Intel/AMD confusion related to same dual core clock speed

[Vista_Nueva]

the Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz and the Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz both run at relatively the same clock speed, but i've heard that intel's multi cores are better than amd's multi cores.

HOWEVER, Intel=$512.00 while Athlon=$229.00 on newegg. i am willing to sacrifice a little performance if i know what im losing and get the cheaper one.

so basically which one do you recommend and why? thx

PS. i can still run SLI with an amd mobo right?

 

[jackxlj]

some amd mobos allow sli, but most hug the crossfire method. the price is similar,but the core2duo will wack away at it. If you are into games,and plan to OC go core2duo,cause you can OC it to the x6800 speeds,if you are into games,and dont plan to oc and arent on a tight budget go to core2duo for the performance vs the x2, if you dont game,or are on a tight budget,the X2 is a nice processor for the price, just not in the same league as the core2duo

 

[Hex]

The Intel 6700 out performs AMD's 5200+, but not too signifcantly. The real question you have to ask youself is, "Is $200 really worth an extra 20 Frames per Second?". If you're going for price to perfomance ratio (which I assume you are) then there is no doubt that the 5200+ will be your best choice. Also, the 5200+ will run any game you throw at it whether you run SLi or not.

 

[BaronMatrix]

the Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz and the Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz both run at relatively the same clock speed, but i've heard that intel's multi cores are better than amd's multi cores.

HOWEVER, Intel=$512.00 while Athlon=$229.00 on newegg. i am willing to sacrifice a little performance if i know what im losing and get the cheaper one.

so basically which one do you recommend and why? thx

PS. i can still run SLI with an amd mobo right?

I recommend the cheaper one (5200+) as they will both power SLI very well. More AMD boards are SLI than CrossFire.

Go for it!

 

[Hex]

The 5200+ is a good CPU but runs quite abit hotter, so you will also need to get a better heat sink and fan for the 5200+...

jack

The 5200+ may run "hotter" than the 6700 but it is NOT significant. It will run fine on stock cooling. The max temp for the 5200+ is about 75 - 80 degrees Celsius. On stock cooling at full load, the 5200+ will run at about 55 Celsius. In other words, it's not a big deal. Too many Intel fanboys think they have to have the CPU run at room temp. :roll: It's not a bad thing, it's just overrated and not necessary. However if you overclock, through the roof, you will need an aftermarket heatsink and fan for both Intel and AMD. :?

 

[Hex]

Uh oh, Jack is gonna cry. :lol:

 

[pmr]

I think it's fair to say this:

Well, first you can´t lean between those two just for the speed. With the new amd price cuts, performance is more or less similar between price comparing (except FX series).
Or either you compare the 5200+ with the E6400 or the new 6000+ with the E6700.
From these options, I'd say take whatever you want in within your price range if not overclocking, because they are more or less matched.

New 6000+ reviews:

http://legitreviews.com/article/463/1/

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/02/22/amd_athlon_64_x2_6000/1.html

ps: i'm not a fanboy

 

[gr8mikey]

I don't know how you feel about overclocking, but your best perfomance/value is to get and E6600 and overclock it to around 3 Ghz. You could overclock higher, but you should invest in a better cooler than the intel stock fan if you wish to do that.

The AMD 5200+ would provide you good performance to be sure, but the best value going right now is to take a lower end to mid range core 2 and do a mild overclock on it.

Toms recently did an article on Core2 overclocking if you would like to be informed on the kind of results you can expect.

Core 2 overclocking article

 

[Zorg]

This is a bit misleading, an E6600 will out perform an FX-62 which is faster than a 5200+, the only AMD CPU that performs at an E6600 level is the new 6000+ which has been recently publicized in those reviews...

Please do not make misleading and incorrect posts to casual users asking simple questions. This is ethically wrong...

At the original poster --- here are quick links to see all the data for yourself.... the E6700 significantly out performs the 5200+ just as the cheaper E6600 would do as well...

