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Anonymous
September 28, 2004 12:20:38 PM

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Hi guys. I read frequently about the genetic factor in Pokemon, but as yet
I do not understand this concept. What exactly is it, how does it affect
them, and is it passed on through breeding? What's the inside scoop on
this?

Thanks again. :) 

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Anonymous
September 28, 2004 11:43:31 PM

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Jim Haidle <dynatok@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys. I read frequently about the genetic factor in Pokemon, but
> as yet I do not understand this concept. What exactly is it, how
> does it affect them, and is it passed on through breeding? What's
> the inside scoop on this?

Calling it "genetic" is a bit of a leap... a pokemon's varible stats are
programmed code, and very limited. I think what you might be talking about
are Egg Moves-- bred pokemon can be taught moves that their parents know,
that their species wouldn't normally know.

Other bits of the parent's code (like stats) are passed along as well.

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Anonymous
September 29, 2004 1:16:37 PM

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"DeepThought" <deep.42.thought@gmailEARTH.com> wrote in message
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> Jim Haidle <dynatok@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi guys. I read frequently about the genetic factor in Pokemon, but
>> as yet I do not understand this concept. What exactly is it, how
>> does it affect them, and is it passed on through breeding? What's
>> the inside scoop on this?
>
> Calling it "genetic" is a bit of a leap... a pokemon's varible stats are
> programmed code, and very limited.

Okay, I think some places call it DV (deter value). I see it mentioned by
both names in the various formularies on the web, but I have no real
explainations of this factor. They often link it with the "Box Trick".


>I think what you might be talking about
> are Egg Moves-- bred pokemon can be taught moves that their parents know,
> that their species wouldn't normally know.
>
> Other bits of the parent's code (like stats) are passed along as well.
>
Okay, let's talk about that. Let's say that a Pokemon species has a max of
300 HP, and that poke A has a max HP value of 250 and breeds with poke B
with a max HP value of 280. What does this do to the offspring's max HP
value?

I think this might be getting too involved for my purposes ... I need to
streamline this process somehow.
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Anonymous
September 29, 2004 9:38:21 PM

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"Jim Haidle" <dynatok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>I think what you might be talking about
>> are Egg Moves-- bred pokemon can be taught moves that their parents know,
>> that their species wouldn't normally know.
>>
>> Other bits of the parent's code (like stats) are passed along as well.
>>
> Okay, let's talk about that. Let's say that a Pokemon species has a max
> of 300 HP, and that poke A has a max HP value of 250 and breeds with poke
> B with a max HP value of 280. What does this do to the offspring's max HP
> value?
>
> I think this might be getting too involved for my purposes ... I need to
> streamline this process somehow.

You haven't quite understood yet.

Each statistic has a DV (or a "gene", to continue your metaphor), and this
influences the value of the stat. However, the DV is NOT of the same value
as the stat. Statistics are variable - they (usually) get higher with each
level. The DV is constant, and there's no way of changing it.

In RS, the DV for each stat is a number between 0 and 31. The higher the
DV, the better the stat will be. However, this isn't the only thing that
affects the stat - it's just a starting point.

There is also what's now known as EV - Effort Value. Whenever you defeat an
opponent, you will get Effort Value (or stat experience) as well as level
experience. What you fight will determine the type of EV you receive.
Defeat a Magikarp, and your Defense stat gets a boost. Defeat an Electrode,
and your Speed will get a boost. Defeat a Chansey, and your HP will get a
boost. Some creatures will give two different types of EV at the same time,
but never more than two.

Each stat can only be boosted by up to 255 EVs, and then the stat will be at
its highest possible for that individual Pokémon. However, the Pokémon can
only receive up to 510 EVs for all the stats combined. This means you can
only ever have two max stats on any given Pokémon.

The drugs - Calcium, Iron, and so on - are to stat experience as Rare
Candies are to level experience. They boost the EVs of their specific stat
(by 10, unless it's changed since GSC). You can only use ten of these drugs
(i.e. 100 EVs) per statistic.

Breeding is quite erratic now. I believe two stats from the parents are
randomly selected, and those stats' DVs are passed down. This all got too
complicated and unreliable for me, so I've not really bothered breeding for
DVs.

Oh, and by the way, both DVs and EVs are invisible numbers, so the only way
to know them is to work them out. A Pokémon caught in the wild, bought from
Game Corner or received from an in-game character, will have no EVs, so if
you care enough, you can track the amount they receive by finding a list of
how many and what kind of EV you receive from every opponent defeated.

--
Steffan Alun

http://iceduck.pkmn.co.uk/ - my site
http://www.pkmn.co.uk/ - want Pokeyman?

