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February 23, 2007 5:02:32 PM

Like the title says, I have never built a system before. I have my step father who works as a lead field guy for Unysis, so I have help putting it together.

I have idea if all this works together, or if I am forgetting anything, is this even compatable?

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FORGOT TO MENTION I BOUGHT THIS MY MY CURRENT SYSTEM AND PLAN TO PUT THESE 2 1 GIG SIMMS IN MY NEW SYSTEM:

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February 23, 2007 5:21:43 PM

Okies

Right for starters it'll proberly be a good idea to find out what you plan on using the computer for and what your actual budget is. Few things I can think of the top of my head is why the VGA cable when you've bought a TFT Monitor with DVI output?

Another option is there any particular reason for going for AMD & ATI over Intel & Nvidia?

Why do you have a SATAII controller? (There is 6 (Six) Sata portsalreadt on the mobo?

BTW unless you really need the extra few seconds which doesn't justify the price get a few cheaper HDDS. Avoid the hype about raptors good drives
February 23, 2007 5:45:09 PM

Basicly, I am clueless, my current system is 3 and 1/2 years old, and I bought it direct from ABS. I am looking for a gaming system, I play Vanguard currently, and it's a graphics monster. My current system with my FX-51 and 9800XT gets about 20FPS in the second to lowest setting, I want to run this game in high quality, mind numbing graphics.
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February 23, 2007 6:06:18 PM

Egad! Toss those 1650s. A single 1950Pro or XT, or a 8800GTS 320mb is a much better choice. Seeing as you want excellent graphics, that'd be the 8800GTS. If your budget allows, you could even go up to a GTS 640mb or GTX. Crossfire/SLi is only for use with the absolute best (8800GTX) otherwise it's better to get a single card. Faster and cheaper.

And I echo everything else Chris said.

Instead of the AMD board and CPU, you'd be better off with something like a Gigabyte 965P DS3 and Intel e6300 or e6600.

Oh, and that Corsair memory is DDR. You'd need DDR2. Some decent quality DDR2-533 if you will never ever overclock, or DDR2-667/800 if you'll think about overclocking sometime. Which I highly recommend, especially for the e6300.
February 23, 2007 6:11:36 PM

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Basicly, I am clueless, my current system is 3 and 1/2 years old, and I bought it direct from ABS. I am looking for a gaming system, I play Vanguard currently, and it's a graphics monster. My current system with my FX-51 and 9800XT gets about 20FPS in the second to lowest setting, I want to run this game in high quality, mind numbing graphics.


Alright

Motherboard, Ive not to much knowledge about current trends so look a few up

CPU

Graphics card

PSU

HDD

Ok well there s a few recommendations. If you time take a read of these forums to learn more about computer parts lots of helpful and intelligent people on here.

Edit realised you need new memory

Memory Ive tried and tested quite good. But as I say read reviews / forums and learn :) 
February 23, 2007 6:48:53 PM

First of all whats your budget?

You would get better performance out of an Intel system.

And getting 2x any card is worse than getting one higher end card. You should get a X1950pro (about $180), X1950XT (about $215), or 8800GTS 320Mb ($300). What ever fits your budget.
February 23, 2007 7:43:47 PM

My budget, is my poker money I have saved up..about 1600.00

I am going to try and start all over again and see if I can get something going. I would really welcome some systems put together here on the boards, or builds that someone else have used.
February 23, 2007 7:49:19 PM

You wont get it from that system. Im playing vanguard also and I have it set to max...I do get like 35-50fps but when I hit a city i still lag a bunch. My system is a tad bit more beefy then the setup you propose : my setup

C2D E6600
2GB DDR2 800
eVGA Nvidia 8800GTX
Gigabyte 965P-DS3 Mobo
Western Digital 160GB Serail ATA 3.0GBs 16mb cash.

Came to about 1600. But like the other person said..you bought a VGA cable for a DVI monitor. Dump the 10k RPM hardrive my HD actually has faster seek times and slightly slower write times (you wont tell the difference) and only costs me $62. If you could specifiy a budget Id be more than happy to build you a nice rig on paper.