AnandTech- http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795
Bit Tech - http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/07/14/intel_core_2_duo_processors/1.html
ByteSector - http://www.bytesector.com/data/bs-article.asp?id=661
Chile Hardware - http://www.chilehardware.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=hardware_reviews&file=200607131
Club IC - http://www.clubic.com/article-36354-1-le-pentium-laisse-la-place-intel-core-2-duo.html
Computer Base - http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/prozessoren/2006/test_intel_core_2_extreme_x6800/
Digit Life - http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-core2-duo-e6600.html
Extreme Tech - http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1989036,00.asp
Firing Squad - http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_performance/
GD Hardware - http://www.gdhardware.com/hardware/cpus/intel/conroe/X6800_E6700/001.htm
GotFrag - http://hardware.gotfrag.com/portal/story/33492/
Guru3D - http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=185555
HardOCP - http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEwOCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
Hardware Secrets - http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/348
HardwareZone - http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/articles/view.php?cid=2&id=1980
Hardware.fr - http://www.hardware.fr/articles/633-1/express-core-2-duo-p965-vs-i975x.html
Hexus - http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6184
Hot Hardware - http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=845&cid=1
Legion Hardware - http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=569
Legit Reviews - http://www.legitreviews.com/article/362/1/
MadBox PC - http://www.madboxpc.com/contenido.php?id=2394
Mad Shrimps - http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=470
Maximo PC - http://www.maximopc.org/articulos/intel_core_2_duo_review_parte_1.html
NeoSeeker - http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/core2duo_e6700/
OCAU - http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=489587
OC Workbench - http://www.ocworkbench.com/2006/intel/core2duo/g1.htm
PC Perspective - http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=272
Phoronix - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=512&num=1
Planet X64 - http://www.planetx64.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=283&Itemid=14
Sharky Extreme - http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3620036
Sim HQ - http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_090a.html
Tech Report - http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/core2/index.x?pg=1
Tom's Hardware - http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/
Trusted Reviews - http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3161
TweakTown - http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/923/
Xbit Labs - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html

Uh, could you post some links to back up your assertions?

 

[Hex]

Please do not make misleading and incorrect posts to casual users asking simple questions. This is ethically wrong...

right...

Sorry Jack. Just because you have more posts than I, doesn't mean I'm going to let you "post bullie me". Take your "know it all" attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine.

P.S. I said the Intel 6700 would out perform the 5200+ by about 20FPS. Perhaps I should have said 20%, but it's fairly close.

 

[jackxlj]

wow...how did this thread dissolve into this?

 

[pmr]

I think it's fair to say this:

Well, first you can´t lean between those two just for the speed. With the new amd price cuts, performance is more or less similar between price comparing (except FX series).
Or either you compare the 5200+ with the E6400 or the new 6000+ with the E6700.
From these options, I'd say take whatever you want in within your price range if not overclocking, because they are more or less matched.

New 6000+ reviews:

http://legitreviews.com/article/463/1/

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/02/22/amd_athlon_64_x2_6000/1.html

ps: i'm not a fanboy

Actually based on this, and other review data --- the E6600 is the better compare...

Hang tight while I compile the data into one chart...

Jack

Well, I know the benches too. I was trying to be practical and give a match for each processor he mentioned.
I got an E6600 and I know it rocks 8)

 

[pmr]

wow...how did this thread dissolve into this?

It's normal having fights here because $1 or 2 seconds in a benchmark... :roll:

 

[jackxlj]

its easy to answer, I did in the simplest way possible,and BM was even polite though i think hes wrong, Jack was straight foreword, then it degenerated

 

[gr8mikey]

wow...how did this thread dissolve into this?

Somebody put a hex on it :lol:

 

[BaronMatrix]

This is a bit misleading, an E6600 will out perform an FX-62 which is faster than a 5200+, the only AMD CPU that performs at an E6600 level is the new 6000+ which has been recently publicized in those reviews...

Please do not make misleading and incorrect posts to casual users asking simple questions. This is ethically wrong...

At the original poster --- here are quick links to see all the data for yourself.... the E6700 significantly out performs the 5200+ just as the cheaper E6600 would do as well...

You definitely take this too seriously. I just , just, can't even think of anything to say.

To the OP, skip to the part where one is cheaper and both are gamer CPUs.

 

[jitpublisher]

Benchmarks, benchmarks, and more benchmarks. On paper, er on screen they all look very nice and impressive. Fact is, either of those processors set up in a rig running SLI will perform quite nicely. You won't notice any difference actually sitting in front of your machine gaming.
It's kind of like buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini. The Lamborghini is going to outperform the Ferrari, it should it costs more. But take them out on the freeway and open them up, what difference does it really make? Either car will be more than most reasonable people could ever want, or handle for that matter.
At this point in time and technology you will be happy with either one.
Just get what fits your budget.

 

[ches111]

Hex,

It is not so much a post bully thing rather a facts bully thing.

I can pick a single bench from a source that shows just about anything I wish.

I can pick a result for instance from an AMDZone comparison (we all know that those are fair and un-bias since the name fully implies that).

Hex,

Jack replies with careful because you are probably about to be schooled in a big way. It might even be humiliating.. Although it would be pretty hard to humiliate a poster that asks folks if they are going to cry...

