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March 3, 2007 3:59:05 AM

i got the money sitting in the bank. If you read my sig you can see my system may have a decent video card. But i could deffintly use a better video card since i am running vista for direct x 10. I wanted to hear some opinions. should i go right ahead and buy a 8800gtx that has already been out for 5months?> or should i wait for the 8900gtx is and drop the 600bucks so i can get its full self life of being the number one video card. the way i see it is i pay now for a card that has already been out for a while so i will not be using it for long until it is outdated. chance are if i wait for a 8900gtx comes out first day and buy one i can milk the sucker for as long as possible knowing it is the best until it will be eventually replaced. Anyways is it wrong of me to think this way?? if so why? Can anyone estimate when 8900gtx's will be availble or even a 8950gtx??

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March 3, 2007 6:28:39 AM

Well in my opinion you should just buy a 8800 gtx. The reason for this is that , there is no game right now that can stress this card .

Also this is proven hardware with good performance . What gaurantee is there that the 8900 would be released any time soon and really perform any better than a 8800 .

Dude the 8800 is AS FAST A TWO 1950 cards in crossfire.

Think about it everyday you could be gaming and frankly in my opinion thats powerful enough.

As for the 8900 , no idea if and when its going to be available .

Game TODAY OR wait forever 8)
March 3, 2007 7:23:59 AM

the point is you can play....
Battlefield 2142 or WoW and get 70 frames per second with your $300 8800gts 320mb

or you can spend $600 and get Battlefield 2142 or WoW to play at 80 fps

is 10-15% improvement in a game worth $300 ?
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March 3, 2007 1:11:38 PM

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the point is you can play....
Battlefield 2142 or WoW and get 70 frames per second with your $300 8800gts 320mb

or you can spend $600 and get Battlefield 2142 or WoW to play at 80 fps

is 10-15% improvement in a game worth $300 ?


it is probally not "worth it"
March 3, 2007 2:05:08 PM

You could buy an EVGA card and then step up to the 8900 assuming it is released before your step-up expires.
March 3, 2007 2:05:18 PM

ololollolol
March 3, 2007 2:11:27 PM

Yea but comparing the two cards to each other in just two games is not really that great of an idea. Here check this out.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/1/

They compare the GTS/GTX along with 7900GTX/GS and a X1950 XTX. It is a nice little review. There is more performance difference between them then 10fps. If that was all then no one would pay the extra $300+ for 10fps.
March 3, 2007 2:13:54 PM

stick with what you have at least until the ati card comes out,it may drive the 8800 prices down or force nvidia to release something (8900 or whatever ) to compete/beat the ati cards. thats just my opinion,look at what competition has done for amd and intel cpu prices lately
March 3, 2007 2:35:47 PM

I wouldn't expect it to drive prices down all that much.

1. AMD is using language like competitive when describing the R600 which leads me to believe that they may be relaxing the performance to fall close the the 8800. To delay the card this long there must have be a significant problem.

2. They would have to kill the 8800 in performance to drive the price down.

3. $550 is the benchmark price for to tier card set by the last gen of cards. The current gen is that much more for a 2x gain in performance.

As for the 8900 I wouldn't have high hopes of it being a much better performer. Right now unless the 8950 is for real the design is close to being thermally limited.
March 3, 2007 3:11:03 PM

I own an 8800GTX and truthfully, with new drivers I think performance will increase significantly.
March 3, 2007 4:00:50 PM

I own one as well and their driver team sucks so I'm wondering what makes you think that will change. I agree there's a 10-20% left in there but only if someone else writes the drivers for it.

The latest drivers for Vista 64 are still extremely buggy. In fact they weren't even address in the last driver update though the revision number changed.
March 3, 2007 4:06:23 PM

Do you think the 8900 will be 65nm? That might be waiting for.
a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2007 4:15:21 PM

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I own one as well and their driver team sucks so I'm wondering what makes you think that will change. I agree there's a 10-20% left in there but only if someone else writes the drivers for it.