**edit just seen your budget. Let me work some magic and Ill have a solid build for ya.
February 23, 2007 7:52:55 PM

Going on advice here (thanks alot for all the replys) here is what I have come up with so far:

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February 23, 2007 8:42:11 PM

Its getting there. Gave it a quick glance as im running out the door. You probably want this hard drive 16MB cache.

hard drive

Look at a bigger power supply. Personally just built a core 2 duo with this supply. Love the modular cables. Needed the short cable option they offered as it was for Thermaltake Lanbox

Silverstone
or
I have this one for another rig.
Seasonic

Others will give you some other choices as well. Think Seasonic has a modular cable unit as well.

I'll check back later to see how your progressing. Good luck.
February 23, 2007 9:15:09 PM

How do you like this, bigger harddrive, video card , powersupply and monitor plus faster ram all under your $1600 budget.
.
XCLIO Windtunnel $114.99
(your choice)
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 $122.99
(Why did you choose a micro atx ?)
EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB $389.99
(The GTX is too much for your budget)
SILVERSTONE ST50EF-Plus ATX 12V 2.2 500W PSU $99.99
(strong PSU with great quality, the bigger silverstone 600 recommended above would be better)
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz LGA 775 $169.00
(saving money with less overclocking stress other parts)
G.SKILL(2 x 1GB) DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) CAS4 $184.99
(Cas 4 vs. Cas 5,but your choice is ok to save a little)
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
(more Gigs per $ and also fast) $89.99
Acer AL2223Wd Black-Silver 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD $289.99
(lower reaction time and bigger screen)
Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 SP2b w/Upgrade Coupon for Vista - OEM $109.99
(XP home only upgrades free to Vista Basic, XP Media upgrades free to Vista premium )
Scythe Ninja SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU Cooling Fan $39.99
(Great heatsink that is also quiet. )
New Egg Subtotal: $1,611.91
Their is a $30 rebate on the video card that brings this under your $1600 budget.
February 23, 2007 10:08:32 PM

I was going on the person's above parts he linked in, as I said, you could say your build is gold, and I would stake a claim, I just don't know enough to have an informed decision yet.
February 23, 2007 11:04:32 PM

Back to see how you are making out. Looks like Fox put together a nice rig, but you need to ask yourself how comfortable you are with over clocking. The E4300 is extreamly easy to overclock as it has such a low FSB. So if you have never overclocked this would be an excellent chip to start with and many people on this forum can help you when the time comes. But if you are dead against overclocking then you can look at a faster chip for more money, then getting rid of the cpu cooler and lowering your GPU to the next step down, the 8800GTS 320mb. Which should keep you in budget.
February 23, 2007 11:44:30 PM

Ok, another round of revisions, what about this build? Am I missing anything?

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February 23, 2007 11:48:32 PM

Over clocking, have never even tried. I will say, with clear instructions from everyone here, I might be willing to try it.
February 24, 2007 1:05:57 AM

Why do you need a 945G MB, most of the time you go that route if you have legacy parts. I would look for a good 965 MB with what you are looking for.
February 24, 2007 1:49:46 AM

Your spec shows a micro ATX board. Your case will take a full size atx board. Maybe look at this one.
Asus MB
Or do a little more research on boards a lot to choose from. But no sense going with a micro unless you are building with a SFF case.
February 24, 2007 2:33:10 AM

Ok changed the MoBo..anything else I need to do?

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February 24, 2007 1:20:27 PM

How does this look for a finial build?
February 24, 2007 1:38:05 PM

Ok so you are looking good. The last item I need to comment on is the extra case fans you picked. Checked out your case at the manufacturers sight and it is stating room for 120mm fans front and rear. You choose 80mm. THey may fit as well but i would go for the 120mm as they move alot of air at lower rpm which means they will most likely be quieter then the 80 mm. I'm sure you can find them for same price or close enough.
February 24, 2007 1:50:43 PM

One other thing to consider. The card you choose is bundled with
-Bundled3DGamePad
-BundledRestoreITv7.0andVirtualDriveProv10.0
Don't know much about those items. But you may consider this card from EVGA. It comes with a free game. Dark Massiah. Don't know much about the game either but EVGA game bundles are usually decent games. Cards are guarenteed for life and they have a good step up program.

EVGA 8800 GTS 320Mb
February 24, 2007 2:41:32 PM

The 2 case fans are included 120mm with the case. There were 2 other spots for smaller fans, so I picked the extras.
February 24, 2007 5:57:17 PM

No the two side case fans which are included are 250mm fans! They are frikkin huge. The open spots for the optionals are for 120mm fans Front and rear.
February 24, 2007 10:18:00 PM

Changed the Mobo out on some folks advice, how's it looking now?

