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Hi all.

I'm having problems with my 7900GTO from MSI, I'm getting 3200 3dmark 06 1.02 when I should be getting 5000, and 5000 3dmark 05 when I should be getting 10000. I have a 4300 @ 3Ghz, 1MB RAM.

I get 1232 SM2.0 when the VGA charts say I should get 2226 with a 7900GT and 3006 with a 79000GTX.

I am using 93.71 drivers, same results with 91.47 and 93.81.

All at 1024 x 768 resolution. Card is about two weeks old, only recently started benchmarking it.

Under the info on the nVidia control panel it says the card is on PCI Express x1, but it should be x16? Is this the problem? How could I fix it?

Thanks for any help!

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if you have 1mb ram then your score is way too high im afraid :D

Reply to phas3r

If your board has sli, maybe try sticking it in the other pci-express slot, dunno why it would only run it at 1x mine is at 16x. You sure it's definitely in the right slot (probably a silly suggestion as I'm not sure if they actually fit in regular slots)

Reply to spanner_razor

Have you checked out the power to it? usually thats the biggest problem. Might also wanna d/l Riva tuner and see what your clock speeds are.

Reply to Xazax310

If you havent connected the external power connector it will throttle and it could potentially damage the card (so I've heard, not willing to try it myself as I have no reason to). Often it will tell you if you havent connected it tho.

Reply to randomizer

D/l CPU-Z and check the PCI-E frequency, if it says 1x then try checking on the BIOS if you can change anything.

Reply to slim142

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if you have 1mb ram then your score is way too high im afraid :D



:lol:

Should see some good benchmark scores on Jill of the Jungle though. :P

P.S. Maybe the expanded memory was not detected...

Reply to r0x0r

Roxor, the bios says my expanded memory is being detected.

Slim142, CPU-Z says Link Width x 1 Max Supported x 16.

randomizer, external power is connected, fan is spinning, I think you get a warning if it's not.

Xazax310, core is 650, memory is 660, which is default.

spanner_razor, I only have one PCI-E slot, no they don't fit into regular PCI, and the removal method is much improved over AGP.

Xazax310, I'm not sure 1GB RAM shold be affecting the scores all this much. It's 4.4.4.14 memory. 512MB on the card. Am I wrong on this?

Thanks for the replies everyone. I do have a problem then? ALso I can see the golden ends of the card sticking out of the PCI-E slot slightly, is this maybe the problem? I don't have any graphical problems though.

I did get occasonal errors with 93.71 with nv-disp.dll something, that's why I upgraded to .81, noticed the performance loss, downgraded, then went down to 91.47.

Do you think a full reinstall would help, as could it be a driver conflict from my driver experimentation doing this?

Thanks all! I will get Supreme Commander running at a decent rate, even if it kills me!

Reply to labortius

sweet, you're around, nice to see you

Anyways, what you were saying is probably the first thing to do, check inside the bios to see if it's accidently set at some weird setting, the op should try a cmos clear, or possibly a bios flash to see if that clears up problems. 90% of the time it will anyway

I just checked my cpuz, and mine says link width 16, max supported 16, so that means it definitely is under running the bandwidth. So as I said, check the bios to see if anything's configuerd wrong there, and flash it if you need to (if you do flash it though, try to use a flashing utility that most boards supply, if not, be sure to back up your bios on say a flash drive, most mobos can directly update from a flash drive in the bios if you can't get it to post anymroe)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Hey gang (and Tacos, recently arrived!)

Problem solved, thought you'd liek to know.

It was that my 7900GTO wasn't in the slot correctly (yes you shouldn't be able to see the gold ends!).

It was in enough so that it knew it was a 7900GTO in there, would work without any obvious problems, but was only running at PCI-E x 1 speed, which translates to about half speed.

Now I'm gonna 3dmark the beastie to see what I got.

Big gracias for all the help, you lot rock!

Reply to labortius

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(yes you shouldn't be able to see the gold ends!).


lol man, at least I can't see the gold ends on my 6600gt (which, is pimpin' beyond belief, I get 500000fsps in tetris man :lol: )

Anyways, congradulations on fixing the problem, I should have thought about reseating the card myself.

ps, I would think that running it at 1/16 the bandwidth would cause more than just a 50% performance loss, but ohh well

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

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(yes you shouldn't be able to see the gold ends!).


lol man, at least I can't see the gold ends on my 6600gt (which, is pimpin' beyond belief, I get 500000fsps in tetris man :lol: )

Anyways, congradulations on fixing the problem, I should have thought about reseating the card myself.

ps, I would think that running it at 1/16 the bandwidth would cause more than just a 50% performance loss, but ohh well

Nice to see you around too, hopefully im gonna be more active this days (since my rma again :P)

btw, nice to know that you fixed your problem and I would like to see the difference of 1x with 16x

Reply to slim142

did you finally get a good rma this time? I remember you rma'd, then the rma broke. Ohh, and I just bought a new keyboard :mrgreen: I was going to get the logitech g15, but it was a bit out of my budget at $60, so I got an awesome ergonomics keyboard for only $30 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823109148

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Well, PCI-E x1 gave me 5144 3dmark05 and PCI-E x16 10602 with 91.47 (93.71, 93.81 gave me slightly worse scores).

