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I built my computer 2 years ago and it's time to upgrade, I want to get a new processor but I'm not sure if I'm on the right track. My motherboard is an Asus A8N-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce SLI ATX AMD. My current processor is AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Winchester 1.8GHz Socket 939. Would an AMD Opteron 148 2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 be compatible? If it isn't, what would be compatible? I really would like more than 1.8GHz..

I would truly appreciate any help or suggestions anyone would have.

Thank you

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Assuming this is the Opty...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103596

...yes it is compatible. From what I've read, they are great for gaming and overclocking.

-TyShoe

Reply to TyroneShoelaces

Thank you so much for your quick reply! The processor you linked to is the exact one I am looking at to buy. I love Newegg, I purchased all my parts from them when I built my computer.

I'm looking to get a new monitor, mine had fried and I'm using an old 15" crt that just doesn't do the job. What do you think of this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824116363

It's either that one or this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824001088


I've narrowed it down to these two but I'm not sure about the widescreen, if it's too much back and forth when playing games. I've read reviews where people have said it's just too much area to view. I am getting this video card, 2 of them.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150182

I wish I had known about this forum when I was building my computer! But now that I know it's here, I will be visiting a lot. There's a lot of good information here.

Reply to GamingGranny

I can vouch for the Samsung, it is a great monitor.

For processors, if you want to go all out:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103002

That's the top of the line, I think, AMD processor for socket 939. If you've got the cash to spare, could go pretty far.

For a monitor, I've heard that Hanns-G makes a good one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824254001

Reply to darious00777

Get an Opty 170! If you are going to upgrade, get a dual-core. I just got one and it's amazing! 8O It is very responsive and overclocks like their is no tomorrow. I bought mine from newegg for $193 and free shipping. You will not regret it and you will thank me for my advise. :D

Reply to AdamBomb42

As for the monitor... in my opinion I think it is better to spend a little more and get at least 20.1" if you go widescreen. The native res on 19" is 1440x900, and for 20.1" is 1680x1050.

If you play any games that don't support widescreen, it is best to play without scaling (centered output in nVidia settings). This keeps the game from getting stretched out and looking bad. The game will be displayed in the middle of the screen with black bars on the sides.

If you do this on a 19" monitor, you are limited to a max vertical res of 900 (1024x768 in most games). If you have a 1680x1050 monitor, you can play at 1280x1024.

Also, not too sure about that video setup. You can beat the performance of TWO 7600GTs with ONE 7900GS... for less $$$ (according to Tom's VGA Charts). For just a little more, you could get the 320MB 8800GTS.

-TyShoe

Reply to TyroneShoelaces

Darious, that's a sweet processor but I can't go that high for a processor with everything else I'm upgrading. I do like Samsung, the monitor I originally had was a Samsung flat panel and I loved it.

Adam, I do thank you for your advice and I will check it out. Not sure I can go that high in price though. When I built this I was hoping it would last longer than it has. I guess my mistake was getting an Apevia Chameleon (550w) power supply - it's clicking like crazy. I had to turn it down from high to low and it's still loud.

Tyrone, from my understanding the gts are faster than the gs cards. I'm still somewhat of a newbie so please forgive me if I have the wrong information. I really have been the impression the gts are faster. I'm off to check it out...

Thank you all!

Reply to GamingGranny

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Tyrone, from my understanding the gts are faster than the gs cards. I'm still somewhat of a newbie so please forgive me if I have the wrong information. I really have been the impression the gts are faster. I'm off to check it out...

Thank you all!




That may be true in some cases, but only when comparing cards in the same numerical series. When comparing the 7600 GT -vs- the 7900 GS, you are looking at 12 pixel pipelines -vs- 20 pipelines respectively. To your point, you could get a single 7900 GT for better performance over the 7900 GS, and STILL pay less than what you'd pay for TWO 7600 GTs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150216

Don't let the "cool-factor" of SLI trick you into believing that 2 is always greater than 1.

-TyShoe

Reply to TyroneShoelaces

Darious, that's a sweet processor but I can't go that high for a processor with everything else I'm upgrading. I do like Samsung, the monitor I originally had was a Samsung flat panel and I loved it.

Adam, I do thank you for your advice and I will check it out. Not sure I can go that high in price though. When I built this I was hoping it would last longer than it has. I guess my mistake was getting an Apevia Chameleon (550w) power supply - it's clicking like crazy. I had to turn it down from high to low and it's still loud.

