X2 4200 or the e6300

[odet]

I've been looking at the x2 4200 for a while now but I recently heard that the e6300 is better. In canadian money at a local store I can get the X2 4200 for 200$ or the e6300 for 240$. The e6300 is 40 $ and has a slower clockrate (2.2Ghz Vs. 1.86Ghz). I've heard that the e6300 can overclock well, up to 2.5Ghz and ends up almost faster AMD's FX-62 in benchmarks. Thats with stock heatsink too, totaly stable. so for the 40$ more do you guys think it's worth it? Even at stock speeds the e6300 wins.
Heres the review I read: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=1
The only thing i don't like about this review is that it doesn't say how the overclocked AM2's do.

Please tell me the better features about the x2 4200 and the better features of the e6300 and which one results overall to being a better CPU.

 

[Sirfiroth]

I've been looking at the x2 4200 for a while now but I recently heard that the e6300 is better. In canadian money at a local store I can get the X2 4200 for 200$ or the e6300 for 240$. The e6300 is 40 $ and has a slower clockrate (2.2Ghz Vs. 1.86Ghz). I've heard that the e6300 can overclock well, up to 2.5Ghz and ends up almost faster AMD's FX-62 in benchmarks. Thats with stock heatsink too, totaly stable. so for the 40$ more do you guys think it's worth it? Even at stock speeds the e6300 wins.
Heres the review I read: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=1
The only thing i don't like about this review is that it doesn't say how the overclocked AM2's do.

Please tell me the better features about the x2 4200 and the better features of the e6300 and which one results overall to being a better CPU.

Intel E-6300 may have a lower clock rate but handles data at a faster rate than the X2-4200. The Intel is faster and over clocks better than X2-4200. If you are into over clocking the Intel E4300 over clocks better and is cheaper(not by much) than either of the CPU's you mentioned. Intel is proposing price cuts in April the E-4300 should be around $113.00 US

hope this helps
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[gemini119]

Not all of E6300 can overclock well.Only some of them can.
And if you want to overclock E6300,you must have a strong motherboard,it will cost you much,such as ASUS P5B PLus.
Considering the total cost,I think 4200+ is better.

 

[Uscooper]

Actually the E6300 @2.5ghz is a rather moderate OC. Many people have gotten 2.8 easily and 3+ghz on air. The 4200+ is a good processor also, and i know with the 3800+ (@2.0ghz stock), 2.8 isnt uncommon for an OC. Intel's C2D line currently does more IPCs (Instructions Per Cycle- refering to effeciency) than AMD (When Intel was using P4/PDs with netburst architecture, it was the other way around). What i mean is that clock speeds are only comparable within a family. At stock speeds, I would say an E6300 (1.86) and a Socket AM2 Athlon 64 x2 4600+ (2.4) are pretty comperable. So at stock the e6300 should beat the 4200+ The benefits of the C2D are shared L2, Good OC-ability, and currently more IPCs than AMD. Amd still has a decent chip, and their integrated memory controllet is still a plus in my book, decent OC, and right now good competetive price points. I dont think you can go wrong with either. My gf has the 4200+ and I have the E6300 and they are both great chips- just depends on if what you do on the computer I guess.

 

[Heyyou27]

If you're comfortable overclocking, I'd say the E4300 is the best choice for you. If not the E6300 and X2 4200+ would perform almost exactly the same.

 

[reconviperone1]

I have the x2 4200, today I played starlancer while I was pirates of the carribean2 to mpeg2, and the 6300 is even better. i say either way you win.
In the words od humpty(digital underground) "Do what you like!"

 

[reconviperone1]

I must admit hough, although i bitch about am2 processor lacking the power of core 2, I still prefer the variety of chipsets for amd.

 

[HotFoot]

Not all of E6300 can overclock well.Only some of them can.
And if you want to overclock E6300,you must have a strong motherboard,it will cost you much,such as ASUS P5B PLus.
Considering the total cost,I think 4200+ is better.

Your chances of NOT being able to get a e6300 to 2.5 GHz or more (where the C2D easily beats the FX-62 in most benchmarks) are very slim. I'm sure that there are quite a few that won't go past 3 GHz, but moderate overclocks are pretty easy.

As for the motherboard, you certainly don't need something as expensive as an ASUS P5B [Deluxe] (CAN$223). There's no reason why a cheaper board, such as the GA-965P-S3, (CAN$146) shouldn't reach up to and higher than 350 or 400 MHz FSB.

As others have said, if you want to use overclocking to get value for your dollar, then the e4300 is a good place to start. If I were getting a new system today, it'd be the e4300 with the Gigabyte or similar board.

