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March 5, 2007 7:43:02 PM

purchase?

Going to purchase one of these 2 HP desktop computers this week at Circuit City and would like to know what everyone thinks would be the better machine?


HP Pavilion Desktop PC (A1730N)

•AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
•320GB hard drive
•LightScribe-enabled •2GB of DDR2 memory
•Burns DVDs and CDs
•Windows Vista Home Premium

Or

HP Pavilion Media Center Desktop PC (A1740N)

•Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
•320GB hard drive
•LightScribe-enabled •2GB of DDR2 memory
•Burns DVDs and CDs
•Windows Vista Home Premium

Having trouble deciding between the AMD or Intel machine.

Please give me your opinions as to which would be the better computer?

Thank You..

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March 5, 2007 8:30:15 PM

The E6300 machine will perform better in most any task. Please uninstall all the bloatware the moment you get it...or even a clean install if you can...I'll sleep better.
March 5, 2007 8:34:09 PM

Well, if (as it seems since you have chosen a HP), you're not interested in overclocking, those CPUs perform pretty much the same way so you can ask for further opinions, flip a coin or throw dice; whichever you get will make a robust home PC. I am sitting on a 4600+ clocked 4200+ and it feels like nothing before, especiallyy if you never had a dual core before :wink:
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March 5, 2007 9:28:12 PM

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The E6300 machine will perform better in most any task. Please uninstall all the bloatware the moment you get it...or even a clean install if you can...I'll sleep better.


The AMD is listed at 2.4 GHz and the Intel is listed at 1.9GHz.

Will the Intel will still be faster then the 2.4 AMD?
March 5, 2007 9:35:06 PM

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The E6300 machine will perform better in most any task. Please uninstall all the bloatware the moment you get it...or even a clean install if you can...I'll sleep better.
I disagree.
The 4600+ will outperform the E6300 in most benchmarks and real-world apps.
The C2D are 20% faster in average, than the K8.
1866MHz * 1.2 = 2239MHz
2400MHz > 2239MHz

Here is a list of Core2 Duo benchmarks, and a comparison of C2D vs K8:
AnandTech- http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795
Bit Tech - http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/07/14/intel_core_2_duo_processors/1.html
ByteSector - http://www.bytesector.com/data/bs-article.asp?id=661
Chile Hardware - http://www.chilehardware.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=hardware_reviews&file=200607131
Club IC - http://www.clubic.com/article-36354-1-le-pentium-laisse-la-place-intel-core-2-duo.html
Computer Base - http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/prozessoren/2006/test_intel_core_2_extreme_x6800/
Digit Life - http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-core2-duo-e6600.html
Extreme Tech - http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1989036,00.asp
Firing Squad - http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_performance/
GD Hardware - http://www.gdhardware.com/hardware/cpus/intel/conroe/X6800_E6700/001.htm
GotFrag - http://hardware.gotfrag.com/portal/story/33492/
Guru3D - http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=185555
HardOCP - http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEwOCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
Hardware Secrets - http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/348
HardwareZone - http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/articles/view.php?cid=2&id=1980
Hardware.fr - http://www.hardware.fr/articles/633-1/express-core-2-duo-p965-vs-i975x.html
Hexus - http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6184
Hot Hardware - http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=845&cid=1
Legion Hardware - http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=569
Legit Reviews - http://www.legitreviews.com/article/362/1/
MadBox PC - http://www.madboxpc.com/contenido.php?id=2394
Mad Shrimps - http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=470
Maximo PC - http://www.maximopc.org/articulos/intel_core_2_duo_review_parte_1.html
NeoSeeker - http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/core2duo_e6700/
OCAU - http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=489587
OC Workbench - http://www.ocworkbench.com/2006/intel/core2duo/g1.htm
PC Perspective - http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=272
Phoronix - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=512&num=1
Planet X64 - http://www.planetx64.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=283&Itemid=14
Sharky Extreme - http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3620036
Sim HQ - http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_090a.html
Tech Report - http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/core2/index.x?pg=1
Tom's Hardware - http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/
Trusted Reviews - http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3161
TweakTown - http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/923/
Xbit Labs - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html

You'll find there E6300 vs 4600 benchmarks for sure. Also you can check out TG interactive CPU charts.
March 5, 2007 10:09:04 PM