PCI-E x1 gave me 3207 3dmark05 and PCI-E x16 7282 with 91.47

It didn't quite work out to a sixteenth!

Reply to labortius

yeah, that's strange, I would have thought otherwise, looks like the 79000gto just can't take full advantage of the full bandwidth. Perhaps the 8800gts and gtx can, but if they don't, then I see no point to the upcoming pci_e 2.0

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Gee I thought those were pretty good scores Tacos? It's about what the 7900GTX was getting in the VGA charts, and I haven't overclocked it!

(yet!)

Reply to labortius

They are getting good scores, but what I'm saying isn't the scores, but how much use the card can actually make out of the bandwidth and whether pci_e 2.0 will be of use or hype for a couple of years

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

How can we tell if the bandwidth is completely being used or not?

Reply to labortius

well, see you ran your gpu at full bandwidth, which is 16 times as much as the min, and min bandwidth, and your results were only halfed. One way you could check it out is to run it at 8x bandwidth to see if it's just the optimising drivers, or if the card simply isn't using all the bandwidth that is provided to it

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

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did you finally get a good rma this time? I remember you rma'd, then the rma broke. Ohh, and I just bought a new keyboard :mrgreen: I was going to get the logitech g15, but it was a bit out of my budget at $60, so I got an awesome ergonomics keyboard for only $30 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823109148



nah, not yet, corsair should have got it today at afternoon already. Should expect RMA at friday or even monday next week. I hope this one comes good.

And hey, nice to hear that you bought a new keyboard. That g15 impresses me but I dont want anything wired anymore. Im just tired of it.

BTW, pretty big difference from 1x to 16x

Reply to slim142

I wanted the g15, but I prefer the ergo keyboards since I don't game as much, and I hear the tracking is bad on the g7 and the g5 isn't as good as the mx518, which is my next purchase
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826104178
I wanted the mx1000, but newegg don't carry it and logitech's site is way too pricey

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

As you know, I buy what I like and what I feel is gonna be comfortable for me and look nice on my pc :)

I really love logitech and will stick with them foreva. Never considered microsoft, because I hate to spend money on them. I dont spend money on their OS, whats make taco think that im gonna spend money on their keyboards!

Reply to slim142

Simply because their ergo keyboards are better, I have used this one before, and since I'm picketing it for only $30 compared to the g15's $65, I'm happy with, especially the feel it has, far more comfertable for everday use, while I may get a g15 just for gaming down the road, I'll stick with an ergo keyboard and try to get their mx518 mouse

Other than that, I'm glad people hack ms so easily, with the prices they charge and how much money they make, they deserve it, unless they will start to bring a quality product software wise (I like office, but that's about it, they completely stole vista from apple), I will only buy their keyboards, maybe mice 40 years down the road, but that's about it, I only use xp to run my software

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Max price for Vista should be $200 (ultimate)

Reply to slim142

I agree, but lets move this completely to pm, I don't want to look like a thread hijacker

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

$200 for a fancy interface, and new task switcher (I don't know about you but I don't spend hours looking lovingly at it, it flashes for half a second while I switch programs if I can't be bothered to use the taskbar) and new new DirectX version that isn't in any games yet!

I'm a bit cold about the whole thing. I guess I'll have to try the demo first.

And don't worry about hijacking the thread, this thread started life by hijacking another thread (yes that was me), and Tacos was there for that, too. Plus my 7900GTO is running at full speed, so the thread is done!

Reply to labortius

hehe thanks for letting us know

IMO $200 for ultimate is ok, that if microsoft wants people to buy their genuine stuff.

they think everybody can spend $400 on a system which cant be fully used now..