Quality post there!!

To the OP. Save the 3600+ like jack said you are better off for the moment getting a lower grade C2D Core 2 Duo and overclocking it. The OC potential is phenomenal with the E4300.

But as jack has demonstrated please do not believe just the words we type but rather the links posted... Like these:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/cpuoverclocking/
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e4300_review/
http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-overclocking/
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/01/27/intel-core-2-e4300-and-e6300-processors-overclocking-test-reviews/
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2903

 

[BaronMatrix]

its easy to answer, I did in the simplest way possible,and BM was even polite though i think hes wrong, Jack was straight foreword, then it degenerated

So the 5200+ is not a gamer's CPU and isn't worth $229?

 

[BaronMatrix]

Hex,

It is not so much a post bully thing rather a facts bully thing.

I can pick a single bench from a source that shows just about anything I wish.

I can pick a result for instance from an AMDZone comparison (we all know that those are fair and un-bias since the name fully implies that).

Hex,

Jack replies with careful because you are probably about to be schooled in a big way. It might even be humiliating.. Although it would be pretty hard to humiliate a poster that asks folks if they are going to cry...

Quality post there!!

To the OP. Save the 3600+ like jack said you are better off for the moment getting a lower grade C2D Core 2 Duo and overclocking it. The OC potential is phenomenal with the E4300.

But as jack has demonstrated please do not believe just the words we type but rather the links posted... Like these:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/cpuoverclocking/
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e4300_review/
http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-overclocking/
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/01/27/intel-core-2-e4300-and-e6300-processors-overclocking-test-reviews/
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2903

The Brood speaks. Heed while you can.......

<insert ominous laugh>

 

[turboflame]

Please do not make misleading and incorrect posts to casual users asking simple questions. This is ethically wrong...

right...

Sorry Jack. Just because you have more posts than I, doesn't mean I'm going to let you "post bullie me". Take your "know it all" attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine.

P.S. I said the Intel 6700 would out perform the 5200+ by about 20FPS. Perhaps I should have said 20%, but it's fairly close.

Careful....




Why does this happen every time someone new asks an "AMD vs. Intel" question?

@ Hex, Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to flame away, Jack isn't a "post count bully", he has contributed a lot to the forums and I have learned a lot from him (well, what I understood anyway) so show some respect man.

@ Vista, AMD is competitive with Intel price for performance wise up to the 5200+, anything higher than that or if you plan on overclocking you should definitely go with Intel. So it depends on your budget and what you are planning to do.

 

[Heyyou27]

right...

Sorry Jack. Just because you have more posts than I, doesn't mean I'm going to let you "post bullie me". Take your "know it all" attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine.

P.S. I said the Intel 6700 would out perform the 5200+ by about 20FPS. Perhaps I should have said 20%, but it's fairly close.

Perhaps if you didn't use Quake 4 run at 1600x1200 as an example of CPU performance you'd be right, but in reality the E6600 is often faster than the X2 6000+ and if you're able to overclock, would dish out a serious beating to any AMD chip on the market.

 

[Sirfiroth]

the Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz and the Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz both run at relatively the same clock speed, but i've heard that intel's multi cores are better than amd's multi cores.

HOWEVER, Intel=$512.00 while Athlon=$229.00 on newegg. i am willing to sacrifice a little performance if i know what im losing and get the cheaper one.

so basically which one do you recommend and why? thx

PS. i can still run SLI with an amd mobo right?

Hey guys this is the question that was asked, remember.

We need to set up a permanent Jack vs Byron Thread for these two to flame each other on. I'm sure it would be entertaining for all, Tune in this week for the continuing saga!

FYI: Jack will always recommend Intel, and Byron will always recommend AMD



In answer to your question: IMHO The intel chip is the faster of the 2 because of architectural differences in the chips. The intel E-6700 is about 40-50% faster than the AthlonX2 5200. Either chip will play 95% of all games to an acceptable level. The E-6700 will play 100% of all games.
Hope this helps.

________________________
No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head. ~Terry Josephson

 

[ches111]

Sir,

I think you need to check your statement that Jack will always recommend Intel.

I have on many occasions seen him recommend AMD procs.

I will dare to guess that if Barcelona is the monster it is made out to be Jack and I both will be singing its praises and recommending it to folks. Of course that is when it makes it to the Desktop.

It is about performance for price not about AMD/Intel.

 

[jackxlj]

ive seen Jack,the other jack,not me, recommend AMD several times, and he is the most civil flamer i have ever seen... :lol: