Intel/AMD confusion related to same dual core clock speed

some amd mobos allow sli, but most hug the crossfire method. the price is similar,but the core2duo will wack away at it. If you are into games,and plan to OC go core2duo,cause you can OC it to the x6800 speeds,if you are into games,and dont plan to oc and arent on a tight budget go to core2duo for the performance vs the x2, if you dont game,or are on a tight budget,the X2 is a nice processor for the price, just not in the same league as the core2duo

I recommend the cheaper one (5200+) as they will both power SLI very well. More AMD boards are SLI than CrossFire.

Go for it!

Uh oh, Jack is gonna cry.

I don't know how you feel about overclocking, but your best perfomance/value is to get and E6600 and overclock it to around 3 Ghz. You could overclock higher, but you should invest in a better cooler than the intel stock fan if you wish to do that.

The AMD 5200+ would provide you good performance to be sure, but the best value going right now is to take a lower end to mid range core 2 and do a mild overclock on it.

Toms recently did an article on Core2 overclocking if you would like to be informed on the kind of results you can expect.

Core 2 overclocking article

right...



Sorry Jack. Just because you have more posts than I, doesn't mean I'm going to let you "post bullie me". Take your "know it all" attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine.

P.S. I said the Intel 6700 would out perform the 5200+ by about 20FPS. Perhaps I should have said 20%, but it's fairly close.

Actually based on this, and other review data --- the E6600 is the better compare...

Hang tight while I compile the data into one chart...

Jack

Well, I know the benches too. I was trying to be practical and give a match for each processor he mentioned.
I got an E6600 and I know it rocks 8)

its easy to answer, I did in the simplest way possible,and BM was even polite though i think hes wrong, Jack was straight foreword, then it degenerated

You definitely take this too seriously. I just , just, can't even think of anything to say.

To the OP, skip to the part where one is cheaper and both are gamer CPUs.

Hex,

It is not so much a post bully thing rather a facts bully thing.

I can pick a single bench from a source that shows just about anything I wish.

I can pick a result for instance from an AMDZone comparison (we all know that those are fair and un-bias since the name fully implies that).

Hex,

Jack replies with careful because you are probably about to be schooled in a big way. It might even be humiliating.. Although it would be pretty hard to humiliate a poster that asks folks if they are going to cry...

Quality post there!!

To the OP. Save the 3600+ like jack said you are better off for the moment getting a lower grade C2D Core 2 Duo and overclocking it. The OC potential is phenomenal with the E4300.

But as jack has demonstrated please do not believe just the words we type but rather the links posted... Like these:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/cpuoverclocking/
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e4300_review/
http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-overclocking/
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/01/27/intel-core-2-e4300-and-e6300-processors-overclocking-test-reviews/
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2903

The Brood speaks. Heed while you can.......

<insert ominous laugh>

Perhaps if you didn't use Quake 4 run at 1600x1200 as an example of CPU performance you'd be right, but in reality the E6600 is often faster than the X2 6000+ and if you're able to overclock, would dish out a serious beating to any AMD chip on the market.

Sir,

I think you need to check your statement that Jack will always recommend Intel.

I have on many occasions seen him recommend AMD procs.

I will dare to guess that if Barcelona is the monster it is made out to be Jack and I both will be singing its praises and recommending it to folks. Of course that is when it makes it to the Desktop.

It is about performance for price not about AMD/Intel.

just thought i would give my views on this subject. Why do we upgrade, answer is we want to go faster. Do i by this or do i buy that. Answer i myself buy the fastest regardless. why because if i buy the slower today because it's cheaper, i spend more tomorrow just to reach the speed you could have reached yesterday. It's simple the faster one will always last you longer before you feel the need to upgrade again, and spend more money.

that's my view, does anyone agree.

You have a good point.
For me the upgrade bug bites me every 6 months. It's not that I need to upgrade, but as somewhat of an enthusiast, it's the fun of upgrading that peaks my interest. I could not afford to buy the very best every six months, I like the fun of researching what is 6 months to a year old, and finding the best value for the buck.
Years ago you really needed the best lastest thing out, but todays hardware is extremely powerful compared to 5 or more years ago. Todays even mid-range hardware is plenty of horsepower for most software. There will always be that 1 new game that taxes even the newest hardware to the fullest on highest settings. But midrange hardware will still run it quite well if you just back a few of the settings down a little.
Anyhow that's the route I go.

this has been the most simple post to understand and the most helpful to me.

I've decided not to get athlon but instead intel but which chip OCs better without aftermarket cooling? E6600 or E6700

Nostromo's advice is not the best advice in every case. For example... why would you purchase the "top of the line" CPU if it is only 10% faster than its nearest competition, but costs 100% more? But, you go right ahead...

Maybe Jack should refrain from helping you out anymore. :?

So what have we learned today. I think the first thing of which may not have come across but may be an important lesson is that you cannot use clock speeds to compare chips. Within the same generation yes, but different companies and/or different architecture NO.
As for buying the most expensive chip, you will pay a premium for it. Generally a step or two below is the sweet spot. Which is I guess where you are looking as I haven't heard anyone suggesting the extreme edition at least.
And finally you should consider an upgrade path. How important to you is personal but for me I want to get some mileage out of my builds.

I'm not taking any sides, but I'm pretty sure you were the one that started the "bullying". Now if you want to get pissy with me... rant all you want. I've got nothing to gain from taking on someone that behaves in such a manner.

I can see your point to some degree. But you did say that you would buy the best at the time... Hence... your example could look more like this:

january 2007
i buy the best cpu at $500
why
because the other cpu is $300 and 10% slower.

january 2008
i need to upgrade
i buy this years best cpu at $500 dollars same as i paid last year for a slower chip and i have a 10% increase not bad.

So... now you just spent $1000 instead of $600.

not exactly.. jack will recommend the cpu thats best for the money. which many times lately is intel.

baron will recommend the amd processor thats best for everyone. regardless of price. or needs. or wants.

not exactly.. jack will recommend the cpu thats best for the money. which many times lately is intel.

baron will recommend the amd processor thats best for everyone. regardless of price. or needs. or wants.


No, if a person asks about AMD I tell them what they can expect. If they ask about Intel I tell them what they can expect. If they aren't sure I say toss a coin.
Either one will do the job unless you're a victim of penis envy and have to be able to get the highest clock. Word can only open so fast and the human eye can only see 60fps.
I would like to recommend half and half. I just hope AMD leapfrogs Intel so all of you can take all of these months of AMD abuse and jam them.


EMBRACE THE DUOPOLY!!

^^^ What he said.

If you want good advice and you don't know Jack, your screwed. 8O

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