if double wall 250lb burst) could cost $3 when purchasing at 1000 units.

Bottom line, be fair, truly fair when computing your costs.
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