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February 24, 2007 11:20:57 PM

Nice step up on mother board. If you think you need all the extras great. Now the only thing left to fix are those fans. Get the 120mm. Look this is right off the case product page on line.

COOLING SYSTEM
XCLIO TWIN 25CM COOLING FAN SIDEPANEL (5PCS BLUE LED LIGHTING)
FAN 01. – TARGETING MOTHERBOARD, AGP AND MEMORY RAM MODULE
FAN 02. – TARGETING 3.5’& 5.25’ BAY (HARD DRIVE, CD/DVD ROM & BURNER)

SIDE: 25CM X 2 (ON/OFF SWITCH, VR FAN SPEED CONTROL)
FRONT: 12CM X 1 (OPTIONAL)
REAR: 12CM X 1 (OPTIONAL)

Have a good build!
February 25, 2007 12:12:44 AM

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Basicly, I am clueless
RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't buy premanufactured! RESEARCH PLEASE!!!

SINCERELY,
~EVERYONE who is even REMOTELY "In the know!" about computer hardware!

Please realize too, half the people in forums have little hands-on knowledge!!! Take it with a grain of salt! Read PROFESSIONAL ARTICLES for info!
February 25, 2007 12:33:13 AM

Ok, another few modifications to the system. I think maybe, barring any special deals on a brand, the components are right. Anything I am missing here? Any brand changes that make sense?


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February 25, 2007 3:28:39 AM

If you don't OC, get rid of the EVGA nForce 680i board. SLI costs extra too and isn't necessary. Go with an ICH8 board and Intel's 965 chipset. Cheaper, and actually faster when it comes to things like USB etc.

Also, Lightscribe is crap. You can get a faster DVD burner for that price.

Drop the case too. $115 for SECC steel is way too much. Cheaper and suitable cases can be had. Put your money into solid internal parts, flash is for people with more cash or who care more about how it looks than how it performs.

I agree with going with Western Digital hard drives with 16mb caches.
You could also consider other monitors. I'm pretty sure that Samsung monitors are better than Acer, and for the same price I think. Shop around more on those.

Why all the case fans? Doesn't that case you think you want have some? I'm telling you, go with performance first. Just get a good solid system for your first build. Spend your money on things other than looks, then you know what quality is and won't waste your money on crappy parts. For instance, an LED fan might be nice, but if it makes too much noise and quits out on you, it isn't worth it. Buy quality first, and glitz when it comes down to a choice between two quality products.
February 25, 2007 5:12:11 PM

Everyone has an opinion. So keep that in mind. I think cases are personal so pick what you like. It is what is inside that counts. And all cases have pros and cons. But in the long run it is you who has to look at it. Fans are a couple of bucks...no big deal. I just didnt want to see you get the wrong size. And since the case fans are so huge they probably would be enough but they do have individual controls so you can run them anyway you want so for a few bucks on the optional mounts what the heck get them, as that was your original intent.
You could definately step down some on the motherboard. The 680i chipset is geared to the enthusiats who overclocks. My last build was with the Intel 965 chipset and it is solid.
I know nothing about Acer monitors, I have Samsung, but like JohnnyDough said research, find reviews, also customer reviews from newegg are helpful.
February 26, 2007 11:38:54 AM

I need a little help, because I am becoming a little confused on the motherboards. I have been told by some I don't need the EVGA 122-CK-NF68-TR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail because most likely, I won't be over clocking.

What are the differences between the 680i series and the next step down. What advantages do each hold?
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February 26, 2007 1:32:17 PM

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Ok, another few modifications to the system. I think maybe, barring any special deals on a brand, the components are right. Anything I am missing here? Any brand changes that make sense?


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You know, you are getting really darn close here. 1000% better than what you started out with. This is a top notch list that anyone would proud to own. From here, things people start picking on are going to be really trivial, and getting down to personal preference.
As for the board, it's a great board with more features than you need right now, but in 6 months....who knows? Maybe you might want to try your hand at overclocking a little, or maybe add another video card?
February 26, 2007 3:08:16 PM

Any suggestions on which is better,faster, and cheaper on the Monitor is very welcome.
February 26, 2007 4:05:23 PM

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Im not going to critique your system, because every poster is going to have a different opinion and parts list.
However, you there are much better, and faster monitors available at newegg for less money.


