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AMD Opteron Dual-Core 165 1.80GHz - report your experience

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March 6, 2007 2:45:37 AM

Since AMD changes sockets more then my 16 year does girls - i am stuck with some 939 mobos and no supply of fx-60's. tiger is out!

will the opteron work as a good replacement and overclock to 2.6ghz or more? any feedback from opteron users is appreciated!

since these are gaming systems anyone use this 1.8ghz chip in a gaming system.


This is the better choice:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0GHz / 1MB Cache / 1000MHz (2000 MT/s) FSB / Dual-Core (Manchester) / OEM / Socket 939 / Processor


fx-60 back up at tiger for $350 but no more free os now!
March 6, 2007 3:17:03 AM

I have a opteron 165 in my system now. I've got it over clocked to 2.8 on mid range air cooling. Idle temp is around 29-33 (room temp is 73f) and max temp I have hit was 55.
vCore is 1.392
bus speed is 312
HT link is running at 1250
March 6, 2007 4:00:49 AM

your 16 year old doesnt do girls much then :roll:
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March 6, 2007 4:50:22 AM

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Since AMD changes sockets more then my 16 year does girls - i am stuck with some 939 mobos and no supply of fx-60's. tiger is out!

will the opteron work as a good replacement and overclock to 2.6ghz or more? any feedback from opteron users is appreciated!

since these are gaming systems anyone use this 1.8ghz chip in a gaming system.


This is the better choice:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0GHz / 1MB Cache / 1000MHz (2000 MT/s) FSB / Dual-Core (Manchester) / OEM / Socket 939 / Processor

The Optrons run at lower voltage and always tend to OC better than the same speed (in Ghz) desktops.

I don't know what the prices are today for the 165 and 3800+ so I can't say what would give the best bang-per-buck if you bought them this week.

The average OC on stock volts and cooler for an Optron 165 is 2.7Ghz and with just a -very- slight bump in volts some people have pushed the 2.8+ range (non-stock cooler).

Visit http://www.diy-street.com/forum/index.php (new URL for the DFI-Street website) for ram settings and other info for both the 3800+ and 165/170.
March 6, 2007 5:30:56 AM

Thank you! nice reply i really appreciate it!

the price is $185 for the 1.8ghz opteron and $100 for 2.2ghz x2 3800+
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will the opteron game like an fx-60 at a simiar speed?
March 6, 2007 5:47:59 AM

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Thank you! nice reply i really appreciate it!

the price is $185 for the 1.8ghz opteron and $100 for 2.2ghz x2 3800+
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will the opteron game like an fx-60 at a simiar speed?


Opteron FTW!

Will game exactly like an FX-60 at similar speeds.
March 6, 2007 4:38:08 PM

is it basically the same chip, as the fx-60? what difference between a x2 3800+ and 1.8ghz opto

i can get the 3800+ for half the price so i am leaning that way
March 6, 2007 4:58:32 PM

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is it basically the same chip, as the fx-60? what difference between a x2 3800+ and 1.8ghz opto

i can get the 3800+ for half the price so i am leaning that way


The only difference between the 3800 and the opty 165 is that the Optys are higher quality chips (so should overclock better) as they are designed for 24/7 server use.
March 6, 2007 4:58:48 PM

Well, I've been pretty pleased with mine. It will OC to 2750 with no stability issues (and that's with air cooling, a Zalman 7000). I'm sure it could go a lot higher on a different board and with a better PSU, however. But I did check my stepping beforehand. Some steppings have gone 3.2ghz +, but some are dogs.
March 6, 2007 5:11:50 PM

I love my new Opty! I went for the 170 because I had been reading that it has better stepping than the 165. I am fully confident that my 170 can hit 3.0JigaHurts, but at 2.8 I am at 1.35vcore.
March 6, 2007 5:14:21 PM

Opterons are great, often just as good OCers as FX-60 levels or even higher, just google for some reviews around. I mean; 90nm K8s are good cores until near 3.0G. I have OCed my 4200+ to 2.52GHz on 1.35V.
March 6, 2007 5:53:42 PM

Thank you to all of you for the last 4 posts!
March 6, 2007 10:12:34 PM

I would say go for the opteron. You can OC it as high as a FX-60 will go (and get the same performance) for a lot less money. The x2 3800 isn't a bad chip by any measure, but it will not oc half as well as the opteron will.
March 6, 2007 10:20:43 PM

I got the opteron 175, unforetunately I can only get it up to 2.48 ghz stable. I'm wondering if it might be my power supply or motherboard hindering stability more then that. I'm not an extremely experienced overclocker but I honestly thought I would be able to get a bit more out of it.
March 6, 2007 10:22:56 PM

You must be having a problem some where other then the cpu, check your memory timings.
March 6, 2007 10:28:35 PM

