G84/G86 Tidbit

Apologies if this has been posted already.

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No HDCP and no native HDMI. WTF!!

damn technoligy :x

i just got an 8800 and havent even got a chance to mess with it much.
still using the dvi to rgb adaptor.

going to try direct dvi this weekend.

oh g.w. called me earlier, am going to meet him at a lan tommorow.

thats what im talking about.

dont know or think i can use it with a dvi to rgb adaptor.
i do have a dvi cable but it is on my hd tv and dont want
unhook it.

but im going get one from my moms house this weekend and try it.

Just not with Dual-Link!
HAha it sucks!

JK

Sparkle 80nm 7600GT fast runner
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] &Itemid=40

Yep, and with the external I/O module like the GF8800 it will be somewhat simple, but still more expensive per card than including it in the die. Overall nV would save money if they think a large enough number of users (greater than the majority IMO) won't care about HDCP/HDMI, which is likely the case.
Now they could simply return to the old method like ATi or the G72, but it is funny in light of their previous statments.

G84-P400 (8600GTS) will have HDCP and HDMI right away, and a later G84-305 will get it too.

Understand carefully, we get the 'selectivity' of HDCP, however you miss the PR crap of the previous generation as to HDCP, including the hyping of the GX2 being the first universal HDCP part, and this being the future of nV's products, which is obviously not the case.

Just like Dual-Link DVI in the past, how many people do you think are going to know which is which if all they have is a generic online description, similar to the issues with the GF7300/7600/7900GS-H versions, and ATi's selective X1300 and X1600s, with later integrated support in the X1650XT and X1950Pro/GT.

All the hype of the end of the last generation was HDCP, now the mid-range of the GF8600 turns it back into the 'supports HDCP' fiasco;

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] p_support/

It didn't really matter when the article was written, but now it's definitely becoming more relevant with the content being out there already.

Yeah, l know, it didn't matter last year when this story broke, but now, it's a big deal.

My personal nuisance on this is I can't get information from any of the laptop builders on which GFGO7600GS or GFGO7900GS they have in their rigs, and the level of HDCP support. Because I want external BLuRay and the Xbox HD-DVD, and they need HDCP chaing for full resolution playback. It's a pain to have to track this stuff, down and I know what I'm looking for, but the PR guys (especially HP and Gateway) just don't know crap about their hardware.

So I'd prefer to know all of XYZ supports HDCP rather than X, but not Y and Z and you guess which is which; therefore you have to hunt for support.

Soon find out if the 8800GTS can handle 38x10.

HDCP is bullshit anyway, along with the whole Protected Video Path crap.

We are being sold items on the basis of HDCP support, a "feature" that does not benefit us in any way, it benefits movie studios.

I'll be using my DVI repeater and/or AnyDVD HD to strip HDCP thanks

Anyone notice that the need for protected audio path drivers in vista has made Plantronics USB headsets sound like shit under vista? *Sigh* I dont even USE hd content and I'm screwed by hollywood.

wth! I wasnt invited?? your so fired! there's the door

g.w. broke my $hit

**he isnt around is he**

just hooked my computer up and got through with
yakin on the phone with m$=windows activation :x

i might have jarred my pc and fukced my hdd
leaving the lan party.

it appears to be dead :x

Ah OK, that's a good feature I hadn't seen in the description, real-time DRM suppression. The only thing that concerns me long term is the ability to change the encryption, so I'd still prefer the safety of HDCP enabled chip anyways. (Also the HDMI out is nice on the HPs). But it's good to know that it's no longer just stripping the AACS protection. I might buy the XboxDVD for this laptop then.

Well you can also back up BluRay, but I agree HD-DVD is doing well. The thing is Sony is low balling BR pricing and dumping availability, which is helping them somewhat. I keep an eye on this site every one in a while to get a feel for it all;

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

Sometimes, but it can also work against it depending on the model used, and what we're talking about. Sometimes good technology gets held back because of the fear of un checked piracy. The adoption of DVD burners increases, but it's not really a technology that was in need of a champion IMO.

I'm for freeing up the right of the people but I'm not a champion for pirates who've never bought a DVD in their life, nor would they even if they were 99 cents. Too many of those leeches in the pool ruins the system for everyone. I like to think of the casual and selective pirate as those who tend to keep prices low, those that just steal have no impact on prices, because half the price wouldn't tempt them to buy so why bother.

Hopefully, but seeing as this new laptop I buy, like all those before it (save those pre-386) have been, will be sold or given to firends/family, I would like it to be ready for that eventuality to if it's not at too great a cost. I'd pay $25 more for HDCP ready/capable as a precaution, and +$50 for HDMI 1.2+ support (or +$100 if they could do HDMI 1.3 with integrated audio out [ala R600 rumours]) just for the convenience. Heck I'd pay a hefty premium for DisplyPort support already. The problem is these features usually come with a ton of crap I don't want, nor have any interest in paying for, especially the crap memory and mediocre HDD options they come with. At least the AnyDVD option let's me focus more on the things I need for editing and gaming.

I know; you seem to have this recent fascination with Fuad's site and simply cut and past his words in, sofar the above id your only original contribution I've seen.

Anywoo like I said, Fuad's blurb doesn't speak to Dual-Link HDCP support, only mentions the resolutions they support under dual-link.

The G80 supports Dual-link, and supports HDCP, but does not support Dual-Link HDCP. So no HDCP with the Dual-Link useage, which was the point of my post to HY27. why you replied to me with Faud's post (which is unrelated) I don't understand. Explain if you would since you provide nothing with your cut/paste of Fuad's writing.

And the rest I wrote was in reply to the content of Fuad's post, regardless of whether you wrote it or not, in this thread, you're the one re-posting it.

Just not with Dual-Link!
HAha it sucks!

JK You always have to rain on my parade.

Ok, I assume the area you highlighted is for HeyYou27 and my benefit, but what you are missing is that the HDCP support only extends to the single link portion, regardless of whether or not they have 2 tMDS to make dual link, the HDCP is only has single link support. The chips support dual link (built into the GPU), but the HDCP is an external component in the I/O bundle or a separate crypto chip like the pics I posted.

It's like Coke, DietCoke and Coke Zero.

Coke is Dual-Link DVI, Diet Coke is HDCP, and Coke Zero is like DLDVI+HDCP.

The GF8 series has Coke & Diet Coke.
The some future products will have Coke, DietCoke and Coke Zero.

The R600 is rumoured to also carry Audio on HDMI for some models, which would be like adding Cherry Coke Zero to all that. 8)

I just hope they do that for their laptops, because that would be perfect for me.