Tyrone, from my understanding the gts are faster than the gs cards. I'm still somewhat of a newbie so please forgive me if I have the wrong information. I really have been the impression the gts are faster. I'm off to check it out...

Thank you all!

Reply to GamingGranny
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Processor should work out ok.
Samsung I also have, only thing is if you want widescreen
I like the monitor though a lot.
Regarding video.
One 8800GTS will outperform 2 7600 in SLI.
One 1950XTX/7950GTX might also(not sure to be honest).
I wouldn't really suggest the SLI though unless you just want to have it to say you do.
I wouldn't throw 280 down on those video cards when DX10 will eventually be out either.
Given if you don't plan on playing newer games/getting vista within 2-3 years then no worries.
You could keep that comp for older games and build a newer one for the newer ones and have your SLI machine murder the older ones.

Reply to will14

Wow, I'm more of a newbie than even I thought! I checked out the reviews on that 7900gt, I like it. If I can do what I want with one 7900gt and not 2 76oogts than that's what I will probably do. Then maybe I can add some cash for the processor.

Thank you..

Reply to GamingGranny

Will, the 8800gts are out of my price range right now and I don't think I'll be able to build another one in a few years (if at all). Hopefully this upgrade will last me for quite a while. I still have a lot of games to catch up on... LOLj

Reply to GamingGranny

You guys are all wonderful and I appreciate the support but I work nights and it's 2:30 pm here.. I'm off to sleep and will check in later..

Thanks ever so much!

Reply to GamingGranny
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Nighty-nite. Can't stress enough that you should consider a dual core processor a must. A 165 or 170 will work very well for you and you won't have to second guess whether you should have or not.

Reply to MISRy
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you cant put an opteron in a 939 socket.I would recomend an X2 3800+ (socket 939) processor.

Reply to dokron

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you cant put an opteron in a 939 socket.I would recomend an X2 3800+ (socket 939) processor.



You obviously do not know what you are saying. You are completely wrong. I have an Opteron 170 in a DFI LANParty mobo and it works great. Do some research before you make these kinds of claims.

Reply to AdamBomb42

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you cant put an opteron in a 939 socket.I would recomend an X2 3800+ (socket 939) processor.



Any 939 opteron will work in a 939 motherboard. Anyway, if you can afford it somehow get yourself the 165 opty. You could even overclock your current chip. I had the 3000+ winchester as well and I ran it overclocked @ 2.5ghz for a good while before I upgraded to my current setup.

I suggest the 170 over the 165 for better stepping hence better overclocking.

Reply to AdamBomb42

I'm back... I didn't hit and run, just had some busy days and I've been spending a lot of time on Newegg. I think I've decided on this processor.

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggI [...] 586-02.jpg

Video card

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggI [...] 216-04.jpg

My head is spinning a little but I want to thank everyone for their input and time taken to advise me.

I'm still checking out monitors, I'm really not sure I want a widescreen.

Can anyone tell me where I can a fan for my motherboard? I thought it was the fan on my psu that was clicking but after reading some posts on the same motherboard I have I'm thinking it could be that one. And if I don't have to buy a new psu, I'll be happy.

Reply to GamingGranny

I have this one on my 875 chip and it works great.

I can't tell which opteron it is from the pic.

Reply to AdamBomb42
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I have the same Motherboard, and I am upgrading it to the FX-60 (dual core, 2.6 GHz). Easily OC'ed to 2.8 (no volt increases), and can be gotten for under $250 on Tigerdirect with a combo. I suggest looking into them, but if they are still to pricey, an Opteron is the way to go. @ 2.8 GHz, an Opty or an FX-60 will be equivalent to about 80%-90% of a good Core 2.

Reply to EXT64

Tyrone, do I have to take the motherboard out to replace the fan or can I do it while it's still in the case? Is there any way to be sure that it's the fan on the motherboard and not the psu that's going bad? It's hard to detect where the clicking is coming from.

The links on my last post didn't work so I'm reposting them.

The processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103586

Video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150216


EXT64 Is it the motherboard you're upgrading or the processor?

Reply to GamingGranny
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Do you have intentions of overclocking the processor you're thinking of buying, if you do then the cpu you've decided on is a good choice, if you are clueless to overclocking and have no intentions of doing so, the processor you've chosen will not be your best option, it has everything to do with overclocking or not, and I'm kinda surprised no one has gone into detail about that to you.