Agreed. We think you should find a cheaper LCD. I'll offer one, but...are you buy'n everything from NewEgg or no? Monitors could be seen as a seperate purchase...
February 26, 2007 4:07:59 PM

Tell you what. A list of 19" DVI monitors under 12ms response...
Go here:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_compare.php?topcat_i...
There's a list of monitors for about $170-$230.
If you search for DVI and <12ms on pricegrabber under the LCD monitor heading will yield some other results as well.

To each their own, but some criteria to look at when buying a monitor are:

Does it have HDCP? Here's a link about it from one of my favorite websites.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/hdcp-vi...

Contrast: There are lists of 500:1 ratios, but I try to aim for 700:1 or 1000:1. (means richer, darker blacks) 500:1 isn't bad, but it means more light leaks through and into your eyes. The picture looks a bit more faded and your games not quite as sharp. It usually means you have to find a good balance of brightness and vividness to get a picture you can live with.

Resolution: This is really up to you. If you want widescreen, go for it. The more pixels generally the better. Today's "standard" is probably 19"
Some might prefer a 20.something incher to get the WS. Remember that "bigger" is better, but not if another inch doubles the price, or results in bleeding (slow response time).

One more thing, speakers add to cost...and monitor speakers suck. I look for ones without them. Make sure you read any reviews you find, and search for some professional reviews online, like CNet or Tom's etc. Any info you find helps you weigh in your decision. Research is everything and the ultimate decision is yours alone to make. We ALL use different monitors. If there was ONE that truly was exceptional for the right price, we'd all be buying it.
February 26, 2007 4:28:46 PM

Nice. Go on the Asus website to see if it has HDCP for sure. "Vista enabled" means squat. :-P Make sure you check out Samsung monitors too, many could vouch for them (including me) as being some of the best available right now. I've owned two of them nearly a year and have 0 dead pixels.
February 26, 2007 4:41:46 PM

Some very good advice from other people that replied already. Here's my 4th system I just built this last weekend:

Intel® Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe Processor 2.4GigHz $317.50
eVGA e-Geforce 7600GT PCI Express 256MB GDDR3 Video Card $135.60
Thermaltake W0093RU TR2 Series 500W Power Supply $74.99
2 Maxtor 6V080E0 80GB SATA (3.0Gb/s) 7200RPM Hard Drive $101.42
in a RAID0 Array
Antec P180B Super Mid-Tower Case w 11 drive bays $129.99
ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (Digital Home) Motherboard $219.99
2 Gig Crucial Tech Ballistix BL2KIT12864AA804 DDR2-800 PC2-6400 $284.99
February 26, 2007 4:55:35 PM

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Some very good advice from other people that replied already. Here's my 4th system I just built this last weekend:

Intel® Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe Processor 2.4GigHz $317.50
eVGA e-Geforce 7600GT PCI Express 256MB GDDR3 Video Card $135.60
Thermaltake W0093RU TR2 Series 500W Power Supply $74.99
2 Maxtor 6V080E0 80GB SATA (3.0Gb/s) 7200RPM Hard Drive $101.42
in a RAID0 Array
Antec P180B Super Mid-Tower Case w 11 drive bays $129.99
ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (Digital Home) Motherboard $219.99
2 Gig Crucial Tech Ballistix BL2KIT12864AA804 DDR2-800 PC2-6400 $284.99


Not bad.
That PSU just wants a stronger vid card though. I'll bet you barely use half of it's available output. :-P
Not a fan of Maxtor HDD's.
Everything else looks great. Good reference build. If he doesn't plan on OCing that mobo is still a bit high end for him though. According to some reviews, anyone not OCing should look into ICH8 and Intel's 965 chipset.
February 27, 2007 3:46:51 PM

Ok, first off, thanks a lot folks for all the help, and I feel as if I might be even learning something!

I went over to Tiger Direct to try and build the system also. I upped the VGA a bit, and I think this build might be a winner..let me know what folks think.

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February 27, 2007 4:54:17 PM

Overall it's looking like a solid build. Why the EVGA 680i? That's an enthusiast board to the max. If you want to keep your options open for SLi, though, go for it. It's a great board. As long as you get the 640mb version of the GTS, that is- the 320 won't do for SLi.

