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February 28, 2007 9:12:27 AM

Building myself a new machine.

Reckon a ATI X1950XTX DDR4 512MB or Nvidia 8800GTS

I got budget about £250 for GFX card.

Cheers

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February 28, 2007 9:54:47 AM

8800, no contest.
February 28, 2007 10:22:07 AM

You should get a 7600GT or x1650. Then in 4-6 months when all the new DX10 cards finally get here, you can study the reviews and perfomance charts and pick the best one for your budget that will last your new build a long time.
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February 28, 2007 10:32:44 AM

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You should get a 7600GT or x1650. Then in 4-6 months when all the new DX10 cards finally get here, you can study the reviews and perfomance charts and pick the best one for your budget that will last your new build a long time.


you do know that Crysis comes out in March don't you?
personally I'll not be waiting till MAY to see what ATI come out with

I also can't see an overclocked 8800GTS 640mb becoming unplayable at 1280x1024 in the next 6 months, hence why I have one already (though granted I got mine at trade price)
February 28, 2007 11:09:22 AM

I'm in exactly the same position as you and those are the 2 cards I've narrowed it down to. At the moment I'm leaning toward the 8800gts 320mb because newegg has it for under $300:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130038

That is the overclocked version and if you look around you can find the non-oc one even cheaper. That is obviously for the 320mb.

I also was planning to do a mild overclock and I've read that the 1950 isn't great for that and tends to run hot as it is. Although comparatively I don't know how the GTS compares in the heat department.
a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2007 11:40:46 AM

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you do know that Crysis comes out in March don't you?

March? Sorry to ruin your day, but that's not gonna happen. No need to be thinking Crysis now as there will be better cards from both companies before the game is out. We'd be lucky to have it by Summer. EBGames lists 9-4-07 as a release date.
http://www.ebgames.com/search.asp?Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=...
February 28, 2007 12:33:07 PM

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you do know that Crysis comes out in March don't you?

Crysis Release Date: (US) June, 2007 | (UK) June, 2007| (AU) June, 2007
Developer: Crytek
Publisher: Electronic Arts
Genre: SCI-FI FPS
Platform: PC Exclusive

Nice info... :roll:
February 28, 2007 1:04:57 PM

X1950XT 256 is great for the money!

I am not overly impressed by nvidia.
February 28, 2007 1:05:45 PM

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you do know that Crysis comes out in March don't you?

March? Sorry to ruin your day, but that's not gonna happen. No need to be thinking Crysis now as there will be better cards from both companies before the game is out. We'd be lucky to have it by Summer. EBGames lists 9-4-07 as a release date.
http://www.ebgames.com/search.asp?Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=...

I was going by Play.com
our price: £26.99 Delivered

availability: Due for release on 30/03/2007

RRP: £34.99 You save: £8.00 (22%)

and either way, given the choice between a direct x 9 only card, or a direct x 10 card that is better in every way, I chose the 8800

before that I had a 7900GT which just doesn't cut it with the games out now (e.g. BF2142, Supreme Commander), buying a 7600 now is a non-choice, and why wait 4 months to get acceptable performance out of games I want to play now
February 28, 2007 1:14:47 PM

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You should get a 7600GT or x1650. Then in 4-6 months when all the new DX10 cards finally get here, you can study the reviews and perfomance charts and pick the best one for your budget that will last your new build a long time.


you do know that Crysis comes out in March don't you?
personally I'll not be waiting till MAY to see what ATI come out with

I also can't see an overclocked 8800GTS 640mb becoming unplayable at 1280x1024 in the next 6 months, hence why I have one already (though granted I got mine at trade price)

Other than the Crysis release date, I agree with Andy. There's no point waiting for the new DX10 to get a decent graphics card, there already are good DX10 cards. Regardless of the whole DX10 thing, for that kind of money it's better than any DX9-only card. It's not like it'll be obsolete in 6 months anyway.

I can guarantee you, if you wait until the new series of DX10 cards are released, SOMEONE is going to tell you to wait until their prices drop. Waiting is silly.
February 28, 2007 1:19:22 PM

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before that I had a 7900GT which just doesn't cut it with the games out now (e.g. BF2142, Supreme Commander), buying a 7600 now is a non-choice, and why wait 4 months to get acceptable performance out of games I want to play now


lol i love you how everyone thinks their card sucks. I used to play BF2 with a 9600se and had fun with the game. yeah i didnt have all the bells and whistles,but it look good. when you say the 7900gt dosent cut it with todays games it makes me chuckle
February 28, 2007 1:39:25 PM

I played Oblivion the other day on an 7900GS + E6400.
And guess what? 7900gs cant play oblivion! (at good fps)

BTW my x800xt runs it at 50% more FPS than an 7900gs.
February 28, 2007 1:42:29 PM

If there is any chance that the new GF 8 models arrive in the (rather) near future, I would definitely wait and see if there are any good deals.