Reply to 4ryan6

I am clueless about overclocking, I want to upgrade what I have without breaking the bank. So I guess I'm back to square one...

Reply to GamingGranny
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OK its obvious you're a gamer, the video card you've selected is pretty much a go for whatever gaming you're into, my concerns for you is since you're spending the money to upgrade the CPU and you're not overclocking, why would you not reach for the basically best available for your 939M/B, seeing as how the prices now are reasonable and have dropped from over the $1,000.00 mark to around the $350.00 mark.

Even if you have to spend a little more now, you won't be regretting it later and wishing you'd gone ahead and gotten the top of the line when you had the chance.

http://www.directron.com/amdat64fxtos.html

Besides Newegg, Directron is a great company to do business with and free shipping to boot on the CPU, this is the FX60 basically AMDs flagship socket 939 CPU, its a dual core which means you can open multiple applications at the same time, for example you can use Microsoft Word and burn a DVD at the same time, or convert music and burn a DVD at the same time.

Gaming is great with it because it handles background running applications while you're gaming eliminating unexplainable freeze ups and blue screens or crashes.

It is an OEM CPU, meaning it doesn't come with a cooling fan and if you're not overclocking you don't need an monster cooler and the suggestion below will work just fine.

http://www.directron.com/cmhk88i22aa2.html

The FX60 will blow you away in the performance category its twice as fast as your present clock speed, and twice the CPU Core you're presently running.

Your M/B may or may not need to be BIOS flashed to run it, but it isn't really that hard to do and I'll be glad to help you through it if it has to be done, it may not.

PM if you need help.

Whatever you choose to do, I wish you the best.

Reply to 4ryan6

I consider myself a gamer but until I get a new monitor I can't even play BIA, too many 'ghotsts' on this one. My Samsung 997DF 19" (crt) was gorgeous but it got wet and fried.

Okay - understanding is a bit clearer now, thanks for the explanations. The processor you linked to is similar to the Operteron 185 darious00777 linked to earlier in this thread. Same price but not OEM.

I really didn't want to spend that much but it's looking like everyone is right, so I'm ready to spend some extra to get the better performance.

Reply to GamingGranny
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Quote :

Okay - understanding is a bit clearer now, thanks for the explanations. The processor you linked to is similar to the Operteron 185 darious00777 linked to earlier in this thread. Same price but not OEM.



I looked for an FX60 retail boxed instead of the OEM, but the retail is more expensive if you even can find one.

The retail boxed CPU comes with a 3 yr warranty, the difference between the OPTY and the FX60 is the FX60s multiplier is unlocked.

The FX60 is stock at 2.6ghz with a 13X multiplier, I was able to run mine right out of the box with air cooling and stock CPU voltage at 2.8ghz by just changing the multiplier in the CMOS setup from 13 to 14.

Thats changing one CMOS setting and gaining 200mhz, without having to do another thing, I'm not trying to encourage you to overclock just educating you on the possibilities and the differences between the two CPUs.

A cpu with an unlocked multiplier is the easiest way to overclock a cpu, the most stable way, because all the other parameters are not touched, its literally the simplest overclock there is.

That option is there with the FX60, and even though you won't be overclocking, further down the road you may change your mind and want that extra 200mhz, or even more with better cooling.

So thats some added brain food to digest.

Reply to 4ryan6
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Quote :

I built my computer 2 years ago and it's time to upgrade, I want to get a new processor but I'm not sure if I'm on the right track. My motherboard is an Asus A8N-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce SLI ATX AMD. My current processor is AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Winchester 1.8GHz Socket 939. Would an AMD Opteron 148 2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 be compatible? If it isn't, what would be compatible? I really would like more than 1.8GHz..

I would truly appreciate any help or suggestions anyone would have.

Thank you



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103562

dont know if it has been posted but this one is dualcore and CHEAP.

Reply to sirheck

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I am clueless about overclocking, I want to upgrade what I have without breaking the bank. So I guess I'm back to square one...



Even if your not going to overclock, the Opty 170 is still a great choice. IMO! :D

Reply to AdamBomb42

I think you would probably be better off getting yourself an opteron 165 and overclocking it. With the right stepping you could have a 3ghz dual core.

Reply to wardb135

I would go with the widescreen personally. It is a bit of extra work getting some games to play right on it, but it is worth it.

Reply to wardb135
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