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High End ATI Vs. 86?

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March 11, 2007 4:28:02 PM

I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I am very curious about it. Now I see that the 8600 GT and GTS are coming out next month, and this brings questions. Aside from them being dx10 compatible, do they actually perform better in dx9 games than current dx9 cards? For example, the 8600 GTS vs. an x1950 xt, which would be better in a dx9 game? Since the prices of the 8800 gts and gtx are going to drop when the r600 comes out, wouldn't it be better to just drop 50-100 more dollars on one instead of the 86 serious?

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March 11, 2007 4:40:03 PM

You are asking a question that can not be answered.(yet :wink: )
March 11, 2007 4:43:36 PM

We won't know until the card is out.
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March 11, 2007 4:45:43 PM

I know, but judging from the specs, can't you make an educated guess as to whether it'll outperform the x1950xt? Are the 86 and 88 serious based on the same architecture? If so, what's the main difference between them?
March 11, 2007 5:09:57 PM

We can't tell yet, but speculation says it'll be about as good, probably little better.
March 11, 2007 5:12:53 PM

I would love for it to match my X1900XTX in DX9, as all I want is a card that is just as good as my X1900XTX with the same amount of memory or more and has DX10 capabilities! We will see soon enough.

Best,

3Ball
March 11, 2007 6:06:56 PM

That's exactly what I was thinking. I might build a new rig later this year when prices of quad cores are more affordable, and if the 86 series is as good as the high-end ati cards out now, then I'd definitely buy one. I've never owned any nvidia cards before, so it'd be a switch for me.
a b U Graphics card
March 11, 2007 7:16:15 PM

They're gonna be better than the GF8800GTX, based on the facts we have now.

But of course the smart thing to do is wait until they actually arrive, unless of course you're simply trying to be the first to buy one at your local Compusmart.

The biggest question mark is the effect of the GF8600 series not having enough memory bandwidth for some situations The GF8 series has improved memory management over the GF7 series, but that just brings it inline with ATi's previous memory management.

So IMO expect the GF8600 to perform like an X1950XT for light loads, and an X1950GT for any heavy lifting.

Of course once again the smart thing to do is to wait and find out, heck by the time they actually come out you'll see the new architecture X2600s too, and be able to see the various differences (especially in the DX10 stuff like GeometryShader power).
March 11, 2007 8:05:48 PM

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They're gonna be better than the GF8800GTX, based on the facts we have now.
I think that was a typo? :?
March 11, 2007 8:06:41 PM

by performance that swe have seen from the 8800s i would say in terms of brute fore, the 1950 however, i would prefer the 8600, as i reccon the ompatibleity with direct x10 and upgraded hd compatiblity would amke it the more attractive choice, however it would not surprise me if it managed to slaughter 1950, in games, because of it features and floating point, but the truth is we wont no until the bunch marks come out, - 1900 series is getting quite old now rember, it would be better compared to the up coming (eventually) 2600 from ati
March 11, 2007 8:16:18 PM

Yeah GrapeApe I think you have them confused with the 89 series. Well, are the x2600 series' prices going to be affordable? In the range of 100-200 dollars? Because if they outperform the 86 series...then I'd probably go for them. The thing about this is that it's never ending, there's always something better out there for a bit more. Blahhhhhhh...

Oh well, just have to wait and see the benchmarks.
a b U Graphics card
March 11, 2007 8:42:23 PM

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They're gonna be better than the GF8800GTX, based on the facts we have now.
I think that was a typo? :?

No, that was sarcasm. :twisted:

It's doesn't convey without a smiley, but I didn't think this thread deserved a smiley.

What facts do we have :?:
a b U Graphics card
March 11, 2007 8:44:10 PM

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Yeah GrapeApe I think you have them confused with the 89 series.


No confusion here.

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Oh well, just have to wait and see the benchmarks.


Now THAT's a good idea, rather than talking about the rumour of a yet to be released product.

Oh and BTW the X2600 will cost half as much and be twice as fast, or maybe not. BUY NOW! :!:
March 11, 2007 8:49:29 PM

I think the 8600gts would be similar performance to 7950gt. Little shy of 1900xt.

Just a rough estimate following performance of the 8800gtx/gts
March 11, 2007 10:56:13 PM

yup im waiting on the vid I described and for the quad to be a decent price for the 2.13ghz 8mb cache to drop into my board and run @ 3.2ghz and then probably add 2 more gb of ram and then just hold off for alil while!

Best,

3Ball
March 12, 2007 3:28:25 AM

Yeah the 8600 series would be better that the 8800 gtx cards with strwberry sauce on them :lol: 

They will be faster than a f-14 with afterburners :lol:  whooosh

No butt seriously , 8600 is for people who want a midrange dx10 card with performance i would imagine to be equal to a 7600 gt or 7900 gs :)  .
March 12, 2007 4:59:02 AM

Even if I had the money I still won't buy the GF8600 coz i'm still on AGP :cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
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