Will the Pentium Name Return?

The Pentium4 was a real failure for Intel and usually, names relating to failures are more keen to disappear than resurrect (Though IMO, it was much more attractive and sounded better than 'Core'.

True, but Intel already dumped the Pentium name by not calling Core2 'PentiumV'. I'd not think of a return after this discontinuance in the Pentium name; it just makes no sense.
IMO, Intel needs a new (better) brand name to replace Core and Core2, today it just looks like the old days for them with the Exxxx model: 80800, i486 DX2; just numbers and letters not inspirational at all. The Athlon on the other hand is a much bolder branding name and with an almost totally brilliant past will continue to live, up to the birth of the first fusion chips maybe.

Cell..
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Maybe in the future there will be a Core 4 Pentium Extreme Edition for you .

My point exactly.

- We enthusiasts know that the Pentium 4 was a flop, we wouldn't judge the Pentium 5 to be the same as we would see benchmarks first.
- Households could really care less and know the Pentium name well
- Firms are similar to us in that they have pros who look at benchmarks. They also products that they can sell in mass volumes (brings household familiarity with Pentium back into the picture).

It just feels like there's something missing. We've still got the Xeon name, we've got the Centrino name but why did we lose the Pentium name? Why drop the most famous name?

They're just a big, dumb giant, that's all; More or less all brand names today are pretty aggressive and appealing, like 'Athlon', 'Radeon', 'Crossfire' etc... and what does Intel come up with; CORE2 ...Rocky5 was BS but still better.

While we can argue a lot on dumping the Pentium brand name, I guess everyone is unanimous on the point that 'Core' is more or less stupid and more or less anything else would be much better.

I've heard that Intel already has plans to bring back the pentium name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_E2000

Looks like a pretty nice chip for people who want a low cost dual core setup (like myself ).

That's ok by me. Pentium was cool, but "Celeron" was just retarded.

*Note: I swear I am not just saying that because Celerons suck so much*
-cm

Not true. Both names are returning, and in less than 2 months (April 22). The Pentium name will be given to Allendale dual cores with 1mb shared L2 cache (512kb each core) and 800fsb, and the Celeron will be for single core products (Conroe-L) with 512KB L2, 800fsb. Celeron D will have speeds of 2.0 (Celeron 440), 1.8 (430), and a later release of 1.6 (420). The Pentium will be released at speeds of 1.8 (E2160) and 1.6Ghz (E2140). TDP for the Pentium series will be 65watt, while the Celerons are 35 watt TDP. Pricing is supposed to be at $80 for the Pentiums, and as little as $40 for the Celeron D 420.

The name Pentium will not disappear.

whatever.

what are you going to see at the Intel complex? I can see the Folsom Intel complex out my window at work. Intel employees get discounts at the local taco bell...stinkin' discounts.

Great for him

Its possibly a me thing, but I prefer "Core 2" to Pentium. The Pentium name is forever marred by Netburst. Pentium 5 Quadro, doesn't sound as cool Core 2 Quadro.

It'll sound like 20 cores to the uninformed consumer if you use that logic.

Well, this is nothing more than an enthusiast debate, because Intel already decided to keep the Pentium name. It'll be on the single core mid level chips.

Intel spent a fortune branding the Pentium name to break free of the x86 nomenclature with a copywrited name. They did a fantastic job of pulling the wool over consumers eyes for years with the maximum megahertz myth, but you can only "can fool all of the people some of the time".

The Pentium line, has been associated with disaster after disaster as far as performance the P60 floating point point error, Willamette's underperformance and expensive Rambus requirement, Northwood's sudden death syndrome, Prescott's ability to fry your eggs for breakfast while running thus dubbed the "Preshot".

Intel marketing rightly abandoned the Pentium name as it is associated with CPU's that were constantly beat by the Athlons. They wanted something new to say this is a new technology that doesn't scale to the Pentium speeds.

good discussion.

its interestin how many of you think people care about the name; of course, when it comes to slightly more knowledgable people, they'll know that the pentiums have been inferior to AMD for a long while.

however, I think most of you fail to realize that perhaps well over 90% of the worlds population (that have computers, and even some that don't) don't know anythin bout architecture and all the technical details. all they know is that if it goes fast, they want it. they don't know whut a celeron is, and they don't know theres a difference between pentium and celeron, or athlon and ruon for that matter.

I know average people who don't even know the difference between intel and pentium; they think the names are synonymous, either for a CPU or the company itself.

how often do you see someone in these forums askin for advice on their new build, and they actually put in a 3+ Ghz P4 (or other netburst based-CPU) into it; even a percentage of the enthusiast market still falls for that "more Mhz iz bettar" scheme. these people of course don't really know much about computers or the theory behind the architectures, but they DO know how to put somethin together.


as for the topic itself... I don't think it'll be a huge deal if intel drops the pentium name or keeps it. some people here say computer-savvy people avoid pentium because of its recent failures, but once they see benchmarks - they'd run out and buy new stuff.

but I can agree... names like core2duo sound okay to the enthusiast sect, but intel needs to think of somethin else for the average consumer, somethin easy to remember. somethin catchy. easy to remember.

maybe they can jus call ALL their CPUs CELERON

... hm maybe like... pentium....

Just don't spam for it and we're cool. Anyway, according to every road map that I've seen for Intel, the Allendale core will make up the new Pentium's. Like I said before, most of what I saw indicated that these would be single core, make them mid level chips. Now I'm wondering exactly how little cache and what speed the new Celeron's will be, not to mention what the TDP and overclockability will be.

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/har [...] t=rumoured

Wooow; it will be very interesting, however, that means the Pentium is not back; It's a flagship CPU name and your description better depicts a Core2 'Celeron' rather than a REAL Pentium. I'd also be curious to see such chip very soon, though for an Intel chip without an IMC, going from 1M L2/core to 512K will be rather crippling and it looks like Intel has a lot of CeleronDs and Pentium4s/PDs still to sell.
Whatever it is, they'd better start delivering them because AMD is still hyrting a lot on the lower end dual core front and Intel chips might be soon sandwiched between the dirt cheap, retiring K8 and upcoming K10 CPUs.

lol, wasn't.. their dual core species their pentium 5????????

Problem with the Core name is the revision number. Core 2 Quad may sound like 8 cores to some consumers. Then imagine Core 3...

Calling it a Pentium 5 Q or Pentium 5 D would sound a lot better and simpler. It just seems more clean...

The way things are going, I expect core 3 to be the NEHALEM. A MAJOR improvement over the Conroe(2 core) or Kensfield (4 core).

Intel won't name it a quadcore or something descriptive because they can't copywright the name as they did with Pentium and Core2Duo.