Sapphire PokéDex: 201
Anonymous
September 30, 2004 3:41:26 AM

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"STEFFAN HEDD ALUN" <sha3@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> You haven't quite understood yet.
>
> Each statistic has a DV (or a "gene", to continue your metaphor), and this
> influences the value of the stat. However, the DV is NOT of the same
value
> as the stat. Statistics are variable - they (usually) get higher with
each
> level. The DV is constant, and there's no way of changing it.
>
> In RS, the DV for each stat is a number between 0 and 31. The higher the
> DV, the better the stat will be. However, this isn't the only thing that
> affects the stat - it's just a starting point.
>
> There is also what's now known as EV - Effort Value. Whenever you defeat
an
> opponent, you will get Effort Value (or stat experience) as well as level
> experience. What you fight will determine the type of EV you receive.
> Defeat a Magikarp, and your Defense stat gets a boost. Defeat an
Electrode,
> and your Speed will get a boost. Defeat a Chansey, and your HP will get a
> boost. Some creatures will give two different types of EV at the same
time,
> but never more than two.

I have a table. Here are the mixed EVs:

Mixed EV Table
--------------

# English Name Jp Name HP Atk Def Spd Sp.Atk Sp.Def

200 Rayquaza Rekkuuza - 2 - -
-
186 Kingdra Kingudora - 1 - -
1 1
195 Registeel Rezusuchiru - - 2 - -
1
118 Flygon Furaigon - 1 -
- -
149 Dusclops Samayooru - - 1 - -
2

62 Delcatty Enekororo 1 - -
1 - -
107 Muk Betobeton 1
- - - -
179 Relianth Jiiransu 1 -
- - -
5 Combusken Wakashamo - 1 - -
1 -
68 Sableye Yamirami - 1
1 - - -
69 Mawile Kuchiito - 1
1 - - -
102 Camerupt Bakuuda - 1 - -
1 -
117 Vibrava Biburaaba - 1 -
1 - -
120 Cacturne Nokutasu - 1 - -
1 -
124 Seviper Habuneeku - 1 - -
1 -
166 Donphan Donfan - 1
- - -
177 Huntail Hanteeru - 1
- - -
148 Duskull Yomawaru - -
1 - - 1
180 Corsola Saniigo - -
1 - - 1
185 Seadra Shiidora - - 1 -
1 -
154 Ninetales Kyuukon - - -
1 - 1
163 Xatu Neiteio - - - 1
1 -
33 Masquerain Amemoosu - - - - 1
1
151 Chimecho Chiriin - - - -
1 1

# English Name Jp Name HP Atk Def Spd Sp.Atk Sp.Def

> Each stat can only be boosted by up to 255 EVs, and then the stat will be
at
> its highest possible for that individual Pokémon. However, the Pokémon
can
> only receive up to 510 EVs for all the stats combined. This means you can
> only ever have two max stats on any given Pokémon.

They made the 510 EV cap to make everything more variable. In RBY (and GSC)
every poke could have every stat up to 255 EVs.

> Oh, and by the way, both DVs and EVs are invisible numbers, so the only
way
> to know them is to work them out. A Pokémon caught in the wild, bought
from
> Game Corner or received from an in-game character, will have no EVs, so if
> you care enough, you can track the amount they receive by finding a list
of
> how many and what kind of EV you receive from every opponent defeated.

Please let me know how the table came out, and if you want the rest of it, I
can post it, but I got it from the web somewhere (meowth346 maybe?), so you
can search it out just as (probably more) easily.

daramark
Anonymous
September 30, 2004 6:47:48 AM

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Jim Haidle wrote:

> "DeepThought" <deep.42.thought@gmailEARTH.com> wrote in message
> news:D 9j6d.5052$r%4.2889@trndny05...
> > Jim Haidle <dynatok@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi guys. I read frequently about the genetic factor in Pokemon, but
> >> as yet I do not understand this concept. What exactly is it, how
> >> does it affect them, and is it passed on through breeding? What's
> >> the inside scoop on this?
> >
> > Calling it "genetic" is a bit of a leap... a pokemon's varible stats are
> > programmed code, and very limited.
>
> Okay, I think some places call it DV (deter value). I see it mentioned by
> both names in the various formularies on the web, but I have no real
> explainations of this factor. They often link it with the "Box Trick".
>
> >I think what you might be talking about
> > are Egg Moves-- bred pokemon can be taught moves that their parents know,
> > that their species wouldn't normally know.
> >
> > Other bits of the parent's code (like stats) are passed along as well.
> >
> Okay, let's talk about that. Let's say that a Pokemon species has a max of
> 300 HP, and that poke A has a max HP value of 250 and breeds with poke B
> with a max HP value of 280. What does this do to the offspring's max HP
> value?
>
> I think this might be getting too involved for my purposes ... I need to
> streamline this process somehow.