Well he could check toms hardware cpu chart but there is no 6300 on there. But I would suggest getting the 6300 machine as you can always upgrade it later.
March 5, 2007 10:37:38 PM

Ajfink---Great suggestion. When ever a friend or family member gets a name brand computer I always go through and get rid of all the crap that is running in the backround.
March 5, 2007 10:38:46 PM

My opinion would be to get whichever is cheapest. The AMD one would probably be a bit faster in stock form. I've got a couple friends who own HP's, and so can say from experince that they are a pain to upgrade at best, and not upgradeable at all in many cases. Unless they've changed the way they design their BIOS, no overclocking is possible, so don't count on that helping the Intel psu..
March 5, 2007 11:07:46 PM

Quote:
Well, if (as it seems since you have chosen a HP), you're not interested in overclocking, those CPUs perform pretty much the same way so you can ask for further opinions, flip a coin or throw dice; whichever you get will make a robust home PC. I am sitting on a 4600+ clocked 4200+ and it feels like nothing before, especiallyy if you never had a dual core before :wink:


Did you say toss a coin? Prepare for flames even though you're right.
a c 140 à CPUs
a b α HP
March 5, 2007 11:37:40 PM

Yeah.....the A64 will be faster in that case....as a plus side hps run cool and verrrry quiet....as long as the hard drive is not churning away....

also take into consideration the video difference....

and YES....uninstall all the extra stuff you get with it.....
March 5, 2007 11:43:43 PM

If you look at it that way, you'll lose your mind when you see what gODJO recommended. :wink: :p  :) 
March 5, 2007 11:44:48 PM

No one's going to flame him... the two processors are very close, and overclocking is out of the question. The system prices are probably identical, too.

The difference between right and wrong here is a matter of fact regarding what the benchmarks say.

Some will suggest to support the underdog and go with AMD when it's a close call, so that we have more balanced competition. That's an opinion, of course.
March 6, 2007 12:27:16 AM

I'd go for the cheaper since basically there's no way to really improve either machine's CPU performance.

From what I saw on Froggle - Curcuit City:

A1740N

Intel setup: 899

A1730N

Amd setup: 799
March 6, 2007 12:34:39 AM

The AMD is cheaper this week (CC's website is showing $100 spread).

All things considered, $ talks, and performance wise neither unit is going to run away from the other. IF performance is nearly the same (or within 10%) then cost versus performance must be considered at which point the AMD is a better bang for the lower buck.

So buy the AMD.

Or, better yet, buy the Intel and help the value of my mutual fund grow.
March 6, 2007 2:21:26 AM

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But I would suggest getting the 6300 machine as you can always upgrade it later.
You can upgrade the 4600+ sAM2 machine also. :wink:
March 6, 2007 2:10:44 PM

Bottom Line, which of these two processors is the better one?

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+

or

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300

What Ya Think?
March 6, 2007 2:39:38 PM

I have two dell computers in my house. One just normal one used for email work etc.. since it was quiet I bought an XPS which is their top of the line gaming line computers.

If hp is anything like dell you'll find that you cannot upgrade the computer very much leading to you being forced to buying a new computer next time you wish to upgrade.

For cheap low end computers you can't bet Dell or HP but for around 900-1200 you can build one much better than what they offer for half of what they ask.
March 6, 2007 2:46:10 PM

Overall, the 4600+ has a slight edge over the E6300 and potentially a longer and beter upgrade path with K10 CPUs to come.
March 6, 2007 2:54:21 PM

Quote:
Bottom Line, which of these two processors is the better one?

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+

or

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300

What Ya Think?


Depends.

If your using the CPU on a MB that can not Over clock, the X2 4600+ is a better buy.

If your running a MB that has good OC'ing abilities, with the right parts, the E6300 can reach speeds of the E6800, or surpass FX60-62 performance. Then the E6300 would be a better buy.
March 6, 2007 2:57:32 PM

I'd recommend getting the C2D if you plan to upgrade down the road to say maybe a E6600 or 6700 once the price goes down.

And like the other said, HP (and all those guys) load a slew of "Craplets" I just ordered and setup one for a friend's mom and I'm suprised at the amount of crap they load up that's suppose to be a "Value added" service.

Who the F88K needs a link to ebay and vonage loaded on their system ? On boot I had 58 processes running, when a clean install of vista will have about 35-38. And I couldn't find anything worth keeping, so I removed it all.