As for overclocking the 4200+, I haven't found nearly as much information on that. I am trying to collect more data for the price/performance charts I make, so anyone that can provide links to overclocked 4200+ data would be appreciated.

 

[odet]

Ok i've got a motherboard for both of these tell me which you thinks better combo.

INTEL
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1585 < CPU
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1631 < MOBO

AMD
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1384 < CPU
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1358 < MOBO

AMD total: $390.98
Intel total: $383.98

Intel comes out cheaper, though for some reason I'm still pulled towards the AMD, what do you guys think?

 

[mrmez]

From what i understand... 6300 WILL win, check THG CPU charts?

ATM Intel have WAY more OC head room vs ATI.
Check the e4300 also. Its what im getting, and i intend to OC it like krazy.
The 4300 can also oc higher with slower ram vx 6300.

 

[odet]

Can you please tell me what the difference between the e6300 and the e4300

Thanks,

Odet

 

[HotFoot]

The difference is that the e6300 comes with stock settings for a 266 MHz front-side bus (FSB) and a CPU multiplier of 7, which gives a final CPU frequency of 1862 MHz. The e4300 comes with stock settings for a 200 MHz FSB and a multiplier of 9, for a CPU frequency of 1800 MHz.

The reason the e4300 should be easier to overclock is that you don't have to push your motherboard as hard to get the CPU frequency higher. The CPU multipliers are locked, so the only way to increase CPU frequency is to increase the FSB frequency. Sometimes the maximum overclock you can reach is limited by the motherboard, and sometimes it's limited by the CPU. With the e4300, you have a good chance of finding the fastest the CPU will go before your motherboard hits its limit.

 

[Sirfiroth]

From what i understand... 6300 WILL win, check THG CPU charts?

ATM Intel have WAY more OC head room vs ATI.
Check the e4300 also. Its what im getting, and i intend to OC it like krazy.
The 4300 can also oc higher with slower ram vx 6300.

The E6300 isn't on the THG CPU comparison charts .

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[Sirfiroth]

Can you please tell me what the difference between the e6300 and the e4300

Thanks,

Odet

The E6300 comes stock with 1066 mhz FSB. the E4300 with 800 mhz FSB.
If I am not mistaken the multiplier on E6300 is locked while the E4300 is not.
You guys correct me if I'm wrong.


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[HotFoot]

The E6300 isn't on the THG CPU comparison charts .

This is true, but if you want to see what I've compiled from a host of other sites, see this thread.

 

[odet]

Ok i've got a motherboard for both of these tell me which you thinks better combo.

INTEL
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1585 < CPU
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1631 < MOBO

AMD
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1384 < CPU
http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1358 < MOBO

AMD total: $390.98
Intel total: $383.98

Intel comes out cheaper, though for some reason I'm still pulled towards the AMD, what do you guys think?

Would I also have to upgrade my Ram? I have 1gb(512x2). one stick is pc3200 and one's pc2700. So the e4300 will be easier for overclocking because you only have to push the FSB up, no changing multipliers and such? I can just keep pushing the FSB up untill i get 2.5GHZ? The ONLY difference between the e4300 and the 6300 is that the 6300 starts out a little higher then the 4300? If so please reply thanks

**EDIT** oh someone answered my questions while i was typing this, ok. So all in all the e4300 is a better choice, would i have to change the multipliers or just simply increase the FSB, thanks

 

[HotFoot]

You can get motherboards that work with the new processor and old RAM. I believe Asrock has one. If you very much want to stick with your old DDR (vs. DDR2) RAM, then you might consider the AMD socket 939, but beware that no new processors are coming out for this platform.

 

[odet]

Yeah, i think going with a good motherboard that will still have CPU's coming out for a few more years to come would be a smarter choice...
So I'd have to get new Ram? I've seen onsale DDr2 512mb ram for 40$ so I geuss i should pick up two sticks of those. Now this may be a dumb question but i've heard different things about it so im just a little confused... now theres 2 Mem. slots on my MoBo, but on the newer ones theres 4, can you use all of those slots or only 2? like can you go 512x4 or what thanks? Don't know if you caught this other question,
"So all in all the e4300 is a better choice, would i have to change the multipliers or just simply increase the FSB, thanks"

 

[dragonsprayer]

Actually the E6300 @2.5ghz is a rather moderate OC. Many people have gotten 2.8 easily and 3+ghz on air. The 4200+ is a good processor also, and i know with the 3800+ (@2.0ghz stock), 2.8 isnt uncommon for an OC. Intel's C2D line currently does more IPCs (Instructions Per Cycle- refering to effeciency) than AMD (When Intel was using P4/PDs with netburst architecture, it was the other way around). What i mean is that clock speeds are only comparable within a family. At stock speeds, I would say an E6300 (1.86) and a Socket AM2 Athlon 64 x2 4600+ (2.4) are pretty comperable. So at stock the e6300 should beat the 4200+ The benefits of the C2D are shared L2, Good OC-ability, and currently more IPCs than AMD. Amd still has a decent chip, and their integrated memory controllet is still a plus in my book, decent OC, and right now good competetive price points. I dont think you can go wrong with either. My gf has the 4200+ and I have the E6300 and they are both great chips- just depends on if what you do on the computer I guess.