I had the memory divider set down to a 5:6 I believe (DDR 333) and was less then 200mhz I bumped it back up and it's running at 206mhz fine with tight timings. The HT Link is set to 4x. I think I might try lowering everything overall except the bus and see how far I can push the motherboard to see how far I can get that, unforetunately I'm not sure how I should test my power supply to see if thats a problem.
March 6, 2007 10:28:43 PM

did u try more volts 1.4v is low????? is that low for amd? its low for intel
March 6, 2007 10:35:43 PM

upping the voltage didn't seem to help much, if anything I had more stability problems
March 6, 2007 10:43:47 PM

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I had the memory divider set down to a 5:6 I believe (DDR 333) and was less then 200mhz I bumped it back up and it's running at 206mhz fine with tight timings. The HT Link is set to 4x. I think I might try lowering everything overall except the bus and see how far I can push the motherboard to see how far I can get that, unforetunately I'm not sure how I should test my power supply to see if thats a problem.
Make sure you set the timings manually or on some mother boards they will be set too tight automatically when you raise the bus speed.

I had that problem on my old p4, when I tried to up the bus speed past 264 it would not even boot windows, but under 264 was completely stable. I finally figured out that when I put it at 265 or higher it would automatically tighten my memory timings past where they were even remotely stable, and that would stop it from booting windows.
March 6, 2007 10:49:48 PM

The memory SPD has the timings below spec for compatibility so I always have that on manual. however I relaxed them a bit while I overclocked so I don't really think it's memory related. I could be wrong but that doesn't seem to be the problem.
March 6, 2007 11:01:06 PM

Okay then it is most likely not memory, set your multi lower and see if you can get past what ever bus speed you were stuck at before.
March 6, 2007 11:08:29 PM

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The average OC on stock volts and cooler for an Optron 165 is 2.7Ghz and with just a -very- slight bump in volts some people have pushed the 2.8+ range (non-stock cooler).


Bummed... I have tried with two Opterons overclocking, a 170 and a 175... the 175 water cooled... and would not rate the experience anywhere as fullfilling nor as durable as past Intel endeavors...
Neither would allow me past 2.7GHz stable, and I tried 3 different mobo's in total, with the Opteron 175 and A8R32-MVP finally crapping out by continually computing errors under stresstesting after one year of what I consider mildly overclocking, temps never even reaching 49C... errors continue even when stock clocked... :( 

Anywhoo... All is well now, that I have an E6600 purring sweetly now!!!
Not OC'd yet, but stock alone is far faster than AMD ever propelled me...
March 6, 2007 11:52:15 PM

Is the performance gain going from a opteron 175 to the E6600 really worth it? New ram, new motherboard plus the processor? It's something I've been considering lately but I just don't know if I can justify the cost. I'd also have a horrible time deciding what motherboard and RAM to buy for best overclocking results.
March 7, 2007 12:05:01 AM

I chose Asus's P5B Deluxe WiFi $200 an E6600 $300 and 2x1gig Corsair Dominator 1066 memory $300.
1M SuperPI in 22s at stock speed of 2.4GHz...
March 7, 2007 1:22:34 AM

The asus is kinda eh.. its picky bout the ram and lot of people have had some hell with it. Get a DFI board if you want to get the max out the opty. Try too look for a 165 with a stepping of ccbbe those have the highest ocs of all the opty's to date. 3ghz is possible on those.
March 7, 2007 2:09:01 AM

Rich! You're back. Welcome.
March 7, 2007 2:14:26 AM

Hey, i just bought my opty a couple months ago, and its a ccbbe 0617 and it ran at 3.0 mostly stable, need better cooling, but its running 2.8 perfect on my Zalman 9500 1.375 volts

Max Temp: 55
normal: 35-40

i upgraded from an X2 3800 to it and noticed a big difference once i OCed it, 3dmark went sky high.

In sisandra i score higher than the FX-62 on everything except memory bandwith.
March 7, 2007 2:44:17 AM

Quote:
Thank you! nice reply i really appreciate it!

the price is $185 for the 1.8ghz opteron and $100 for 2.2ghz x2 3800+
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will the opteron game like an fx-60 at a simiar speed?


Opteron FTW!

Will game exactly like an FX-60 at similar speeds.

Aye. QFT, as they say.

To report on experience with an Opteron 165, I had one in my primary rig a few months ago. Ran it very reliably at 2.610GHz (I tested it all the way up to about 2.745 -- that's 305*9), but it wasn't really stable at the temps and VCore I had put into it at the time. I think I ran the VCore at around 1.39V or thereabouts.