However, in any case your choice should be GF 8.
February 28, 2007 1:45:00 PM

My advice 8800 gts awesome :D 
February 28, 2007 1:59:21 PM

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lol i love you how everyone thinks their card sucks. I used to play BF2 with a 9600se and had fun with the game. yeah i didnt have all the bells and whistles,but it look good. when you say the 7900gt dosent cut it with todays games it makes me chuckle


I want 1280x1024 with all options on high, I'm happy to upgrade once a year to get that
February 28, 2007 2:13:26 PM

From my understanding in the past ATI has been the faster GPU maker. Nvidia just beat ATI to the punch with releasing a DX10 card sooner. You said that you are building a new machine. I would choose a crossfire MB, get the 1950XT now, and later (when it can't hold its own anymore which will be awhile) you can upgrade to another ATI card with the option of crossfire.
February 28, 2007 3:03:52 PM

As we dont have a clue how the 8800GTS performs on dx10 I would be tempted to get something cheap like a 7900GS below for £99


http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=48JM&Cat...

Its a good card and going by reviews it can be clocked to 560/760 or even higher which will give it near x1900xt performance.

You could sell it for £50 or £60 when the need arises.
February 28, 2007 3:39:08 PM

7900gs ia piece of crap no mater how high you clock it.

x1950pro or even a 1950xt is a FAR better buy.
February 28, 2007 4:25:37 PM

8800GTS, no contest.

for $300 (some places around $280 after rebate)

its the best thin you can buy

not only does it run all modern games effortlessly, but it'll last a while into the future
February 28, 2007 8:11:32 PM

I think it really depends on what you'll be playing. If you're just planning on playing DX9 games then go for the X1950XT. If you want to be ready for future DX 10 games then go for the 8800 GTS 320MB, although dos1986 does have a good point:

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...we dont have a clue how the 8800GTS performs on dx10...
a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2007 8:26:52 PM

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X1950XT 256MB VS 8800gts 320MB

"The EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MB SC slaughters the ATI Radeon X1950 XT..."


Yeah, no duh. The 8800GTS rocks. But that superclock 8800GTS they used is also 50% more money than the X1950XT. The 320MB 8800GTS is obviously better than the X1950XT and also the X1950XTX. It's an outstanding buy and the card the OP should go for. But for those who want to spend $200 not $300, the X1950XT takes that price bracket with ease. The X1950XTX like the OP talks about has completely lost it's place since G80 launched. They needed an instant $100 price drop to keep it a valid buy, and that never happened.


Side note, I really like [H], but their Oblivion settings just plain suck. Who would play Oblivon on an X1950XT with grass turned off? :lol:  And then they keep shadows maxed including self shadows, shadows on grass, and tree canopy shadows. and shadow filtering on high? That's just completetly stupid tweaking IMO. No grass completely changes the game, but shadow filtering set to low is hardly noticeable. Turn off self shadows as they look hideous, and for performance turn off shadows on grass. Then I'd rather turn down interior/exterior shadows to 50% and keep grass distance up. Or tweak grass height if more shadows are desired. Anyway, I have grass at 100% on my X1950XT, and I am running 4xaa + HDR + 8xHQAF at 1280x1024. Funny, come to think of it, they have shadows on grass turned on, but grass turned off. :roll:
February 28, 2007 8:42:06 PM

If you can't afford a 320MB Geforce 8800GTS then you're best off buying an ATI card. At the high end Nvidia currently has the best solution, but anything lower than the 320MB 8800GTS ATI generally dominates.

I got my 8800GTX today, and I'm happy to report I can play Oblivion at 1680x1050 with HDR, 4xAA and 16xAF very smoothly.
February 28, 2007 8:52:17 PM

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your turning into robx2 :lol: 


next thing you know you'll be posting screenshots of oblivion :lol: 
February 28, 2007 9:18:27 PM

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your turning into robx2 :lol: 
I can't help it man; the card is amazingly fast and I haven't even overclocked it yet.
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next thing you know you'll be posting screenshots of oblivion :lol: 
I'm not going to post any screenshots.
February 28, 2007 9:35:00 PM

oh my fukkin god 8800 butt rapes
February 28, 2007 9:45:26 PM

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i still play at a higher res than you , nah nah nah-nah nah. :p 
I don't have a big enough monitor....jerk... :( 