Here's a screenshot of a new HP system on boot. I don't hate HP or anything, as they all do it. I just want to kill the people in charge who somehow think this is a value added service.

On another side note, I just read an article by Alex St John in CPU magazine where he is hating on Microsoft and defending the OEMs who do this. Microsoft referred to it has loading crapplets and he took issue with that. Though his main complaint stems from he makes money off the Wildtangent games. I don't overly love Microsoft, but I have to agree with them for wanting to stop the OEMS from loading all this crap on a system.

Oh yeah, I would encourage you to actually call HP and demand to get an actual Vista Install DVD from there. Dell charges $20 for it and I don't trust those system recovery disk (like when the drive dies). Scream loud enough and threaten to buy a Dell and you'll get it.
March 6, 2007 3:02:51 PM

Will HP send me the actual Vista disc for free?

Also how do you get rid of all that crap?

Most of it is not in the uninstall programs area?
March 6, 2007 3:43:00 PM

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My opinion would be to get whichever is cheapest. The AMD one would probably be a bit faster in stock form. I've got a couple friends who own HP's, and so can say from experince that they are a pain to upgrade at best, and not upgradeable at all in many cases. Unless they've changed the way they design their BIOS, no overclocking is possible, so don't count on that helping the Intel psu..


Excellent point. My HP computer came with a 300W PSU and I suspect I'll need to replace it if I want to add a serious graphics card. The integrated NVidia graphics are great for movies and SimCity but not for serious games. Overclocking would also require a better PSU and better cooling (if possible at all, I haven't tried). Adding things to it is going to be a pain: one PCI-E x16 slot, so no SLI. One slot for a new hard disk, plus their proprietary Personal Media Drive slot which is just wasting a lot of space.
And yes, tons of software garbage. I especially hate that it didn't come with a Windows DVD - what do I do if I have a problem, restore from the backup DVD and get all that garbage installed again???

The good news is that it cost half of what a custom PC with about the same specifications would have cost in the same city. It's fast and pretty quiet. It's got a decent tuner card that wasn't even listed on the web page. The integrated audio is good enough for me, but you'll probably want a sound card and you may not have a free PCI slot for it - check before buying.
Do get an HP computer if you can live with these limitations.
March 6, 2007 3:49:16 PM

Youll be getting a oem version of vista, so no cds. You will be able to uninstall all the crapware you dont want or need. And upgrade limitations are for mobos only. You can upgrade psu, graphics and cpu. Not sure but Im betting youll have a few open pci slots as well if you want a sound card, tv tuner etc. All things being equal go amd if its cheaper. If your mobo is atx you shouldnt have any upgrade problems
March 6, 2007 4:22:45 PM

Free ? I dunno, because I didn't get to scream at the HP sales person. If you are not a screamer, then you probably won't get it. Because if you ask nicely, they will say no. But I've heard from a few people that said, you just have to insist and point out that Dell says on their website you can have a Disc for $20 (though they call it a recovery CD, so it may not be much better than what you get). If nothing else, you knew someone with the Vista DVD you could make a copy of it and use it with your Serial key that will be stickered on the side. Why HP\Dell\others don't send a disc is beyond me, I mean what's it cost $2 ? I personally think they don't want people wiping the system and getting ride of all the crapplets

I was able to un-install everything from the Programs add\remove section. It's just annoying to me.

Though it doesn't come with a PCI-Express 6 plug, you can get a convertor for a few bucks off newegg. I've added a X850 to a older system (a1114n) I got for my stepson and I put my X1900XTX in this one (a1750y) and ran some Doom3, FEAR and 3dMark06 benchmarks, system seem to be fine with the X1900XTX card in, though it's a bit of a tight squeeze.
March 6, 2007 4:45:04 PM

Have you checked out Best Buy?? No mail-in rebates...(assuming that CC has them)
March 6, 2007 4:50:21 PM

Choose the cheaper one. x2 4600+ and E6300 are similar in performance.

I expect you will not upgrade your computer :wink:
March 6, 2007 4:59:08 PM

Hooterville,

Given the specs are somewhat similar the price of the machines then comes into play.

I have not seen YOU respond as to the price of the machines. I have seen others speculate on which machines you are looking at but they may or may not be correct.