The way I heard it is that the tm moves from the male can go to the baby and
the stat increass that the mom has effects the babys stats.
over many breadings you can get a baby that has higher stats then anything that
you can find in the game. But the game does not allow insest so you need many
breaders to get better pokemon.
The females being the main problum. as you max out the female on stat bosters
like iron and you get a second generation and then later you breed this one if
it is female after maxing it out and it will give you a 3 generation one. They
each are a little better then the last one but wount be able to do any breading
with anything that is in there famly tree. I don't know how lond you can do
this.
But useing dittos don't quite work the same as there are always the ones that
gives the stats and they may have drasticly diffrent stats then you are after.
But this is what i did in siliber and gold before I lost my sight.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Anonymous
October 1, 2004 11:35:40 AM

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daramark wrote:
>
> They made the 510 EV cap to make everything more variable. In RBY (and GSC)
> every poke could have every stat up to 255 EVs.

Actually, in RBY/GSC the maximum effort/stat exp was 65,536 in each
stat. The amount of effort you got from beating a Pokemon was equal to
the victim's base stats (eg. a Chansey would give you 250 HP, 5 Att, 50
Speed, etc).

-- White Cat
http://pokedex.kary.ca/
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 6:43:53 AM

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"White Cat" <white_cat59@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> They made the 510 EV cap to make everything more variable. In RBY (and
>> GSC)
>> every poke could have every stat up to 255 EVs.
>
> Actually, in RBY/GSC the maximum effort/stat exp was 65,536 in each stat.
> The amount of effort you got from beating a Pokemon was equal to the
> victim's base stats (eg. a Chansey would give you 250 HP, 5 Att, 50 Speed,
> etc).

So does that mean HP tended to max out on stat experience quicker than the
others? I mean, Chansey obviously makes the gap much more clear, but pretty
much all Pokémon have a higher HP base stat than the others, simply because
HP is normally a higher number.

If the maximum is the same for HP as it is for all others, will it max out
quicker?

--
Steffan Alun

http://iceduck.pkmn.co.uk/ - my site
http://www.pkmn.co.uk/ - want Pokeyman?

Sapphire PokéDex: 201

LeafGreen PokéDex: 35
Anonymous
October 5, 2004 10:07:41 AM

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STEFFAN HEDD ALUN wrote:
> >
> > Actually, in RBY/GSC the maximum effort/stat exp was 65,536 in each stat.
> > The amount of effort you got from beating a Pokemon was equal to the
> > victim's base stats (eg. a Chansey would give you 250 HP, 5 Att, 50 Speed,
> > etc).
>
> So does that mean HP tended to max out on stat experience quicker than the
> others? I mean, Chansey obviously makes the gap much more clear, but pretty
> much all Pokémon have a higher HP base stat than the others, simply because
> HP is normally a higher number.
>
> If the maximum is the same for HP as it is for all others, will it max out
> quicker?

No, because the stat exp gain is taken from the *base* stats, which are
roughly the same for HP as for the other stats. It's the in-game stats
(after they've been run through the stat formula) that HP becomes
higher, due to having a different formula than the others.

I've got charts of all the base stats on my site (links below), although
they only list the final evolutions. HP actually averages somewhat
lower than most other stats...

http://pokedex.kary.ca/rbyrank.txt
http://pokedex.kary.ca/gscrank.txt
http://pokedex.kary.ca/rsrank.txt

-- White Cat
http://pokedex.kary.ca/
Anonymous
October 6, 2004 1:15:39 AM

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"White Cat" <white_cat59@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> If the maximum is the same for HP as it is for all others, will it max
>> out quicker?
>
> No, because the stat exp gain is taken from the *base* stats, which are
> roughly the same for HP as for the other stats. It's the in-game stats
> (after they've been run through the stat formula) that HP becomes higher,
> due to having a different formula than the others.

Ah, right. Must've been seeing the extraneous variable that is Chansey's
stats that confused me.

> I've got charts of all the base stats on my site (links below), although
> they only list the final evolutions. HP actually averages somewhat lower
> than most other stats...

Noted. I guess that's because fewer Pokémon are noted for their high HP
than other stats.

--
Steffan Alun

http://iceduck.pkmn.co.uk/ - my site
http://www.pkmn.co.uk/ - want Pokeyman?

Sapphire PokéDex: 201

LeafGreen PokéDex: 75
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