The latest drivers for Vista 64 are still extremely buggy. In fact they weren't even address in the last driver update though the revision number changed.


it will take time. hopefully not too long.

look back at when sli first came out.
you had to run the exact same card.
after sli matured, you can now mix match different brands
and even different size memory.
March 3, 2007 4:17:30 PM

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Do you think the 8900 will be 65nm? That might be waiting for.
If it's 65nm, you'll be waiting until June or later.
March 3, 2007 10:31:47 PM

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Do you think the 8900 will be 65nm? That might be waiting for.
If it's 65nm, you'll be waiting until June or later.
Thanks. I can wait until June or later.
March 5, 2007 9:24:19 PM

Im really in the same predicament.. Right now i have the Evga 7950 GT KO, and am looking to step up to a dx 10 card. Now with the evga step up program, can i step up off the alrdy stepped up card? like if i wanted to step up now to a 8800 GTX, could i later step up again to a 8900 GTX ?
March 6, 2007 2:15:48 AM

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Im really in the same predicament.. Right now i have the Evga 7950 GT KO, and am looking to step up to a dx 10 card. Now with the evga step up program, can i step up off the alrdy stepped up card? like if i wanted to step up now to a 8800 GTX, could i later step up again to a 8900 GTX ?

You can step up to a 8900 anytime if you have the cash.
The 8800 GTX is already a killer DX9 card.
I'm waiting because even the 8800 GTX seems a tad too slow for Oblivion at MAX 1600x1200. A game like Crysis will tear it apart. (It seems crysis already brings 2 8800GTXs in SLI to its KNEES)
I am guessing the next gen cards will be faster and use less watts. Hopefully the R600 will be the biggest graphics card there ever will be.
a b U Graphics card
March 6, 2007 2:20:40 AM

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Im really in the same predicament.. Right now i have the Evga 7950 GT KO, and am looking to step up to a dx 10 card. Now with the evga step up program, can i step up off the alrdy stepped up card? like if i wanted to step up now to a 8800 GTX, could i later step up again to a 8900 GTX ?

You can step up to a 8900 anytime if you have the cash.
The 8800 GTX is already a killer DX9 card.
I'm waiting because even the 8800 GTX seems a tad too slow for Oblivion at MAX 1600x1200. A game like Crysis will tear it apart. (It seems crysis already brings 2 8800GTXs in SLI to its KNEES)
I am guessing the next gen cards will be faster and use less watts. Hopefully the R600 will be the biggest graphics card there ever will be.

easy now dr. who.

come back in time about 4 months or so. :p 
March 6, 2007 2:24:24 AM

Really what i was asking, if i step up now, could i step up off of the 8800 GTX again? or is it a one shot deal?
a b U Graphics card
March 6, 2007 2:27:51 AM

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Really what i was asking, if i step up now, could i step up off of the 8800 GTX again? or is it a one shot deal?


i have 2 68gt evga cards and my brother has a 76gt evga card.
i should recieve my new 88gts evga card in 2 days.

i know about the step-up deal.
but i dont think it works that way?
i have never used it. :? :?:
March 7, 2007 7:06:45 AM

uh, did you step off the planet know it all? because by your comment i dont believe you own an 8800GTX, at 1600X1200 a single 8800GTS performs nicely in oblivion with max settings this is DX9, crysis isn't even out so i don't know why you comment on it, considering you dont even own an 8800 series card. dont make statements without facts.
March 7, 2007 7:08:16 AM

LMFAO this is coming from the guy that was saying all the 8800 owners where going to get pwnd because the 8900 was going to be just like the 7800-7900 series. shutup already dude, go away and die under your rock .
a b U Graphics card
March 7, 2007 3:57:59 PM

hey rob im at work now and awaiting ups to show up. :lol: 

i got the 88gts 640mb.
should be here anytime today :lol:  :lol: 

my 68gt played oblivion fine at 10x7 , and not so good at 16x10.
but tonight ill give the new gpu a try on oblivion at 16x10.
March 7, 2007 4:56:09 PM

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Im really in the same predicament.. Right now i have the Evga 7950 GT KO, and am looking to step up to a dx 10 card. Now with the evga step up program, can i step up off the alrdy stepped up card? like if i wanted to step up now to a 8800 GTX, could i later step up again to a 8900 GTX ?


http://evga.com/stepup/default.asp?switch=3

Q: How long is the Step-Up™ Program good for?
A: The initial request for a Step-Up must be submitted within the first 90 days from the date of purchase.