Let us know which specific model number and price for each and we can likely help you more. If it is true that the Intel box is $100.00 more I would recommend the AMD box.
March 6, 2007 5:42:59 PM

My apologies,

I seemed to have missed the model numbers in the post!
March 6, 2007 5:59:16 PM

Looking at the price and specs of the two machines I would have to say go with the AMD.

Please be advised that BOTH machines are using partially shared video memory. If you are intending on purchasing these machines for gaming you will likely need to rethink the video subsystem (Depending on the game of course).

I know this has not yet been posted but for the sake of information you may be able to better doing it yourself.

The $300.00 emachines and the like are tough to beat in a "build it yourself environment. But in this case you are looking at spending $750 - $850 dollars. You can probably do a lot better for yourself with a build.

I do realize that Brick and Mortar stores offer you something most online vendors can't (0% financing for 12/18/24 months). But if you can afford the price up front a build is likely the best way to go.

Even if you do not build it yourself. Pay a bud with a six pack (after the build ;) ) to come over and build it for/with ya!

What are your intentions for usage of this purchase??
March 6, 2007 5:59:57 PM

I was leaning towards the Intel one as I have always had Intel computers and I don't think you will see that much of a difference in performance between the two?

The intel is $100. more but it's not a big deal.

Can you upgrade the CPU on a OEM HP Computer?
March 6, 2007 6:27:46 PM

Hooterville,

Many OEM PCs are what we call proprietary.

What that means is the vendor often builds as much into the motherboard as possible but restricts your capabilities to a point where it is convenient for THEM to correct any issues or THEM to perform an upgrade.

For instance many of the aftermarket motherboards will easily allow you to upgrade to a new processor and may only require a BIOS flash (or maybe nothing at all). But in some OEMs even the same class of CPUs, like swapping a E6300 for a E6400 will not work sometimes.

The system is setup to a minimum which suits the OEM not the customer.

The integrated part is what worries me most about many OEM PCs. An integrated video card with shared system memory can be slow at best.
March 6, 2007 6:32:22 PM

Hooterville,

Be advised that you can scavange parts for another machine later but do not look to use THAT machine as the base.

For instance, You will likely need to get another MB, possibly a case (based upon some OEMs I have seen), very likely a new PSU for your new case...

You may however be able to use things like the memory (DDR2 may be phasing out when DDR3 comes on board), the hard drive, keyboard, mouse, monitor, ...

So it may not be a total loss. Others that have told you that the AMD has a better upgrade path are going purely on speculation. Just like people would be speculating if they thought the Penryn processor would drop into the intel system.
March 6, 2007 6:54:20 PM

Hooter,

Are you against doing your own build?

Never have done a build?

Many on this site would be glad to help you remotely if you were to take this on.

Still no substitute for an on site person that has accomplished a build before.

But we can help..

You might find that you get much better bang for your buck.
March 6, 2007 7:28:44 PM

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Normally no you can not upgrade the cpu or much of anything else. That is why I suggested the AMD system. It is a faster system, costs less, and has better video. The AMD version is a better system.


Are you guys speaking from experience ? I've not had any problems upgrading CPUs in OEM boxes. Back in the day, I upgraded my dell P2-450 to a 1GHz, Aslo had 512MB of ram, when they said only 384 was supported.

I've upgrade my brother and his friend's Compaq PCs from 1.7s to 2.4Ghz (which was the highest the the 400MHz FSB chips went). I've added sounds cards, Video cards and the whole mess to Dell\Compaq\HP PCs.

HP even has directions on their website on how to upgrade everything, to include the CPU
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph...

The $600 HP I bought last year, comes with a 3400+ 939 chip and supports all the 939 chips. I can upgrade at will, just like any other motherboard
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00...

Sure you can't overclock, and I don't blame an OEM for limiting that, I wouldn't want people frying the CPU and asking me for a new one either.

I think some of you guys are reaching back to the old Compaq and Packard Bell days when things were truly "specialized". The AMD system that I got for the stepson uses a MSI motherboard and the new Intel system uses an ASUS, Pretty standard stuff, save the BIOS changes to lock people out of the overclocking.

Note, I don't buy OEM PCs for myself, I build my own. But every now and then a system comes along that the price is right and it's $200-400 cheaper to buy it over building one. Especially for a 14 and a 10 year old or my Mom, who's most advance game is Mahjong.