Great chip. Still have it, but I'm testing a couple of other Optys in my main rig at the moment.
March 7, 2007 4:41:55 AM

taco!

i make the best carne asada!
March 7, 2007 4:48:21 AM

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I chose Asus's P5B Deluxe WiFi $200 an E6600 $300 and 2x1gig Corsair Dominator 1066 memory $300.
1M SuperPI in 22s at stock speed of 2.4GHz...


wow should i install the p5b in the 939 or the e6600 in the 939 slot - i tried i added my omw pins and it smoked - dude this is an amd thread!

the p5b is not as good as the p5w-dh for this reason: crapy sound - i use the p5w-dh - it rocks because: its got good sound, dual lan and wireless you proably have the same, nifty remote i never ven hooled up but looks cool, the audio on the board is discrete it really sounds good wth vista better then xp suprisingly.

its got an e6300 at 2.8ghz i like it low, and crossfire 1950xtx- 4x 160 sata half in raid 10 with xp and half wth vista - corsair 3gigers dominex 4-4-4-12 ddr800...yaddaya...

back to 939's


i got 2 mobos i need to use and sell - i think i do one op and one x2
March 7, 2007 8:26:57 AM

Well, the trouble is that skt939 boards are becoming increasingly sparse in the marketplace, whcih is strange because they're not exactly out of date. The move to ddr2 on the am2 wasn't exactly a mind-blowing performance increase, and gains moving from my current setup to a core2duo setup still aren't so big as to make my computer obsolete.

An e6600 gets 2136 on CPU 3dmark06. (admittedly, this is stock) Mine gets just over 2000. Now, I'm not saying this is great, but it's not like I'm using a socket A or a pentium 4.

But if I were to buy another one now, the a8n32-sli does look pretty nice. It has passive cooling on the board, and 2 x16 pci lanes, and is a good OCer.
March 7, 2007 2:39:07 PM

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I got the opteron 175, unforetunately I can only get it up to 2.48 ghz stable. I'm wondering if it might be my power supply or motherboard hindering stability more then that. I'm not an extremely experienced overclocker but I honestly thought I would be able to get a bit more out of it.


I wouldn't doubt that it's the PSU causing the problem. It is certainly rated for a high enough wattage, but I have had issues with Antec PSUs in the past and have read about stability issues that others have had. I suggest for you to avoid Antec PSUs in the future. That chip should go higher, yet I had a 3200 that would not go above 2.3 and be stable. It sounds like you have covered all of your bases and you have already answered any questions that I might have. It may be a crappy overclocker or the PSU is not producing stable voltage.
March 7, 2007 7:56:09 PM

I was thinking of buying a DFI lanparty board anyway, I have an extra 939 processor sitting around and think I might replace replace an old socket a setup I still have running and buy a cheapo pci-e card to go with it.
March 7, 2007 8:01:20 PM

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possibly, but with opty's, they have almost all been excellent ocers, it seems like a mobo problem to me, most can at least hit 2.6


He should test your theory by reducing the CPU multiplier and raising the base clock.
March 8, 2007 3:59:27 AM

I have a 170 up to 2.89Ghz on air. Vcore is 1.435(i think) temps get up to around 57 at full load. Is that high for the voltage?
clock speed-321Mhz
I have A8N Sli Prem. Had to drop HT to 3X and Dram to 233mhz. CPU mult is 9X.

What make the C2D so much better? Sisoft gives the "intercore efficiency" a low rating for the Opteron, compared to C2D. Why?
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

Anyone want to buy a 4000+ clawhammer? 8) I paid about $400 for it a little over a year ago. This was before I new what 130nm meant.
March 8, 2007 4:09:55 AM

Thank you for your info!

well my e6300 i bought last aug runs 2.80ghz below 1.4v it runs 33c and around 38c at full load.

i paid less them $200 for this chip last year - competition is good - amd's new quad core should be really good. Too bad for intel that little software can use the 4 cores on the q series. Lucky for amd that software will probably catch up just when there new quad as out.

i never installed the x6800 for the upgrade the e6300 works so well - the only reason i am building these amd is the price - $185 for a opie or $100 for x2 - wow - how things have changed!

the loser here is the single core chips - check ebay - you can get systems so cheap now. Well thats the computer biz -- 18 months and its worthless!


i got $60,000 of us robotics total controls from our defunct dial up -- your for $500!
March 8, 2007 6:26:17 AM

So C2D runs cooler. Can it process more information faster? I have limited knowledge of how a processor works. All that MMX SSEE. . . 3Dnow whatever stuff makes my head hurt. Is there an easy way of saying why the C2D(let's say e6300) is better than Opteron 170?

I just got 8800GTS and I'm wondering if I am severly crippling it by runing with Opteron 170, my recent upgrade from the aforementioned 4000+ clawhammer. When I run 3DMark, most of the test get torn up by the 8800, but there is a test that says "CPU test" and I'm gettting 0 and 1 FPS for most of the test. My final 3DMark6 score is something like 8,500.

To go back to the original thread, would it be better to have upgraded my platform than to have done the CPU and Graphics card?
Is 939 really dying? Maybe.
March 8, 2007 2:49:26 PM

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So C2D runs cooler. Can it process more information faster? .


Yes, it can. If you look at the CPU charts over at www.tomshardware.com you will see that the E 6300 performs a lot better than the Opteron 170, and about on par to the FX62.
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