Reply to slim142

my friend's giving me his vista upgrade coupon, so I'm gonna try to get home premium for free, that'll be a nice upgrade for me, but I want to get a new hdd first (possibly a raptor X like yours) so I don't have to worry about transfering licenses when I finally decide to get a faster hdd

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

well, you can always call them to tell them you formatted and reinstalled windows but is always easier just to wait ;)

raptor x is pretty expensive, I suggest you stop spending money on KEYBOARDS and start saving up

Reply to slim142

I spent $30 on the keyboard, give me a break, I got it on sale, otherwise I wouldn't be spending money at all

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

take it easy. Im not blaming you, im jsut trying to say that if you really want that hdd which is gonna give you perfomance, then go for it and stop thinking about those little things that will not make your pc faster ;)

When I think like this, I know that is really worth the save and time spend to get that $200 or $300 component.

Reply to slim142

I have the money, it's all tucked away in one of my three major bank accounts, the question is what to upgrade, my 6600gt to a dx10 card (waiting for prices to drop and will picket a nice one when they do), a faster hdd, or to upgrade my cpu to a k10 based one. It's a hard decision, and I have to decide between gaming, faster overall applications, or faster boot times (both a cpu and hdd will acomplish, but I actually compared my cpu at half speed and at a 50% oc, and the boot times had minimal difference, meaning serious hdd bottleneck)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

not a nice moment to upgrade videocard so just wait on that

hdd might be a good option to upgrade since there are no rumors of a better raptor

cpu, idk, k10 is coming but its gonna take its time and you gonna have to replace mobo which makes it more expensive (I think right?)

Reply to slim142

not quite, I have an am2 board, which makes it compatible with the am2+ cpus, just without the faster hypertransport. And as I said, I'm gonna wait on the prices, but I don't think the raptor will ever have a major drop as you said

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

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not a nice moment to upgrade videocard so just wait on that



It's not a nice moment unless you can get a 7900GTO for a song, which I did :D

Reply to labortius

well yeah, but you already own any 7600gt card and up, I would recommend to hold on on the videocard upgrade cuz there are many things coming up in april :)

oh yeah, I really wanted the GTO but was too expensive at that moment :(

Reply to slim142

well, I own a 6600gt if that counts for anything 8O

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

taco, you always come with surprises so is not somethin new....

anyways, I would still wait for the 8600Ultra ;)

Reply to slim142

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well, I own a 6600gt if that counts for anything 8O



Let me guess, you were going to buy an 8800GTX but you decided to buy the 6600 instead and spend the rest on tasty, tasty tacos?

Damnit, now I'm hungry.

Reply to r0x0r

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well, I own a 6600gt if that counts for anything 8O



Let me guess, you were going to buy an 8800GTX but you decided to buy the 6600 instead and spend the rest on tasty, tasty tacos?

Damnit, now I'm hungry.

that was a good one :lol:

Reply to slim142

I got time, so I'll wait, and no, I bought the 6600gt 3 years ago, but now the taco thing doesn't seem like a bad diea... :lol:

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

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I got time, so I'll wait, and no, I bought the 6600gt 3 years ago, but now the taco thing doesn't seem like a bad diea... :lol:



Noooooo please! noooooooooooooooooooo! :lol:

Reply to slim142

I did that, but bought the 7900GTO. Man, these tacos are the best.

Reply to labortius

If you mean AMi's R60, wasn't that pushed back to May / June? Also, there will be a few months before a real price war to benefit all us poor folk, so aim for <cough> August.

Anybody really think Hellgate, Stalker, Crysis is going to be a slideshow on anything 79xx and up, or 19xx and up? Run it at a sensible 1024x768 and i'm sure they'll be fine...

(he said without any conviction...)

I can't see myself needing a DX10 card 'til 2007.*

*I meant 2009, little joke. Anyway by then I'll have got bored by FPS and RTS and gone back to reading and movies. Or we'll all be irradiated by some godless sleeper cell.**

**Just kidding.***

***I hope.

Reply to labortius

8600 series coming in first week of april :wink:

Reply to slim142

hopefully, the r600 was supposed to come out when? :oops:

I got my keyboard today!!! Very comfertable to work with, my only complaint is that the space bar is very stiff, but that will change over time, very nice board imo, highly recommended

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

man, I don't know what's going on, but for some reason my new keyboard is messed up now, half the keys don't work. I'm forced to use my old one right now because of that

And I always thought ati's original date was like March for the release, then April, then finally May/June

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

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I spent $30 on the keyboard, give me a break, I got it on sale, otherwise I wouldn't be spending money at all



That's probably why it's stuffed.

Either that or you spilt taco all over it as soon as you took it out of the box.

(Sooo... hungryyyy).

Reply to r0x0r

Slim, what's an 8600? A cut down 8800? A 320MB 8800GTS is often less than a high end 7900, 1900..so how is this progress? Who's gonna buy it?

Reply to labortius
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