If you're not looking for cutting edge gaming system, OEM PCs have a place, as long as they are cheaper than building one. Not to mention, OEMs tend to have better warranty's for those that aren't good with fixing it themselves
March 6, 2007 7:39:35 PM

Mad,

I have owned and maintained many OEM PCs over the years (only one personally a compaq with AMD 900mhz).

Many have had issues with CPU upgrades. Video card upgrades have also been a challenge at times. As it turns out some of the MBs left resources used even after the onboard was disabled. Have found some onboard sound card changes were difficult as well. Again problems with persistent resources upon disabling on-board device.

So mostly CPU and Video upgrades for me. Many companies offer information stating what you CAN upgrade to. Getting ahold of a BIOS that actually lets you is sometimes a different thing.

Gateway got really bad there for a while.

Did not say that things like sound cards or memory was that hard. Usually (now a days) they are not hard at all. I have also run into the proprietary PSU instance as well. PSU dies and standard PSU will not FIT.

That is all...
March 6, 2007 7:46:56 PM

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Normally no you can not upgrade the cpu or much of anything else. That is why I suggested the AMD system. It is a faster system, costs less, and has better video. The AMD version is a better system.


Are you guys speaking from experience ? I've not had any problems upgrading CPUs in OEM boxes. Back in the day, I upgraded my dell P2-450 to a 1GHz, Aslo had 512MB of ram, when they said only 384 was supported.

I've upgrade my brother and his friend's Compaq PCs from 1.7s to 2.4Ghz (which was the highest the the 400MHz FSB chips went). I've added sounds cards, Video cards and the whole mess to Dell\Compaq\HP PCs.

HP even has directions on their website on how to upgrade everything, to include the CPU
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph...

The $600 HP I bought last year, comes with a 3400+ 939 chip and supports all the 939 chips. I can upgrade at will, just like any other motherboard
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00...

Sure you can't overclock, and I don't blame an OEM for limiting that, I wouldn't want people frying the CPU and asking me for a new one either.

I think some of you guys are reaching back to the old Compaq and Packard Bell days when things were truly "specialized". The AMD system that I got for the stepson uses a MSI motherboard and the new Intel system uses an ASUS, Pretty standard stuff, save the BIOS changes to lock people out of the overclocking.

Note, I don't buy OEM PCs for myself, I build my own. But every now and then a system comes along that the price is right and it's $200-400 cheaper to buy it over building one. Especially for a 14 and a 10 year old or my Mom, who's most advance game is Mahjong.

If you're not looking for cutting edge gaming system, OEM PCs have a place, as long as they are cheaper than building one. Not to mention, OEMs tend to have better warranty's for those that aren't good with fixing it themselves
I agree. Both Dell and HP release bios updates frequently now to support new processors. Both of which have windows based bios updates that even the biggest noob can handle.

No problems upgrading any recent cpu's on HP systems here. Especially not since HP switched to mostly Asus boards.

...
900mhz a recent OEM PC?
March 6, 2007 7:48:30 PM

"over the years" is what I said I believe ;) 
March 6, 2007 7:50:32 PM

I had a nightmarish flashback. Dont do that!!!! :lol: 

@Hooterville
Similar performance and unlikely to overclock on OEM platform, then the cheapest solution is the best choice. You could reinvest the saved $100 into some updates, a couple of games, some nice peripherals, etc.
March 6, 2007 7:56:20 PM

My most recent dealings with OEM vendor (wont mention their name but it starts with a D and ends with an ell) are their small form factor desktops.

NOT A GOOD THING!! PSUs are definitely proprietary/bad!!!
March 6, 2007 7:59:06 PM

I completely agree there. The OEM SFF's all suck!!! :!: :!: :!: :!:

They all need to get some sort of agreement going with Shuttle or the likes so they can get those SFF's built right.
March 6, 2007 7:59:17 PM

By the way that 900Mhz T-Bird was fast for its time! :) 
March 6, 2007 8:02:23 PM

I recall giving a 900mhz Duron Compaq box to a brother back then.

As you can tell that brother wasnt exactly on the good list that year. :D 
March 6, 2007 8:03:55 PM

Mine went to my church and is used to serve powerpoint to the projector to this day!! It was an upgrade from the previous machine 8O 8O 8O
March 6, 2007 8:05:02 PM

Back On Topic ;) 

Are you against doing your own build Hooterville?
March 6, 2007 8:11:45 PM

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Mad,

I have also run into the proprietary PSU instance as well. PSU dies and standard PSU will not FIT.