Q: Can I Step-Up more than once?
A: No.
Only new purchases can be entered for sumbission for the Step-Up™ Program. Cards received through the Step-Up™ Program cannot be upgraded.
a b U Graphics card
March 7, 2007 6:12:25 PM

s939 x2 4400
antec 550watt tp2.0
4 512 stick of corsair xms.

just came home for lunh and installed the new gpu but have to go back to work now.

cant get a temp reading yet tried using the nv monitor.
but it just locks up.

ill try after work.

also just used the drivers from the cd that came with card.
ill check nv,s website after work for newer ones.

ill post back here in a couple of hours.
March 7, 2007 7:22:39 PM

I play Oblivion at 1680x1050 with all in game settings on the max, 4xAA 16xAF and it's completely playable at these settings.
a b U Graphics card
March 7, 2007 9:37:59 PM

yeah i usually use either coolbits or ntune.

but that was for my 68gt,s.


thanks for the link. 8)
Im going to download the newest drivers and ati-tool right now.
March 7, 2007 11:58:37 PM

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uh, did you step off the planet know it all? because by your comment i dont believe you own an 8800GTX, at 1600X1200 a single 8800GTS performs nicely in oblivion with max settings this is DX9, crysis isn't even out so i don't know why you comment on it, considering you dont even own an 8800 series card. dont make statements without facts.

You're right. I just been reading these reviews, viewing benchmarks, etc for years (since the days Tom Pabst will actually reply emails).
If you want know something specific, I can find references.
Myself like many enthusiasts, can sometimes get a little carried away.
BTW, here is a link having the 8800GTS running Oblivion at 26.69fps @ 1600x1200.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/08/geforce_8800/pag...
Even that is relative. Just go by your experiences.
I'm personally running Oblivion at 1600x1200 with a X1950XT. I wish I something WAY faster when getting near the gates outdoors.
March 8, 2007 12:01:48 AM

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I play Oblivion at 1680x1050 with all in game settings on the max, 4xAA 16xAF and it's completely playable at these settings.

Let me go back and read what I posted. I am sure your GTX @ 1680x1050 is more than good enough.
a b Î Nvidia
a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2007 12:24:44 AM

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Even if it was real crysis is still a good ways off from release and will go through tons of optimizations between now and the time it comes out. Also dont forget that DX10 will not only improve visuals but it will also improve performance by removing the overhead from XP and DX9. I am pretty sure that a single 8800GTX will handle crysis just fine at 1680X1050.


However don't forget that the load also increases geometrically too with the amount of stuff they are adding for DX10. DX10 will be more efficient but also be doing more. Think of it like turning the grass up in Oblivion, you get the benefit but it does come at a price. Cruysis will undoubtedly scale well according to their statements at FS and elsewhere, but also it will be doing more although more efficiently. the question is the balance they get, because even they said it will tax current top of the line systems when fully cranked. So as numbers pulled out of my butt, think of it like at max the load inceases to 300%, now DX10 overhead reduction makes it 20% more efficient, and the geometry shaders add 50-100% in heavy areas, you may still wind up with a slow down compared to the less impressive, but also less taxing DX9 mode. We'll have to wait and see, but the thing that will impress me most is their use of physics and geometry shaders, and the later is an area where M$ mentioned a preference for one architecture over the other, however it's impact is still unknown. I'm going to wait to see what Crytek does before making any statements either way. Crytek last time both came out with and added additional features that brought even the very best at the time to it's knees. I don't doubt they may do the same this time. I suspect the GF8800GTX, and especially 2 in SLi to be very good, but whether it's better than the game itself depends on alot of unknowns for me.


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Take a look at the FPS of Oblivion with my 2 8800GTX's running at 1680X1050 with 16XAA and 16XAF in the middle of the forest with all maxed out in game options and then consider how unoptimized Oblivion is and also the fact that its running in DX9 which is less efficient than DX10 and tell me I will not be able to run Crysis above 20FPS :lol: 


Make that forest less basic normal meshed and more fully displacement mapped with extensive geometric replication and then think of what that means to the workload, especially with interactive/destructible foliage/terrain (not graphics load, but maybe SLi, or at least CPU load, and then fed back to VPU), and I can easily see some crippling scenarios despite the G80's great performance in Oblivion. the options available to Crytek are impressive, the question is, how much have they decided to add to the game.

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Nothing against tomshardware but their Oblivion test with both the 8800GTX and 8800GTS are way off from other reviews and my own personal experience.


Yeah unfortunately that's been my impression too, although that was also for the X1900 series as well as the G80. I think the THG Oblivion benchies are the standout because they are different from most reviews in that respect.

BTW, your Oblivion images look too clean, not realistic anymore, Ferns are too smooth, needs 4X AA. :tongue:
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