:wink:
a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2007 9:48:07 PM

8800 huh, oh yeah well you should see my 68gt on oblivion at 1680x1050.

it plays (not so good) :lol: 
February 28, 2007 10:05:05 PM

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8800 huh, oh yeah well you should see my 68gt on oblivion at 1680x1050.

it plays (not so good) :lol: 
I've got a 6800GT in my old box, and I know how it plays. :oops: 
a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2007 10:11:17 PM

yeah i got this new 16x10 monitor a couple of weeks ago
fear,bf2, and farcry play good but fsx and oblivion=no,no.

within a few weeks or so im getting an 8800gts :D 
probably the 640mb version.
February 28, 2007 10:18:37 PM

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I played Oblivion the other day on an 7900GS + E6400.
And guess what? 7900gs cant play oblivion! (at good fps)

BTW my x800xt runs it at 50% more FPS than an 7900gs.



What? With HDR turned off ...


8800 GTS 640MB DESTROYS the x1950XTX even though they cost about the same. Hell, the 320MB model destroys the XTX and it is cheaper.

This is an easy decision, at least for me.
a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2007 10:24:12 PM

well yeah nada,s x800 doesnt do hdr and sm3.0.
the 7900 does so that will slow it down.
March 1, 2007 8:51:41 AM

Thanks for your input guys.

I went for an EVGA 8800GTS 320MB OC

Runs the chip at 575 rather than stock 500.

I also read that on a lot of the cards you can enable the other 32 pipes using rivetuner. We shall see.

Building new rig so that I can play Vanguard. £20 quid game costing me nearly £800 hehe

E6600
Gigabyte 965p-DS4
WD Raptor 74GB
2GB PC6400 4-4-4-4-12
EVGA 8800GTS 320MB OC
PSU,Case etc..
March 1, 2007 10:17:03 AM

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7900gs ia piece of crap no mater how high you clock it.

x1950pro or even a 1950xt is a FAR better buy.


Um... No.
x1950pro vs 7900gs
Looks to me that, yes, the x1950pro does win most of the benchmarks, but in no way does the 7900gs suck. It holds its own ground easily. And when overclocked, that gap gets hair thin. They are both good cards.

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I played Oblivion the other day on an 7900GS + E6400.
And guess what? 7900gs cant play oblivion! (at good fps)

BTW my x800xt runs it at 50% more FPS than an 7900gs.

I don't believe that. Doing some research the only time I could find anything close to what your saying is here. But even then it doesn't say if they are using HDR or not. I'm going to assume they are. So thats not even a fair fight, 7900gs w/ HDR vs x800xt w/ bloom (or maybe turned off completely). 7900gs is a better videocard then the x800xt in Oblivion.

Seems to me someone has some hatred towards Nvidia. :roll:


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X1950XT 256MB VS 8800gts 320MB

"The EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MB SC slaughters the ATI Radeon X1950 XT..."


Yeah, no duh. The 8800GTS rocks. But that superclock 8800GTS they used is also 50% more money than the X1950XT. The 320MB 8800GTS is obviously better than the X1950XT and also the X1950XTX. It's an outstanding buy and the card the OP should go for. But for those who want to spend $200 not $300, the X1950XT takes that price bracket with ease. The X1950XTX like the OP talks about has completely lost it's place since G80 launched. They needed an instant $100 price drop to keep it a valid buy, and that never happened.


Side note, I really like [H], but their Oblivion settings just plain suck. Who would play Oblivon on an X1950XT with grass turned off? :lol:  And then they keep shadows maxed including self shadows, shadows on grass, and tree canopy shadows. and shadow filtering on high? That's just completetly stupid tweaking IMO. No grass completely changes the game, but shadow filtering set to low is hardly noticeable. Turn off self shadows as they look hideous, and for performance turn off shadows on grass. Then I'd rather turn down interior/exterior shadows to 50% and keep grass distance up. Or tweak grass height if more shadows are desired. Anyway, I have grass at 100% on my X1950XT, and I am running 4xaa + HDR + 8xHQAF at 1280x1024. Funny, come to think of it, they have shadows on grass turned on, but grass turned off. :roll:

I absolutely agree with everything you said. But I believe the extra 50% cost is justified, and you will gain more then 50% performance over the x1950xt. And the settings they decide to turn off in there benchmarks with Oblivion are silly. Same with NFS Carbon, I rather have 1280x1024 w/ motion blur, then 1600x1200 w/o motion blur...
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