That is all...


Now I will support you on that one. I got bit by a old Compaq PC and that ugly a$$ case they had for a while. I was trying to change out the mobo and it had a 24pin PSU connect and the Intel mobo only had a 20pin. Not a problem, I said I'd change the PSU out as well and that's where I got bit, as none of the 3 PSU I had would fit into that case, which I swear was designed just to keep me from swapping out the PSU. And Compaq wanted something like $200 for a 20pin PSU that fit the case. Which is about where I learned to really hate Compaq

But that has changed, my other friend had a older 2GHz intel Compaq box where the mobo died and we were able to drop a Intel i848 mobo in and it all fit and worked fine

I could understand if someone spent alot of time working with e-machines, though I haven't touched one of those in years, though things were unbelievable pieces of crap back in teh day. But hey, they were $300-400, so what do you expect ?

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recall giving a 900mhz Duron Compaq box to a brother back then

We must shop at the same store, I bought my mom a 700Mhz duron and she used it up until it died last year, at which time I bought her a new one (a $500 HP system, E-mail and Mahjong fly now!)
March 6, 2007 8:39:45 PM

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Hooter,

Have you looked at this one?

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-Pavilion-Media-Center-TV-PC-M7750N/sem/rpsm/oid/171277/catOid/-12962/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

HP Pavilion Media Center m7750n TV PC

It has the AMD 5000+ with the Nvidia graphics (still shared), 400gb HD and is only 819.00

Also has the tuner built in....

Web Only deal though!!


Yea, This one looks pretty interesting.

I guess it would be faster/Better then the 2 I was looking at?

I don't want to build my own computer, it's just one for my Wife to play around with at home.
March 6, 2007 9:06:10 PM

Hooter,

I took the liberty to look around at the Big Box stores and that deal I linked to looks to be the best deal in the 700 - 1000 range.

I tried BB (Ewww), CC (was good, now getting like BB with Restocking fees), Office M/D, Staples, Wally World, Sams, Target,....

SO far the linked to PC seems to be the best deal.

One thing of note: Nearly all the vendors carrying the HP line have identical model numbers across the board. This is a change since the last time I looked. Used to be the model number and machine would change per store. This was nuts because you had to look EVERYWHERE and at every single machine to find the best deal. Now just look who has the best deal on this model number. Gotta like that!!
March 6, 2007 10:07:53 PM

Both systems CPU's are about equal but the intergrated GPU on the AMD is the best choice. You will have to check Intels website for every program you buy just to see if the integrated 945g is compatable. On the AMD system the Nvidia 6150le, while both are slow, compatability is expected.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00...

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00...
Its one thing to be slow and another to just not work so check Intels 945g compatability list. This is an old list so guess how many red dots you see on new games. Intel video drivers stinks.
http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intel945g/sb/...
March 6, 2007 11:23:24 PM

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Both systems CPU's are about equal but the intergrated GPU on the AMD is the best choice. You will have to check Intels website for every program you buy just to see if the integrated 945g is compatable. On the AMD system the Nvidia 6150le, while both are slow, compatability is expected.
Intel video drivers stinks.


I would hope that the he's not going to stick with that video card. The system I got is a E4300 with a 7300LE, which stands for Loser Edition. It's horrible. It plays Doom3 on low settings at about 35-40fps, with alot of slow downs into the 20s. It for whatever reason won't complete the 3dmark06 benchmark, as it errors out along the way (I've tried with 2 different set of drivers).
The 7300LE is fine to have for Vista Aero support and play the 3D mahjong, but it just sucks. I can't imagine the 6150LE being any better.

Just to make sure there was nothing wrong with the system, I popped in both a 6600GT card (with the 101.41 drivers) and my X1900XTX card (7.2 drivers) and FEAR, Doom3 and 3dmark06 run fine, but with a lowly score of 1391. The 6600GT isn't that great of a card, but much better than the 7300LE, as it would at least finish the 3dmark06 test. With the 1900XTX it scores a respectable 5685

Hopefully, you have another $100 available to at least get something like a X1600 Pro or 7600GS
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