Also, I looked on Tigerdirect, and apparently it's better to skip the MB+GPU combo and buy the board and card separately. The combo is $640-30, separate is $230-15+$400-30=$630-45. $25 cheaper after rebates. And, it's only another $10 to get the Superclocked version. For an extra 76 core / 300 mem MHz, that's definitely worth it.

So, thoughts about the board aside, you should probably buy them separately and get the Superclocked.
February 27, 2007 7:35:01 PM

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Overall it's looking like a solid build. Why the EVGA 680i? That's an enthusiast board to the max. If you want to keep your options open for SLi, though, go for it. It's a great board. As long as you get the 640mb version of the GTS, that is- the 320 won't do for SLi.

Also, I looked on Tigerdirect, and apparently it's better to skip the MB+GPU combo and buy the board and card separately. The combo is $640-30, separate is $230-15+$400-30=$630-45. $25 cheaper after rebates. And, it's only another $10 to get the Superclocked version. For an extra 76 core / 300 mem MHz, that's definitely worth it.

So, thoughts about the board aside, you should probably buy them separately and get the Superclocked.


I agree. TigerDirect has some good deals, but they are a little pricier than NewEgg and ZipZoom usually. Those are the two I buy from the most, followed by sites like CheifValue, TigerDirect, eWiz (newer), and others I've come to trust. It often comes down to who has the better service between the companies, but if you don't require their service I guess it doesn't matter. Most companies will let you RMA most parts for a short time, which is why you don't want to buy a part and then not use it right away to see how it works. Parts sometime either give out within their first month or work as intended, and it's easier to RMA than it is to pull out the old warranty.

Try to find a cheap motherboard (not too cheap) with the ICH8 controller and the 965 chipset. A board with these will suit your needs best I think.

I'm posting a ton of links right here from Tom's with motherboards and information to consider. Read up!

Pertaining to mobos:
This first one is especially for you...
http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/12/29/intel_ich8_ic9_previe...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/13/shootout_at_the_...
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/22/four_microatx__m...
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/13/amd_crossfire_xp...

More about Vista:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/

Do it yourself section of Tom's Hardware:
http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/howtodiy/

Hope that helps!

Not to confuse you more, but I'd switch out your PSU, your mobo, check other places than TigerDirect, and you can get 8800GTS's for $289 now.
Try to steer clear of the 80mm fans, even if you don't you can get them cheaper. You can find an even cheaper case as well. I thought the one I picked out was perfect for ya. :roll:

I use froogle, pricegrabber, and some of the main sites when comparison shopping. Pricewatch, etc...there are a ton of others too.

I also don't know if anyone answered your question about what OCing is. Overclocking (OCing) is running your components, namely your CPU, Memory, Graphics card at higher speeds (using more voltage) than what they are originally set at. OCer's take a risk of voiding warranties, wearing out parts sooner, and damaging components, but it often pays off. They can buy a cheap part and get speeds that equal those of more expensive parts. To do this, they often have to change out the stock cooling that comes with their parts, as pumping more electricity through a component results in more wasted energy which is dissipitated as heat. The average user can benefit from learning how to OC, but it can be a tad tricky to figure out and do right. There are many here who could try and help you with that once you get your build going. Most likely, the motherboard you buy will provide you with some small amount of overclocking abilities. My advice? Don't worry too much about it. It's often not worth the risk and requires a small but more depthy understanding of computers. The computer you build will be just fine. Overclocking tends to be more for rich speed enthusiasts and poor college kids. :-P
February 27, 2007 7:41:30 PM

I just realized I've been confusing two seperate new builder threads...so I'm going to link from one to the other in hopes that both new builders can benefit from advice given in both threads.

Here's the other thread, take a look Kolorean. Might help you out, as I believe some of what I wrote there may've been intended for you...
You'll see this same post reversed in the other thread.
Thread Link:
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Lady-help-WOW-f...
March 1, 2007 1:56:55 PM

I feel like I have been at it for months, but I have been taking everyone's advice, reading, play poker (funds), and using others ideas and builds.

This is what I have come up with, it involves me using parts from my ABS system, I am keeping the Case, it's Anatec, has 4 80mm Fans, room, and good air flow. I am also keeping my CD and DVD drive, as I can't see a reason to go and upgrade them. I am going to use the hard drive I have in, as the slave, to boot and use the OS (Windows Home XP). I don't want to try Vista yet. The main game I play has some Vista issues (Vanguard).