The above post is good - you can get 2.6-2.8ghz with 1.4v (asus probe real Vcore (voltage) is probably 1.37v +/- 0.2v) - with a $25 thermalright cooler with 1800 rpm fan (near silent) my e6300 is set for 385fsb @2.7ghz at 32c! Sure I could try for 3 ghz and crank up the volts - but why - its runs so much better then the am2 4200+ i have right here next me.

I just turned on stablity test the temp jumped to 34 c at 50% load at full load 100% on the task manager the temp is after 10 mins - 38c.

"not all e6300 overclock well!" lol you got documentation on this?

It could be true but i think you full of it. if you talking about 3-3.2ghz thats not how you set up systems. THg article on the e6300 beating the x6800, is decpetive, but as far as beating 4200+ no contest!

e6300 should run at 2.6-2.8ghz -if can not make 2.5ghz - ebay it!

Any e6300 will 2.5-2.6ghz any e6300 will beat any 4200+ if properly set up. These forums are tainted with amd IT fantics.


if you need help setting it up email me for free help!
http://www.warpedsystems.net/contactus.html

IFB (amti is always #2)

 

[HotFoot]

For any of the non-extreme processors, the multiplier is locked, so you can only increase speed by increasing the FSB setting on the motherboard.

As for the RAM, if you are looking to get two 512MB sticks then buy a matched pair and run them in dual-channel mode. Make sure the sticks are in colour-matched slots on the processor and during POST you should see a message like "dual channel interleaved".

As for having 4 slots, yes you can use them all. I started with 2x512 in dual-channel mode, and then I upgraded by adding another 2x512. My total number of channels is still two, but I have twice the capacity for running very demanding tasks. Getting whatever RAM you want now to fit in two slots is a good idea, so that later you can easily upgrade without throwing away your previous investment. Later on you can get 2x1024MB sticks for a total of 3GB, which is very respectable.

 

[gemini119]

My god.
In China,both P5B and 965-s3 are expensive for us.......

 

[dragonsprayer]

i believe its locked only 1 way - you can lower it but you can raise it above the default - just like the p4 560 etc.

 

[HotFoot]

This is true, but I don't know why you'd reduce the multiplier (it goes as low as 6 I think) in an overclocking attempt. Maybe you would if you wanted to stability test your motherboard's maximum FSB. In any case, I was careful to state that the only way to increase CPU speed on locked processors is to increase FSB, which remains true.

 

[odet]

Ok i geuss I'm convinced about going with an intel. My current is amd anthlon 2800+ and i have an Intel not sure what it is, there both clocked at 2.13GHz stock i have them both running at 2.26 and the Amd runs faster so thats why i was gonna stick with AMD. So i should go for e4300 and not pay 20$ more for the e6300? There both the same sockets, 775, so now for a motherboard. I thought the "Asus P5NSLI Conroe S775 NF 570 SLI" mainly because of the SLI, two PCI-E x16 slots. The video cards have to be identical correct? I don't think i said it earlier but I'm building this pc for gaming, games such as oblivion.
Heres what it is, from Newegg because they have more info about the products but it's not where i'm buying it from

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131032

Heres where im buying it from if you think i should get a different product then look here.

http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1631

 

[HotFoot]

Hmmm... I really don't know much about the performance of the nvidia 570i chipset. If it's rated for 266 FSB then it must do at least that, so you'll get an e4300 processor to 2.46 GHz at a minimum. That's pretty good power for games these days.

What video cards are you looking to put in SLI? Are you buying new ones or do you have the cards already? I think that at the moment, the best performance/$ comes from the higher-end single card setups. For instance, the x1950xt has a lot of power. On nvidia's side, if you're putting out enough money for sli then chances are you can afford an 8800 GTS if not the GTX variety.

Going with a single card has advantages. It should be cheaper to upgrade later, and you have a lot more flexibility in the motherboard selection. If you're able to consider a single GPU solution, then you can get a P965 board that will overclock much better than the 570i.