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March 1, 2007 4:10:56 PM

Any other opinions out there?
March 1, 2007 8:42:02 PM

Looks good. How much better is the 640mb card than the 320 really though? Is it worth $100? Nice to see you buying it all at once too.
March 2, 2007 12:59:09 PM

I went back and forth about it, but in the end, I figured if I am not running SLI, go with the bigger of the two. Does the Power Supply look ok? This is one area where I haven't been able to get a good grasp on what exactly I need, what's good.
March 2, 2007 1:06:26 PM

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/endus...*&p_li=&p_topview=1

There are rumors going around about that being a bit high. Find a quality PSU that has at least required 12-volt line rating and you'll be fine. Your 12v line is often the same as the 6-pin connector for your card. Some cards use molex in fact. Don't buy anything under 400w for sure.

Here's a piece of an article from CNet. I'll include the link below it.

To power a single GeForce 8800 GTX card, Nvidia recommends a 450-watt power supply in a PC with a high-end dual-core chip and a typical combination of internal hardware. But the trick is that the power supply must have two PCI Express card power connectors to plug into the two sockets on the back of the card. Most modern power supplies should have the necessary connectors. If you want to add two 8800 GTX cards in an SLI configuration, however, you've got a challenge on your hands.

Nvidia hasn't released a driver that will run the GeForce 8800 GTX in SLI mode as of the time of this writing, but it may have one out soon. Thus, we didn't get to test it, but Nvidia did share the power supply specs with us. To run two GeForce 8800 GTX cards in SLI mode, Nvidia recommends at least a 750-watt power supply. But some of the recommended models on its SLI compatibility list go as high as 850 and even 1,000 watts. We suspect those higher-wattage recommendation will allow you some headroom for adding multiple hard drives and optical drivers, as well as very high-end quad-core processors. Still, it's clear that building a next-gen SLI rig will be no small undertaking, at least for now. Heck, many midtowers PC cases are too small to accept a 1,000-watt power supply.
Quoted from: http://reviews.cnet.com/Nvidia_GeForce_8800_GTX/4505-89...
Retrieved 3/2/07.
March 2, 2007 1:30:21 PM

I have an Enermax Liberty 620w and another 500w one. They have 2 rails rated at 22amps. That's 44amps combined. That's actually rated a bit higher than what they can output I believe, but I'd feel comfortable running SLI with my 620w with a pair of 8800 GTS's in that SLI system, perhaps even GTX's if I minimized my hard drives and so on. Adding extra hard drives, lights, fans, etc...basically anything that uses the molex or sata power connectors will add to your 12v rail load. With just one card, a 500w PSU should be fine if it has at least 30amps on the 12v rail. In truth, 28amps might be enough, provided the PSU actually outputs 28, but many companies overrate their PSU's, or the rails can peak at that amperage but can't sustain it. 30 is likely a safe bet. The trick is to find a solid PSU by doing research on a likely candidate. Read a few solid reviews that measure the output on the rails over a period time. Another thing to note before I'm done is that the GTX requires TWO PCI-E 6 pin connectors (not molex but a 2x3 connector) However I believe that the 8800GTX should come with some sort of molex to PCI-E adapter. The Enermax Liberties are modular, and have 2 available colormatched 6 pin connectors you can use. As seen here...

(6pin connector) http://www.enermaxusa.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=1...

Hmm, not sure what that 8pin connector is for? Oh well, that was their newer Infinity PSU. Not real familiar with those.

Here you can see it on the Liberty that I have, plugged into the PSU end.
http://www.enermaxusa.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=8...
If you look underneath the red connectors you can just make out the stamped in letters "PCI-E" It's pretty hard to get them confused. Red goes to red, and everything that ISN'T a video card connects using all black connectors.

If you don't have enough power, you may get a short list of complications including but not limited to...application crashes, PC crashes, artifacts, visible lag in a game, etc. Having too little power supplied to an electrical component is actually more dangerous than having too much.
March 2, 2007 1:50:59 PM

So what do you think about the power supply I picked out:
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Is that enough, too close or plenty for the system. How about the brand?

Last question then I am placing my order.

The memory I picked out, good brand, fast enough, better options?
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